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On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy

what i have to write about in my own personal blog has nothing to do w/ anything said or done in a public forum. my blog is my place to write whatever i want, if you can't deal with that, i suggest you don't read it. no one was forcing you to in the first place.

i dont even know why i bother w/ a lot of you guys who randomly take shots at me. i think ill probably cut down on my posting here, i provide too much value to be bothered w/ all the negativity that comes my way...especially by a bunch of assholes who provide little to no value.

the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself.

i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit.

go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did.

This is ok but I swear there used to be a better class of drama. We even had a real life hostage situation!

sell me some heroine

On November 27 2012 04:55 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy what i have to write about in my own personal blog has nothing to do w/ anything said or done in a public forum. my blog is my place to write whatever i want, if you can't deal with that, i suggest you don't read it. no one was forcing you to in the first place. i dont even know why i bother w/ a lot of you guys who randomly take shots at me. i think ill probably cut down on my posting here, i provide too much value to be bothered w/ all the negativity that comes my way...especially by a bunch of assholes who provide little to no value. the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself. i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit. go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did.

Oh the hypocrisy. Such delusion. Unbelievable how people like you are able to cope with your own character but then again; you probably don't even realise it . I honestly pity you.

On November 27 2012 12:51 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 04:55 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy what i have to write about in my own personal blog has nothing to do w/ anything said or done in a public forum. my blog is my place to write whatever i want, if you can't deal with that, i suggest you don't read it. no one was forcing you to in the first place. i dont even know why i bother w/ a lot of you guys who randomly take shots at me. i think ill probably cut down on my posting here, i provide too much value to be bothered w/ all the negativity that comes my way...especially by a bunch of assholes who provide little to no value. the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself. i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit. go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did. Oh the hypocrisy. Such delusion. Unbelievable how people like you are able to cope with your own character but then again; you probably don't even realise it . I honestly pity you.

it's not his fault. it's like being color blind. he just can't comprehend/see the color green. Neither can wobbly. That's why I don't really think either are bad people. Just ironically delusional, for being so gifted in poker and other disciplines.

It actually makes me wonder if I have something inherently wrong too. Maybe there's a certain character flaw that I'm also unable to see.

On November 27 2012 04:55 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy what i have to write about in my own personal blog has nothing to do w/ anything said or done in a public forum. my blog is my place to write whatever i want, if you can't deal with that, i suggest you don't read it. no one was forcing you to in the first place. i dont even know why i bother w/ a lot of you guys who randomly take shots at me. i think ill probably cut down on my posting here, i provide too much value to be bothered w/ all the negativity that comes my way...especially by a bunch of assholes who provide little to no value. the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself. i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit. go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did.

class is a character trait, i'm not sure why you think that what you post in your blog has no bearing on it just because it's your prerogative. if anything, the way you act with fewer rules encumbering you is a truer reflection of your class. that's like saying "i'm not racist, i only spit on black people during off-hours".

btw i illuminate your character flaws, which should give you at least a slight chance at becoming a better person someday, how can you call that "little to no value"?! just imagine what it would be like to not be such a downy.

On November 27 2012 04:55 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself. i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit. go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did.

Actually I half agree/half disagree here for a couple reasons. I do think that poker forums inevitably will have a handful of bigredhosses who are going to do the above in bold, and I also believe that you say things to instigate arguments. A competitive spirit is something that comes hand in hand with trying to be the best poker player you can be but you just can't help yourself sometimes from what I can see which explains why you target specific people with insults and you leave others alone. It would do you a great service to just drop the entire charade and focus on your life and be happy, but I know it's too hard to do that when you're marshall28. Not that I am saying you are a bad person or whatever else you want to insert there but there is an impulse inside you that just can't let certain things go. I think if you solve this about yourself you will become a much happier person while continuing to succeed in poker.

i think he would fail at poker if that change occured

um.. i'll buy all my own action at 800:1000

aight wobbly, in case the match goes down, my $2400 to your $3k ?

On November 27 2012 19:31 RaiNKhAN wrote: Show nested quote + On November 27 2012 04:55 MARSHALL28 wrote:   On November 25 2012 20:49 bigredhoss wrote:   On November 25 2012 19:28 MARSHALL28 wrote: i consider the shit quentin pulled a few posts ago to be pretty low class and anybody who would laugh about that post or give him some kind of props for it obviously is going to lose quite a bit of respect from me--i obviously dont mean to direct this post specifically at u tho, so dont take it that way. http://www.liquidpoker.net/blog/viewblog.php?id=1059150 marshall likes to keep things classy the pathetic thing is, most of you clowns put yourselves on such high pedestals like you are such exemplary honorable human beings and have some kind of outstanding social acumen. u say all this while you are sitting behind your computer screen posting negative comments about somebody you don't like from the internet on a computer forum... probably in your room, by yourself. i have like 1000 posts on this site over the last 6 years ... i challenge you to go back and find one where i posted negatively on a public forum about anyone without being provoked. u wont find any cuz i don't waste my time with that kind of bullshit. go back and read the posts in this thread, i never even attacked anyone. WOBBLY attacked me. otherwise this thread wouldnt have gone down the way it did. bigredhosses who are going to do the above in bold

twisted,

if u think that, you clearly don't have all the facts. maybe you shouldn't make judgments and be so hasty to jump to conclusions about what might or might not be going on just because you have some preconceived notions that make you biased against me.

what's painstakingly obvious to me is that if you really felt pity for me you would never write a post so emotionally charged in attempt to both paint me in a negative light and make me feel bad about myself. in the context u used it, your aim is to insult me... the only reason i could ever see why someone would insult someone they pity is if they are an incredibly insensitive and vindictive person. do you pity people w/ mental retardation? if so, i assume that means you will belittle them and attempt to make them feel insufficient and bad about themselves. pretty low.

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...so what, i gloated a bit. do you have any idea what the guy put me through -- for no reason whatsoever besides the fact that he could?

hoss,

lol ... how can i even respond to someone like you. your analogies make no sense, it seems you are making things up as you type. backwards rationalizing the feeling you probably are experiencing which is just jealousy (understandably so, given you sit around and judge people all day and don't have the stones to actually say what you truly think or feel, or the CLASS to bite your tongue when it's not your place to speak) and then trying to tell me i should change. in case u didnt notice, im pretty friggin pleased with myself ... i may be a narcissist, but i would never be so pompous to presume that my value was so much significantly higher than everyone else's as to suggest i knew what was best for them. it takes a pretty arrogant and classless person to do something like that. your arrogance is even more disgusting than wobblys since his denial is is only in relation to his skills at poker while yours has to do with your value as a human being. id much rather be in wobblys shoes, losing money, doubting myself, and being hated by a lot of people than to be as blind to the real world as you are.

u really don't deserve any replies from me at all so this will be the last time i respond to anything u say.

khan,

im a certain way for a reason, and im proud of it. most people go through their lives eating shit from others and getting walked on and disrespected, they don't stick up for themselves, and they will sacrifice all their beliefs for a little relief from their emotional pain. being vigilant in these areas and not succumbing to these common traps is the one thing that has always empowered me--i had lost that for many years, which is a big reason why i had so many emotional blog posts--im starting to feel it coming back though which has been great. do i have a penchant to instigate certain people at certain times? absolutely. do i sometimes take things a bit too far and get carried away? ya it's gonna happen from time to time. those things r part of my personality. regardless, you can always count on me for the truth, especially if it's ugly, and in spite of the fact that i will retain a lot of negative attention from indignant assholes like hoss and twisted. i am strong though so i can brush stuff like that off pretty easily. the truth is they are blinded.

(to be clear, the one common thing about each of them is that they are beta--trying to get everybody else to step into line with them because the truth is that they are sheep--they never step up to the plate, or if they do, they fail and never try again. they never take/demand what they want, so because they are not able to do those things, they are very quick to try to attack those of us who do. their true intent is to try to make my life as miserable as theirs'.)

i target certain people and avoid others because i can't help myself? cmon dude ... if i couldn't help myself i would attack everyone for random reasons and i would be just like wobbly--probably losing money and playing above my head not knowing what im doing challenging people better than me, so on and so forth. i have never thrown out a challenge like he did and then after the challenge was accepted to just decide to then change my mind. if i did, id be embarrassed for myself and would feel pretty pathetic. he will never have any respect from me and i will never trust him because of that. if most people had my resolve and my ability to cut through bullshit, we would be able to keep those whose word is worth nothing, like him, out of poker for good.

On November 28 2012 07:13 MARSHALL28 wrote: preconceived notions incredibly insensitive and vindictive person. do you pity people w/ mental retardation? if so, i assume that means you will belittle them and attempt to make them feel insufficient and bad about themselves. pretty low.

LOL

thanks

wtf this drama is not even interesting.

In the end this is a pokerforum and both marshall and wobbly is top1% on this site and if they want to say cocky stuff who the fuck cares.

Atleast an interesting HU match came out of this GL to both of u :D

On November 28 2012 07:13 MARSHALL28 wrote: im a certain way for a reason, and im proud of it.

Let's just hope for you that you don't ever come to realize that this is a delusion and that this reason has nothing to do with something under your control, i.e. you have nothing to be proud of, since your character was inherited, not self-generated, and that all of your actions were predetermined and you had no free will to choose otherwise. That would be quite the shocking fact.

Also, you say to Twisted: "you clearly don't have all the facts. maybe you shouldn't make judgments and be so hasty to jump to conclusions about what might or might not be going on just because you have some preconceived notions that make you biased against me. "

You should apply this to yourself as well. You make big posts and make claims like "they are just trying to make my life as miserable as theirs" that contain a bunch of assumptions/prejudices... things that you can't possibly know about. Maybe their lives and their values suit their own character and it doesn't make their lives miserable to be "beta" and to not have the urges you have to take and be accepted and seen as powerful by others etc.

If you think that only they are blind then you are for sure guaranteeing your own blindness since you won't even consider the possibility that you might be too. Personally, I have the conviction that we are all blind, some more than others, and that we never get to see what's really going on inside of ourselves. But we can see through others much better than through ourselves and it's by seeing through others that we get to know ourselves better.

On November 28 2012 07:49 Loco wrote: [QUOTE]On November 28 2012 07:13 MARSHALL28 wrote: im a certain way for a reason, and im proud of it.

On November 28 2012 07:49 Loco wrote: Let's just hope for you that you don't ever come to realize that this is a delusion and that this reason has nothing to do with something under your control, i.e. you have nothing to be proud of, since your character was inherited, not self-generated, and that all of your actions were predetermined and you had no free will to choose otherwise. That would be quite the shocking fact.

ok so lets just assume we can't really ever know anything at all. which is a pretty reasonable assumption if u want to get all philosophical ... then how can we actually know if we have free will? ... your argument here, or whatever it is, is completely circular and also presupposes that our environment has no affect on the types of people we are which is pretty self evidently false. im really not interested in getting into philosophical debates that will never even purport to prove anything.

On November 28 2012 07:49 Loco wrote: Also, you say to Twisted: "you clearly don't have all the facts. maybe you shouldn't make judgments and be so hasty to jump to conclusions about what might or might not be going on just because you have some preconceived notions that make you biased against me. " You should apply this to yourself as well. You make big posts and make claims like "they are just trying to make my life as miserable as theirs" that contain a bunch of assumptions/prejudices... things that you can't possibly know about. Maybe their lives and their values suit their own character and it doesn't make their lives miserable to be "beta" and to not have the urges you have to accumulate wealth and be accepted and seen as powerful etc.

yes my post did contain some basic assumptions, but they were all logical deductions based on the actual words they wrote. could my interpretation potentially be wrong? obviously that's always a possibility. im pretty confident in my assessment tho, it makes sense.

additionally, i did not come in here and try to impose my will on them--something they have done to me. i don't really think the same standards should be held to me in this instance. i never had a problem with those guys and i wouldn't have said a word to them had they not spoken up the way they did.

whether their lives and their values suit their character as "beta", it doesn't change the fact that they have serious issues with certain attitudes. im sure they struggle internally often. i would know ... i've been through it a lot in the past.

--lastly, if im going to be accepted, it's always going to be on my own terms and never anyone elses. ill go my own way 100 times out of 100 rather than compromise my beliefs due to the will of others or to avoid being outcast. i don't have urges to accumulate wealth, im not a greedy person at all. i havent even played poker in 2 weeks as i've made more than enough already this month. --u too seem to make these same assumptions about people without all the information. how about we just all admit there are faults in every one of us...itd make things a lot simpler.

On November 28 2012 08:11 MARSHALL28 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2012 07:49 Loco wrote: [QUOTE]On November 28 2012 07:13 MARSHALL28 wrote: im a certain way for a reason, and im proud of it.   On November 28 2012 07:49 Loco wrote: Let's just hope for you that you don't ever come to realize that this is a delusion and that this reason has nothing to do with something under your control, i.e. you have nothing to be proud of, since your character was inherited, not self-generated, and that all of your actions were predetermined and you had no free will to choose otherwise. That would be quite the shocking fact. ok so lets just assume we can't really ever know anything at all. which is a pretty reasonable assumption if u want to get all philosophical ... then how can we actually know if we have free will? ... your argument here, or whatever it is, is completely circular and also presupposes that our environment has no affect on the types of people we are which is pretty self evidently false. im really not interested in getting into philosophical debates that will never even purport to prove anything.

I can prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that you do not have free will, in the sense that most people think about it, i.e. making choices consciously and being responsible for who we are and what we do. But I don't think you'd want to realize this, would you? So you should probably turn me down on that, unless you want to deal with the cognitive dissonance that would ensue.

And we can know certain things' relationships to other things... it wouldn't be true to say we can't know anything at all.

yes my post did contain some basic assumptions, but they were all logical deductions based on the actual words they wrote. could my interpretation potentially be wrong? obviously that's always a possibility. im pretty confident in my assessment tho, it makes sense.

It makes sense to you. Just like their own assumptions made sense to them and were logical deductions from your words. It doesn't protect you against bias. The only protection against bias is to be completely detached, completely objective about things, which is done in philosophical and scientific investigation, and rarely in discussions which tend to be more emotional than otherwise.

whether their lives and their values suit their character as "beta", it doesn't change the fact that they have serious issues with certain attitudes. im sure they struggle internally often. i would know ... i've been through it a lot in the past.

You can know what you've gone through, not what they've gone through. Major difference. If they have different characters from yours then you cannot logically assume to know their intents and the state of their lives (being miserable) by projecting what yours would be like if you held their views and opinions with your own character, which is what you're actually doing and it is pretty easy to observe.

--lastly, if im going to be accepted, it's always going to be on my own terms and never anyone elses. ill go my own way 100 times out of 100 rather than compromise my beliefs due to the will of others or to avoid being outcast. i don't have urges to accumulate wealth, im not a greedy person at all. i havent even played poker in 2 weeks as i've made more than enough already this month. --u too seem to make these same assumptions about people without all the information. how about we just all admit there are faults in every one of us...itd make things a lot simpler.

I've edited that part about wealth accumulation but fine, whatever: just because you don't currently have the desire to play doesn't mean that the urge of gain isn't there ever. It just means you have competing desires and that right now the one to relax and do other things is winning. If you're a poker player then the urge will come back, no two ways about it. I wouldn't think you'd have a problem with this assessment and I removed it because it's pointless to even mention on a poker forum.

As for the ending of your post, I have no problems admitting that; I've admitted I'm sure we are all blind, to different degrees.

On November 28 2012 08:35 Loco wrote: I can prove to you beyond the shadow of a doubt that you do not have free will, in the sense that most people think about it, i.e. making choices consciously and being responsible for who we are and what we do. But I don't think you'd want to realize this, would you? So you should probably turn me down on that, unless you want to deal with the cognitive dissonance that would ensue. And we can know certain things' relationships to other things... it wouldn't be true to say we can't know anything at all.

there u go again assuming i have some sort of fear of the truth? do u even read what i write? im always searching for the truth and im always changing as a person based on what i discover. i don't fear what empowers me.

i believe it was descartes' argument from dreams that posed the problem of what we can actually know. 'i think therefore i am' came about because of that i think. there are two schools of thought on this, the rationalist and the empiricist. i am an empiricist because if i cannot even trust my senses, i might as well be going through the world never learning anything. i need something to base everything else off of. it seems u might not have that issue. u might think this is a flaw in my own personal philosophy. i don't know. i'm not sure i can know. what i am damn sure of though is that i have a choice to be proud of who i am or to hate who i am, and the times ive chosen to hate myself are the times i've gone through the most turmoil and worst times of my life. if it's as simple as choosing 1 or the other, which it seems to be ... well ... obviously ill choose the former.

i have a 4 year degree in philosophy ... all of the major thinkers have tackled this fundamental question and never before has there been a definitive right answer yet you are claiming to have it? ... im aware that during brain surgery a surgeon can activate movement in certain limbs based on sending an electrical charge to certain parts of the brain. this was a big discovery but i'm not sure it *proves* a lack of free will. me .. i think it's one of those yin and yang type things. both can be true based on how the observer frames the situation .... but go ahead, i challenge u to prove it if u think u can.

It makes sense to you. Just like their own assumptions made sense to them and were logical deductions from your words. It doesn't protect you against bias. The only protection against bias is to be completely detached, completely objective about things, which is done in philosophical and scientific investigation, and rarely in discussions which tend to be more emotional than otherwise.

yes i absolutely agree, none of us are really ever free from some form of bias. the difference is, it was never my intent to make any negative comments towards them while they went out of their way to do so about me. im done talking about this ..it is exhausted.

You can know what you've gone through, not what they've gone through. Major difference. If they have different characters from yours then you cannot logically assume to know their intents and the state of their lives (being miserable) by projecting what yours would be like if you held their views and opinions with your own character, which is what you're actually doing and it is pretty easy to observe.

actually i can know because regardless what my character was, if i were to assume their views, i would constantly need to suppress myself, i would have to compromise very frequently and i would rarely get what i wanted. if my goal in life was to never cause any problems and to just happily fit in with no regard for my own needs--ya then that character would be congruent with those views. do you honestly think anyone really truly *wants* to be like that deep down? if u were like that, don't u think u would have a subconscious hatred of yourself for not having enough self respect? i know i would ...cuz like i said, i was there for quite a while.

it seems pretty self evident to me that if u r actively looking to bash people on the internet who have never said anything negative about or towards you, you are likely a negative person who endeavors to hinder other peoples' enjoyment and who feeds off of creating misery in other people. this is not the way normal people act in society. if anyone wants to disagree with this i'd love to hear an argument for a well-adjusted, content person who would ever do this out of anything other than complete personal amusement. ...i may strongly dislike someone like byrnesam, and he too gets spiteful at times and he too takes things too far at times, but he obviously gets a lot of self amusement out of what he does so it's just different than someone who does it from a place of complete spite and hate.

I've edited that part about wealth accumulation but fine, whatever: just because you don't currently have the desire to play doesn't mean that the urge of gain isn't there ever. It just means you have competing desires and that right now the one to relax and do other things is winning. If you're a poker player then the urge will come back, no two ways about it. I wouldn't think you'd have a problem with this assessment and I removed it because it's pointless to even mention on a poker forum. As for the ending of your post, I have no problems admitting that; I've admitted I'm sure we are all blind, to different degrees.

now it's like u r just arguing for the sake of arguing. i didn't have a problem with that, and i didn't have a problem with anything u said and obviously i am responding far different to u despite u being someone who took a shot at me previously.. you approached this situation differently this time, so i will discuss things in a respectful manner.