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KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 13:49. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 12:43 kaboom wrote:
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For someone who supposedly has been training MMA (Maybe it's some kind of aerobic-mma you do?), you seem to zone in on a point that's really irrelevant to the sport.

MMA is not boxing and modern day MMA is much different than the good ol pride days.

The fact of the matter is, pulling guard in MMA against a top fighter (Most top fighters in the sport are well rounded these days) in today's modern-mma is not a good ideal most of the time for numerous reasons which was probably already discussed in this thread (didn't read all the walls of text), if not go google around.

This of course unless you completely outclass the guy on the ground, which is coherent with the Keanu Reaver Strategy.



it's actually a mix of yoga/crossfit/mma. taught by this cute filipino chick and you get to punch and kick while listening to techno.

damn you trained @ XCMMA, so many sick fighters out of that camp in the past 3 years.....

not, rofl. - Kaboom

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - Taco 

kaboom   Canada. Nov 20 2012 13:56. Posts 261


  On November 20 2012 12:49 KeanuReaver wrote:
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it's actually a mix of yoga/crossfit/mma. taught by this cute filipino chick and you get to punch and kick while listening to techno.

damn you trained @ XCMMA, so many sick fighters out of that camp in the past 3 years.....

not, rofl. - Kaboom



Oh my bad, there is a top contender brewing out of that camp after all these years...

His name is Keanu Reever.

SHIP OUT 

KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 13:58. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 12:56 kaboom wrote:
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Oh my bad, there is a top contender brewing out of that camp after all these years...

His name is Keanu Reever.



yeah making my debut in a year or two, prob will just focus on my takedown and then take silva down and take a quick 5 minute nap. easy ship on the mw championship imo

damn you trained @ XCMMA, so many sick fighters out of that camp in the past 3 years.....

not, rofl. - Kaboom

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - Taco 

kaboom   Canada. Nov 20 2012 14:09. Posts 261


  On November 20 2012 12:58 KeanuReaver wrote:
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yeah making my debut in a year or two, prob will just focus on my takedown and then take silva down and take a quick 5 minute nap. easy ship on the mw championship imo

damn you trained @ XCMMA, so many sick fighters out of that camp in the past 3 years.....

not, rofl. - Kaboom



First you argue about the guard not being inferior, then you move on to boxers hitting harder than mma fighters, and now this.

They are a respectable MMA camp and perhaps with the right talent down the road, they have the knowledge to build a top contender in accordance to UFC regulations.

But has there been any top contenders out of that camp in the last 3 years? no.

SHIP OUT 

taco   Iceland. Nov 20 2012 14:37. Posts 1793


  On November 20 2012 12:13 KeanuReaver wrote:
MMA fighters regularly punch and kick at 1000-2500PSI - Taco and Kaboom



So, ignoring the fact that you just arbitrarily added the word "regularly" in place of "can", do you ever not-straw man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KftA7Top_j0#t=73s

Apply this to the lower thigh and you have yourself >1000 PSI.

What they do in fights is another story.

But yeah, having a discussion with you seems to be counter-productive.

But just because this image can never be posted too often:



How many cm^2 do you estimate touched his jaw there? 4? 5?
So you think the kick delivered less than 800lbs of force or did you just pour irony all over yourself in that signature?

 Last edit: 20/11/2012 14:46

KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 14:47. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 13:09 kaboom wrote:
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First you argue about the guard not being inferior, then you move on to boxers hitting harder than mma fighters, and now this.

They are a respectable MMA camp and perhaps with the right talent down the road, they have the knowledge to build a top contender in accordance to UFC regulations.

But has there been any top contenders out of that camp in the last 3 years? no.



yeah definitely, past few years they haven't had any fighters compete for championships and top contenders and champions don't visit all the time to train with them.

honestly man, the PSI comment is really funny. you gotta look at it from my perspective to really find the humor though.

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - Taco 

KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 14:56. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 13:37 taco wrote:
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So, ignoring the fact that you just arbitrarily added the word "regularly" in place of "can", do you ever not-straw man?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KftA7Top_j0#t=73s

Apply this to the lower thigh and you have yourself >1000 PSI.

What they do in fights is another story.

But yeah, having a discussion with you seems to be counter-productive.

But just because this image can never be posted too often:



How many cm^2 do you estimate touched his jaw there? 4? 5?
So you think the kick delivered less than 800lbs of force or did you just pour irony all over yourself in that signature?


This wasn't a discussion, i'd have loved to have a discussion on the validity of an aggressive guard in mma, but you aren't the person to do so with. arguing over semantics of "can" vs "regularly" is stupid, you don't argue your point by using outliers, that's akin to a fish saying you should always play 27o because it can hit a full house. i would love for you to respond to my breakdown of the argument, can you salvage any sort of discussion from it?

as for the video, it simply proves my point. the statement is becoming less hilarious and more sad now. just to fully understand whats happening and because im so bad at understanding things, what was the PSI of shogun's leg kick?

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - Taco 

taco   Iceland. Nov 20 2012 15:06. Posts 1793


  On November 20 2012 13:56 KeanuReaver wrote:
arguing over semantics of "can" vs "regularly" is stupid



Semantics? What people actually say in a discussion is semantics to you? Explains all your straw mans.

Of course fighters don't regularly kick in the upper bounds of their abilities, if they did a lot more fights would end in KOs and TKOs.


  On November 20 2012 13:56 KeanuReaver wrote:
just to fully understand whats happening and because im so bad at understanding things, what was the PSI of shogun's leg kick?



If we were to assume it was evenly distributed across the roughly 6 square inches he hit (the force didn't though)
and that their force calculations were accurate I'd say roughly 455 PSI.

Now let's say that kick would have been delivered to the lower thigh of someone, in which case it wouldn't have been distributed across roughly 6 square inches at all
and we're looking at the low-mid 1000s in PSI.

Also: Just ignore the Anderson Silva kick. It doesn't fit your ironic mockery.

Don't watch this either.

 Last edit: 20/11/2012 15:07

KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 15:30. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 14:06 taco wrote:
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Semantics? What people actually say in a discussion is semantics to you? Explains all your straw mans.

Of course fighters don't regularly kick in the upper bounds of their abilities, if they did a lot more fights would end in KOs and TKOs.


  On November 20 2012 13:56 KeanuReaver wrote:
just to fully understand whats happening and because im so bad at understanding things, what was the PSI of shogun's leg kick?



If we were to assume it was evenly distributed across the roughly 6 square inches he hit (the force didn't though)
and that their force calculations were accurate I'd say roughly 455 PSI.

Now let's say that kick would have been delivered to the lower thigh of someone, in which case it wouldn't have been distributed across roughly 6 square inches at all
and we're looking at the low-mid 1000s in PSI.

Also: Just ignore the Anderson Silva kick. It doesn't fit your ironic mockery.

Don't watch this either.


using. outliers. to. support. your. argument. is. fucking. retarded.
do you understand why? do you get the analogy of arguing for 27o because it can hit a boat? forgive me when the only actual numbers you've used for your argument just happen to be outliers and i assumed you meant it for a regular situation, much less a ground game situation which was the context of the argument of the first place.

in any case, i don't think you know what PSI are and i think you just looked it up to avoid looking like a fool. more so, i still don't think you know what square inches are if you think a leg kick will land on an area of 2 fucking square inches for you to come up with your low-mid 1000s PSI comment

but i digress, lets analyze that video. you took a video of maybe the most forceful strike in mma, thrown by one of the best leg kickers the sport has ever known against a stationary heavy bag when his only concern was literally getting absolutely as much force as possible into the strike. On top of that, you threw out an awful estimation at the surface area of the impact (again, don't think you know what a square inch actually is) and you came up with a PSI of...less than half of the bottom of the range you gave me

i dunno, whatever. i've tried to make comparisons, i've used examples of other sports, of current mma fighters, i've broken down the grappling game and analyzed the pieces as best as i can. you don't even want to respond to my breakdown of the argument, i've yet to actually hear any evidence for why a professional athlete grappling in mma can't last a round with an aggressive guard if they're able to stay calm and technically sound while being hit. i don't know what else to say. you've accused me of a strawman because of a single word while you're using nothing but hyperbole and outliers to argue your point. mma fighters aren't super heroes, mma grappling isn't an olympic 100m dash, a purple belt doesn't stop a world class black belt because he's sweaty. this isn't realistic.

look, find me a strike that can exert 2500PSI of pressure. that would be...fucking amazing really.

edit: sorry, the silva kick. I don't know how much pressure was exerted, i don't know how much force was in the kick. if i had to guess, he probably exerted somewhere in the neighborhood of 500-700lb of force (a typical power punch in a fight is going to be similar, it takes people like mike tyson to break 1500lb+ of force) with an impact area of 1 1/2-2 square inches (which is absolutely tiny). so somewhere in neighborhood of 250-500PSI, which is a whole lot and is an excellent mathematical representation on why a seemingly innocuous kick made vitor look like a fucking sniper took him out.

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - TacoLast edit: 20/11/2012 15:42

taco   Iceland. Nov 20 2012 15:57. Posts 1793


  On November 20 2012 14:30 KeanuReaver wrote:
using. outliers. to. support. your. argument. is. fucking. retarded.



You mean like that one time at band camp when you suggested the best striker in the world not save his
energy for the best striking in the world but to use it (arguably) unwisely?

And even if I had been off by about 3 orders of magnitude and not 20% I'd still be leagues more accurate than your estimate that Anderson is
top 10 BJJ worldwide but do you see me bitching about that nonsense for more than one sentence?


KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 16:15. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 14:57 taco wrote:
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You mean like that one time at band camp when you suggested the best striker in the world not save his
energy for the best striking in the world but to use it (arguably) unwisely?

And even if I had been off by about 3 orders of magnitude and not 20% I'd still be leagues more accurate than your estimate that Anderson is
top 10 BJJ worldwide but do you see me bitching about that nonsense for more than one sentence?


...so what you're saying is you've not actually been reading anything i've posted. my entire argument is that i don't think anderson's ground game is very good at all, that i've heard people describe him as top 10 world wide or world class or even "a good black belt" and that realistically i think he's only an average-at-best black belt. Which is why i think he SHOULD stall people out because he isn't good enough to do what guys like maia/aoki/diaz/werdum etc.. etc. can all do. if he was any good...i mean great in relation to his competition as so many have suggested, he shouldn't look to just stall out, he shouldn't surrender rounds unless he had to. i think he DOES have to, because i DON'T think his ground game is very good.

go find me that magical 2500PSI strike taco. or, respond to my breakdown of the argument without your trolly mockery bullshit that you think is so cute.

or, just fuck off because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about what so ever. you don't know what PSI is, you don't know what a square inch is, you don't know what good grips are in submission grappling, you apparently don't even know that nogi grappling is a thing, you don't know what striking does to a trained professional fighter, you don't know that there are techniques to limit the damage of a strike when it lands, you don't know that a properly trained professional fighter doesn't actually gas out very much from getting punched without getting hurt, you don't even know what i've typed up until now.

your combination of mindblowing ignorance, bravado, and fanciful elevating of the "mma fighter" to literally mythical proportions is...just astounding. i've tried as hard as i can to steer this argument where i wanted it to go. the validity of an active and aggressive guard in the UFC is actually a really cool subject and would be fun to debate but you...man. well, i'll be wearing my sig for a while, just as a reminder if you ever post anything ever, i and hopefully everyone else will know you're probably just talking out of your ass again.

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - TacoLast edit: 20/11/2012 16:16

kaboom   Canada. Nov 20 2012 16:36. Posts 261

ok boys.

round 1: taco (guard discussion)

round 2: keavnu (psi discussion)

now let's move on, or start a new thread called taco vs keanu.

edit: Silva needs to fight Jon Jones, not gsp. I think Diaz vs Hendricks, then winner vs gsp is the smart move for gsp here.

SHIP OUTLast edit: 20/11/2012 16:38

KeanuReaver   United States. Nov 20 2012 16:42. Posts 2022


  On November 20 2012 15:36 kaboom wrote:
ok boys.

round 1: taco (guard discussion)

round 2: keavnu (psi discussion)

now let's move on, or start a new thread called taco vs keanu.

edit: Silva needs to fight Jon Jones, not gsp. I think Diaz vs Hendricks, then winner vs gsp is the smart move for gsp here.



nope, too tired and no longer care, will take the draw
gg noobs no re PEACE

and the endurance required for MMA, which has actions like punching and kicking bone and muscle with 1000-2500 PSI. - Taco 

taco   Iceland. Nov 20 2012 16:46. Posts 1793


  On November 20 2012 15:15 KeanuReaver wrote:
go find me that magical 2500PSI strike taco. or, respond to my breakdown of the argument without your trolly mockery bullshit that you think is so cute.



The upper limit in my not-even-napkin math estimation turned out to be unrealistic? Let me call the police.


  On November 20 2012 15:15 KeanuReaver wrote:
you don't know what PSI is, you don't know what a square inch is



  On November 20 2012 15:15 KeanuReaver wrote:
you don't know what good grips are in submission grappling, you apparently don't even know that nogi grappling is a thing,



What and what? And: What and what? I've practiced no-gi for years, far longer than I've done Gi, - and even with my Ph.D. in guessing I
must say I can't even guess how you arrived at any of those conclusions.


  On November 20 2012 15:15 KeanuReaver wrote:
you don't know that there are techniques to limit the damage of a strike when it lands,



Once again: Is this a straw man, are you hallucinating, did you read something I said wrong (if so please quote it) or are you just misremembering? (The same for the 4 above too)

To concisely restate my view:
Trying to strike from the bottom wears out your arms. If you are the greatest at stand-up striking and excellent at nullifying others' guard strikes
you should not wear out your arms and exhaust yourself (needlessly) from the guard. Doing so would be a poor strategy.


Daut    United States. Nov 20 2012 20:13. Posts 8955

taco has an incredible ability to draw people into arguments over the tiniest most nonsensical details of an argument that are completely meaningless. seriously, you are a smart guy, use your intellect for something positive instead of always bringing things down

NewbSaibot: 18 TIMES THE SPEED OF LIGHT. Because FUCK YOU, Daut 

K40Cheddar   United States. Nov 20 2012 20:59. Posts 2202



trolls gonna troll

GG 

PuertoRican   United States. Nov 20 2012 21:32. Posts 13123

Rekrul is a newb 

ERASA   Germany. Nov 20 2012 23:49. Posts 2440

After reading all that i only have one question will Misha Tate pics be posted or not?


MiPwnYa    Brasil. Nov 21 2012 07:27. Posts 5230

just put taco in the cage already


 
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