Anti-depressants - Page 2

On November 05 2012 11:37 DaEm0niCuS wrote: ^ what he said. Pills fail, plan B kicks in. People who commit suicide are simply in a poor mental state and shitty life routine. Change it up, don't let fear decide your fate.

This arbitrary oversimplification is ridiculous and an insult to intelligence.

On November 05 2012 17:20 inc wrote: SSRI and things of the like is the worst shit against depression. ive been depressed (alot "thanks" to my severe OCD) for 10+ years SSRI has done nothing. it might help people with mild anxiety problems, no idea. Benzodiazepines helps some, but opiates is the best. But thats drugs, and beware of those. a better alternative is probably therapy and challange urself with the things that gives you anxiety, aswell as socialize as much as possible. socializing is very important for our well-being. (havnt read the whole thread so this might have been said)

You realize antidepressants are always coupled with therapy correct? If they are not, the failure rate of the drug is around 95%? Being depressed leads to behavior that fits your mood. If you begin to take SSRI's and continue to live a lifestyle that makes you depressed(overeating, not exercising, isolated, pessimistic attitude, etc.), you will continue to feel depressive feelings. Oddly enough, this can lead to an even greater depression because you may lose hope in one day escaping depression. Seeking therapy should be mandatory, but we simply can't force someone into it if they are unwilling.

On November 05 2012 11:37 DaEm0niCuS wrote: ^ what he said. Pills fail, plan B kicks in. People who commit suicide are simply in a poor mental state and shitty life routine. Change it up, don't let fear decide your fate.

Please don't listen to this guy. To sum it up that simply shows your incredible ignorance of the topic

On November 05 2012 17:34 Carthac wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 17:20 inc wrote: SSRI and things of the like is the worst shit against depression. ive been depressed (alot "thanks" to my severe OCD) for 10+ years SSRI has done nothing. it might help people with mild anxiety problems, no idea. Benzodiazepines helps some, but opiates is the best. But thats drugs, and beware of those. a better alternative is probably therapy and challange urself with the things that gives you anxiety, aswell as socialize as much as possible. socializing is very important for our well-being. (havnt read the whole thread so this might have been said) You realize antidepressants are always coupled with therapy correct? If they are not, the failure rate of the drug is around 95%? Being depressed leads to behavior that fits your mood. If you begin to take SSRI's and continue to live a lifestyle that makes you depressed(overeating, not exercising, isolated, pessimistic attitude, etc.), you will continue to feel depressive feelings. Oddly enough, this can lead to an even greater depression because you may lose hope in one day escaping depression. Seeking therapy should be mandatory, but we simply can't force someone into it if they are unwilling.   On November 05 2012 11:37 DaEm0niCuS wrote: ^ what he said. Pills fail, plan B kicks in. People who commit suicide are simply in a poor mental state and shitty life routine. Change it up, don't let fear decide your fate. Please don't listen to this guy. To sum it up that simply shows your incredible ignorance of the topic

yes my dear friend i know everything about it. ive tried all kind of therapy combined with 10+ different SSRI and other similar drugs. nothing has helped me. when i finally got Benzodiazepines i started feeling better, became more brave in challenging myself aswell as having an easier time socializing (after getting some kind of social anxiety due to the depression) SSRI is not TOTAL bullshit, it works for some, i know that. but its absolutely not the answer for even 50% of depressed people, even combined with therapy. But well i have OCD and its about the hardest thing to treat. But i prefer no SSRI (with its shitty side-effects, many sexual) and only therapy.
But im no doctor and dont know everything, but ive never met anyone that was satisfied with their SSRI use. and i know alot of people who are/have been depressed.

depression often leads to isolation, bad self-esteem, and alot of other shitty things like social anxiety. it might even start with one of these things.

best thing is challenge urself, and socialize as much as possible. that what ive learned from these 10+ years. also routines are good, atleast for treating OCD, but i bet its good for anyone.

On November 05 2012 18:00 inc wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 17:34 Carthac wrote:   On November 05 2012 17:20 inc wrote: SSRI and things of the like is the worst shit against depression. ive been depressed (alot "thanks" to my severe OCD) for 10+ years SSRI has done nothing. it might help people with mild anxiety problems, no idea. Benzodiazepines helps some, but opiates is the best. But thats drugs, and beware of those. a better alternative is probably therapy and challange urself with the things that gives you anxiety, aswell as socialize as much as possible. socializing is very important for our well-being. (havnt read the whole thread so this might have been said) You realize antidepressants are always coupled with therapy correct? If they are not, the failure rate of the drug is around 95%? Being depressed leads to behavior that fits your mood. If you begin to take SSRI's and continue to live a lifestyle that makes you depressed(overeating, not exercising, isolated, pessimistic attitude, etc.), you will continue to feel depressive feelings. Oddly enough, this can lead to an even greater depression because you may lose hope in one day escaping depression. Seeking therapy should be mandatory, but we simply can't force someone into it if they are unwilling.   On November 05 2012 11:37 DaEm0niCuS wrote: ^ what he said. Pills fail, plan B kicks in. People who commit suicide are simply in a poor mental state and shitty life routine. Change it up, don't let fear decide your fate. Please don't listen to this guy. To sum it up that simply shows your incredible ignorance of the topic yes my dear friend i know everything about it. ive tried all kind of therapy combined with 10+ different SSRI and other similar drugs. nothing has helped me. when i finally got Benzodiazepines i started feeling better, became more brave in challenging myself aswell as having an easier time socializing (after getting some kind of social anxiety due to the depression) SSRI is not TOTAL bullshit, it works for some, i know that. but its absolutely not the answer for even 50% of depressed people, even combined with therapy. But well i have OCD and its about the hardest thing to treat. But i prefer no SSRI (with its shitty side-effects, many sexual) and only therapy. But im no doctor and dont know everything, but ive never met anyone that was satisfied with their SSRI use. and i know alot of people who are/have been depressed.

You know nothing about it. Personal experience does not equate to knowledge on the topic; it equates to your experiences with it. When you started recommending benzodiazapines and opiates for depression, you went over the line into ignorance. Those are not meant for those suffering from depression. It sounds like you had anxiety issues and used them recreationally, which led to you opening up and developing friendships/relationships. Doctors recommend you to support groups and the like because it introduces you to social situations where you can develop friendships/relationships.

It sounded like you had more than depression. If that is the case, most likely SSRI's alone may not have solved the problem completely, since you were either: 1) not responding to them, or 2) not following through with seeking therapy and changing your behavior to create a more happy environment. Don't post panacea type opinions recommending those to go against SSRI's because they did not work out for your specific situation.

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On November 05 2012 18:16 Carthac wrote: Show nested quote + On November 05 2012 18:00 inc wrote:   On November 05 2012 17:34 Carthac wrote:   On November 05 2012 17:20 inc wrote: SSRI and things of the like is the worst shit against depression. ive been depressed (alot "thanks" to my severe OCD) for 10+ years SSRI has done nothing. it might help people with mild anxiety problems, no idea. Benzodiazepines helps some, but opiates is the best. But thats drugs, and beware of those. a better alternative is probably therapy and challange urself with the things that gives you anxiety, aswell as socialize as much as possible. socializing is very important for our well-being. (havnt read the whole thread so this might have been said) You realize antidepressants are always coupled with therapy correct? If they are not, the failure rate of the drug is around 95%? Being depressed leads to behavior that fits your mood. If you begin to take SSRI's and continue to live a lifestyle that makes you depressed(overeating, not exercising, isolated, pessimistic attitude, etc.), you will continue to feel depressive feelings. Oddly enough, this can lead to an even greater depression because you may lose hope in one day escaping depression. Seeking therapy should be mandatory, but we simply can't force someone into it if they are unwilling.   On November 05 2012 11:37 DaEm0niCuS wrote: ^ what he said. Pills fail, plan B kicks in. People who commit suicide are simply in a poor mental state and shitty life routine. Change it up, don't let fear decide your fate. Please don't listen to this guy. To sum it up that simply shows your incredible ignorance of the topic yes my dear friend i know everything about it. ive tried all kind of therapy combined with 10+ different SSRI and other similar drugs. nothing has helped me. when i finally got Benzodiazepines i started feeling better, became more brave in challenging myself aswell as having an easier time socializing (after getting some kind of social anxiety due to the depression) SSRI is not TOTAL bullshit, it works for some, i know that. but its absolutely not the answer for even 50% of depressed people, even combined with therapy. But well i have OCD and its about the hardest thing to treat. But i prefer no SSRI (with its shitty side-effects, many sexual) and only therapy. But im no doctor and dont know everything, but ive never met anyone that was satisfied with their SSRI use. and i know alot of people who are/have been depressed. You know nothing about it. Personal experience does not equate to knowledge on the topic; it equates to your experiences with it. When you started recommending benzodiazapines and opiates for depression, you went over the line into ignorance. Those are not meant for those suffering from depression. It sounds like you had anxiety issues and used them recreationally, which led to you opening up and developing friendships/relationships. Doctors recommend you to support groups and the like because it introduces you to social situations where you can develop friendships/relationships. It sounded like you had more than depression. If that is the case, most likely SSRI's alone may not have solved the problem completely, since you were either: 1) not responding to them, or 2) not following through with seeking therapy and changing your behavior to create a more happy environment. Don't post panacea type opinions recommending those to go against SSRI's because they did not work out for your specific situation.

indeed i speak from personal experience, and alot of my friends experiences aswell, who does not have OCD. and yes i had more then a depression.ive been locked in several times for trying to take my life. so i guess its more severe then a normal depression. none the less, the people ive got to known while being "locked in" all shared the same idea, SSRI doesnt help. but as ive said i am no doctor, and dont know everything, and i know it works for some. and yes talking about opiates was stupid, its a plain drug, while benzodiazepines is better. alot of people that needs it doesnt get it cos of the restrictive policy. perhaps you know more about SSRI then me, and i regret that i said SSRI is shit. it is for me and many others, but not for everyone. but i have alot of anxiety experience, and i do know how to get rid of it sometimes (when not to severe, then i just hide under my pillow) and that is socialize as much as possible, basically have an active life. do things that you think is fun - but maybe more importantly do things that makes you feel good in the long run, that might not be fun in the now.