Getting a gun - Page 2

Your argument about Hurricane Sandy is kind of invalid because it is not like people will start swarming your house seconds after a devastating hurricane. Instead of being a hero gunman firing at multiple zombie-like invaders coming from all directions from your watchtower you have plenty of times to 'hide your kids, hide your wife'.
Being disciplined is a state of mind rather than owning a relic that posesses supernatural behaviour correcting powers. To me atleast. If i understood this wrong please explain what being disciplined means to you.

how many people here have had people break into their house before? Buying a gun seems totally insane to me.

If you were a tired burglar sleeping on the couch watching tv and the owner walks in would you rather have a gun or not?

that being said im not the first one to mention that statistically you are more likely to hurt a loved one than save them, and everybody thinks they wont be that man.


I wonder what the numbers are but my guess is that a bat or a sword are overall better choices to keep your family alive.

what about a non lethal gun, like a taser or something. Surely those are better options.

On November 09 2012 02:03 Stroggoz wrote: how many people here have had people break into their house before? Buying a gun seems totally insane to me.

I woke up from my drunken slumber on the couch to 2 burglers in the house (truth)

By the time I had ran to the safe to grab the key for my gun cabinet, unlocked it, got the gun out, took the safety off and loaded it they had run off.

The bat is perfectly fine in my book. I have golf clubs, raquets, a snooker cue and a kitchen sink. I'm not saying i won't bite the intruders ear off, destroy his kneecaps or stab him with a pencil if he was unarmed (or getting my ass kicked). I just don't know because i haven't been in such a situation but owning a gun seems overly excessive. At least where i live. Over here it is likely to beat an intruder using cotton candy and a hex.

bat > golf club?

On November 09 2012 02:12 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2012 02:03 Stroggoz wrote: how many people here have had people break into their house before? Buying a gun seems totally insane to me. I woke up from my drunken slumber on the couch to 2 burglers in the house (truth) By the time I had slowly made my way to the safe tripped over garbage while constantly falling over and grabbed the key for my gun cabinet, somehow managed to unlock it in my drunken stupor, got the gun out, vomited, took the safety off and loaded it with blanks they had run off.

fyp

On November 09 2012 02:20 sTrAtO wrote: bat > golf club?

A bat is better to stab with because there is bend in a golfclub stick. However a golfclub generates more head speed and instead of being blunt there is a heavy funny looking metal object attached to the end and thus cause more damage. It gets cold here in the winter and if the villain is wearing warm clothing and a childs drawing under his shirt the damage you can do with a bat is severely decreased.
I'm not completely sold on either.
What would be the best possible object to choose to defend against an unwelcome intruder? For a regular person that doesn't have katanas, ninja stars or nunchuks available that is.

The thing is, in USA, someone who's willing to break into your house is likely to have a gun.

Would you rather have a bat/knife/etc. vs. someone who's willing to enter your home and steal from you and your family, and have the possibility of the burglar harming one of your family members because they have what he wants and/or wont give him what he came for?

A taser gun is nice, but, remember that a burglar will enter your home at night when you're most likely asleep or when they think you're not at home, which is usually when the lights are all out. You might get the chance to turn on a light and have a better chance at using the 1 shot that a taser gun gives you. Also, most people will be caught off guard if they actually were in the situation of them vs. someone invading their home, and so turning on the light might give the burglar enough of a scare to attack out of fear.

In the end, people in USA who are dumb enough to invade someone else's home will most likely have a weapon. It's up to you to choose how to handle yourself, but as for me, I'd rather use a weapon that gave me the best chance of protecting myself from getting harmed and getting my property stolen as well as protecting my family if I had any of my own.

p.s. This is one of many reasons why I'll be moving back to Korea after I finish school. Guns and drugs are illegal. Cops don't even carry guns, even when there are riots. The police obviously have guns, but it would take a serious issue to ever need them.

Seriously, just don't.

I definitely said "unarmed".

If a burglar catches me in my sleep i don't have anything on me but my family jewels. If i happen to be holding on to the tv remote or handmade tea cup he greatly desires, holding a gun to me, you better be damn straight i'm giving up the remote. If by any chance i happened to have a precious diamond in plain sight and i hear someone breaking in, you better be damn sure i won't go hiding it in my anus. Fuck your monetary value. I can't imagine anyone i know being stupid enough to resist giving her great grandmothers precious ring in the event of an armed robbery. What kind of twisted logic is this? A child holding onto his/her beloved teddybear stuffed with diamonds from Africa? I don't follow you at all.

If my home is being broken into by someone with a gun i'll help him carry the tv, computer and bathtub to his van.

The mentality of being prepared for the worst is so wrong for me. You can never be too safe, go read the overboard suggestions. If you live in a neighbourhood where you are in constant danger of being assaulted the thing to do is consider moving.

A lot more responses than expected, and kind of expected anti-gun stuff, but I appreciate all of the replies. I guess another reason that might be reasonable, although I'm not sure what type of weapon would be best for the situation, is that we also have coyotes that jump into people's yards and eat their pets on a regular basis. Once the wife heard that she was on board for gun ownership. Also, I live in Las Vegas...Might as well be New Orleans. If anything ever went down people would be looting and whatnot after a few days when the supermarkets are all empty and no local water supply. I know I sound like I need a tinfoil hat (enter tutz), but the fact of the matter is that I'm not really worried about someone burglarizing my home and me shooting them, so the gun will likely collect dust or be un-useable in a situation like that. My list of reasons wasn't meant to be in order of importance. In all honesty, peace of mind and insurance policy are my prime reasons for wanting a gun in the first place. I also eventually would like an AR-15 as well. The swiss have it right imo, everyone must be in the military where they are issued an assault rifle, and they keep and maintain the rifles after they finish their service and have yearly tests at shooting ranges. I wish every country required gun ownership.

On November 09 2012 00:14 byrnesam wrote: Show nested quote + On November 08 2012 23:11 TheLink wrote: Huzzah, now any burglars will have an incentive to shoot me rather than just steal my tv. Sorry I know you already know all the arguments against and I can respect that, I'm just pretty anti-gun ownership. lol @ this being the only sensible response and being from the only non 'murrrican in this blog. a fucking SHOTGUN? LOL You have a child, they top the chart for responsibility. Its safe to assume youre already a responsible adult. Why dont you make a proper emergency kit. Battery powered radio, canned food, bottles of fresh water, torches etc. I think this would be more useful in a storm than a glock or a shotgun, but im guessing most Americans will disagree with this.

I already have an emergency kit and 6-8 weeks worth of food and water, looking to store up to 1 year's worth over time. The investment is just so cheap for "never know" situations (natural disasters, financial collapse, riots, etc), this (gun) is more like an extra piece to put into the gtfo box. And to digress a little bit, it may as well be free to store food and water since after a certain amount of time you can just eat the food and replace it, so everyone in the world who can afford it should have at least 1 month of food and water, and if you don't you should buy it asap. /tutz

lol listen to yourself man, you are one of those anti-zombie basement builders

I can't say i am on board with the "i wish every country required gun ownership".
Your post is concering to say the least.

Owning a gun. Don't sell it to us or your wife, discuss it with her. I don't mean to be rude but it seems like little Timmy wants a new toy and a lolly at the supermarket.

Brb buying tons of catfood because i had forgotten all about them and making extra backups for backup tin foiled hats for their cute little heads aswell.

On November 09 2012 03:17 Baalim wrote: lol listen to yourself man, you are one of those anti-zombie basement builders

An increase in anti-zombie basement bunkers has been noted since the start of the famous tv series "Walking dead".

On November 08 2012 23:25 mnj wrote: http://www.newscientist.com/article/d...-risk-of-getting-shot-and-killed.html "Overall, Branas's study found that people who carried guns were 4.5 times as likely to be shot and 4.2 times as likely to get killed compared with unarmed citizens. When the team looked at shootings in which victims had a chance to defend themselves, their odds of getting shot were even higher. While it may be that the type of people who carry firearms are simply more likely to get shot, it may be that guns give a sense of empowerment that causes carriers to overreact in tense situations, or encourages them to visit neighbourhoods they probably shouldn't, Branas speculates. Supporters of the Second Amendment shouldn't worry that the right to bear arms is under threat, however. "We don't have an answer as to whether guns are protective or perilous," Branas says. "This study is a beginning."" even though you are prob one of the few ppl on lp i would trust with a gun

Maybe I'm really weird, but I would be perfectly fine with a higher probability of being killed, as long as there was a corresponding increase in likelihood of villain expiring in a similar fashion... Thankfully I've never lived in a country where getting a gun is even a consideration (I lived in the safest neighbourhood in all of sweden growing up, and now I live in korea where I am yet to see a place that isnt perfectly safe to walk around at alone at 3 am).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

Lol@ Canada & Switzerland having most of their guns death as suicides !

If you're new to firearms, get a .22 to practice your fundamentals before you buy a home defense pistol. (You will still want to practice with your intended weapon eventually, but it's good to learn with minimal recoil first, and .22 ammo is way cheaper than any other sort).

On another note, do you live in a house or apartment? If the latter, what are your walls made of? I've seen the results of a suicide at the building where I work... the bullet went through the guy's head and three flimsy walls, finally stopping two apartments past his. If you're surrounded by drywall, you should be using hollowpoints for home defense. A shotgun works fine too. Anything with more penetration can endanger your family or neighbors.