thewh00sel United States. Nov 18 2012 12:20. Posts 2734
In MTT's I'm still on my worst downswing I guess. Down 160k since my FT @ WSOP 2010. Broke even at live cash for like 1.5 yrs @ 2010-2011. Luckily I was/am backed for MTT's since I started losing in them. Convenient I suppose, still annoying. Beating live poker now though. So total non-money making time period of around 2 years. Rebuilding going well for now but you never know when the downswing fairy will get you.
Similar to what Andrew said, you don't really know how good you can be at finding a way to win or make money until you have one month of living expenses in the bank and 4 buy-ins at your normal stake.
A government is the most dangerous threat to man’s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims. - Ayn Rand
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LemOn[5thF] Czech Republic. Nov 18 2012 12:54. Posts 15163
Taking a look at the Pokerstars lobby its hard to not agree with wobbly...
20 people open 4 tables each every limit
And every game running has 10-30 people on waiting list
The bumhunters are trying really anything they can to ruin the games for everyone.... And Pokerstars allows it : (
:D
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wobbly_au Australia. Nov 18 2012 12:59. Posts 6540
On November 18 2012 11:54 LemOn[5thF] wrote:
wobbly quitting what? oO
no point in keeping on after a whole year of break even.
The Last Laugh.
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wobbly_au Australia. Nov 18 2012 13:01. Posts 6540
On November 18 2012 11:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Taking a look at the Pokerstars lobby its hard to not agree with wobbly...
20 people open 4 tables each every limit
And every game running has 10-30 people on waiting list
The bumhunters are trying really anything they can to ruin the games for everyone.... And Pokerstars allows it : (
this~ and also people who play me are pretty much similar skill level to me all the regs who dont play me are just bumhunters who get in like 100k hands a year, and even if a big winrate that is not going to be profitable or stable enough an income for me.
what wobbly says is more or less what i wouldve expected to happen to me by now had i stuck to nlhe. in his defence i don't think it's him that's washed up but the way in which he tries to play poker. ofcourse hardly anyone can show a decent 1.5m+ hand graph of just this year because masstabling nlhe online is yesteryear's gravy train and the cheese has long gone. adapt or die (props to wobbly for adapting)
On November 18 2012 11:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Taking a look at the Pokerstars lobby its hard to not agree with wobbly...
20 people open 4 tables each every limit
And every game running has 10-30 people on waiting list
The bumhunters are trying really anything they can to ruin the games for everyone.... And Pokerstars allows it : (
damn those pesky bumhunters for acting in a way that they think serves their own best interest! i guess your arguments against it are of the 'Tragedy of the Commons' sort, but in some part you have to also admit that you just want perceived lesser skilled regs to give you (perceived superior regs) action.
So what's the play, are you going to whinge about the status quo, or are you going to accept that which you can't control, and instead adapt to the situation? If so, do you know how?
On November 18 2012 11:59 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Taking a look at the Pokerstars lobby its hard to not agree with wobbly...
20 people open 4 tables each every limit
And every game running has 10-30 people on waiting list
The bumhunters are trying really anything they can to ruin the games for everyone.... And Pokerstars allows it : (
damn those pesky bumhunters for acting in a way that they think serves their own best interest! i guess your arguments against it are of the 'Tragedy of the Commons' sort, but in some part you have to also admit that you just want perceived lesser skilled regs to give you (perceived superior regs) action.
So what's the play, are you going to whinge about the status quo, or are you going to accept that which you can't control, and instead adapt to the situation? If so, do you know how?
Well what I used to do back on Everest when the lobby started to look like the stars lobby was to sit down at every table and take note of which players sat out and then constantly bother those regs until they left the network (which they usually did after 1-2-3 months). And if they didnt leave the network our table would usually fill up first and i would be sit in when the fish
sits in for a small 1-50 hands advantage there (depending on when the other guy/other regs started to notice)
I think I kept the everest games much better by doing that, and im suprised that more people are not doing it
I did get ton of threats and complains thou O_O
My other adjustment was to terrorize the Everest support every single day until they moved the Headsup tables to another lobby - which right away made the games much much better
:D
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wobbly_au Australia. Nov 18 2012 14:08. Posts 6540
On November 18 2012 12:49 Ket wrote:
what wobbly says is more or less what i wouldve expected to happen to me by now had i stuck to nlhe. in his defence i don't think it's him that's washed up but the way in which he tries to play poker. ofcourse hardly anyone can show a decent 1.5m+ hand graph of just this year because masstabling nlhe online is yesteryear's gravy train and the cheese has long gone. adapt or die (props to wobbly for adapting)
wisdom.
But i want to add to this post by saying that Not only is mass tabling yesturyears gravy train, its online poker in general. What i mean is i dont think its possible with any type of professional poker style (2 tables, 4 tables 8 tables 24 tables) to have a true yearly winrate of 300k+ where as it was far easier last year (pre blackfriday).
The game is dead. People with legit hookups in live games please let me in and i'll treat u nicenice only looking for big games tho, like 100/200+
Browsing through your hand histories makes me wonder that you might not be aware these games are possibly play money. Have you ever tried to cash out? - Kapol
Had a small losing year last year losing about 9 outta 12 months and had a stretch where i lost around 250k this year i made more than i have in the 4 other years of poker there is still hope
On November 18 2012 12:49 Ket wrote:
what wobbly says is more or less what i wouldve expected to happen to me by now had i stuck to nlhe. in his defence i don't think it's him that's washed up but the way in which he tries to play poker. ofcourse hardly anyone can show a decent 1.5m+ hand graph of just this year because masstabling nlhe online is yesteryear's gravy train and the cheese has long gone. adapt or die (props to wobbly for adapting)
wisdom.
But i want to add to this post by saying that Not only is mass tabling yesturyears gravy train, its online poker in general. What i mean is i dont think its possible with any type of professional poker style (2 tables, 4 tables 8 tables 24 tables) to have a true yearly winrate of 300k+ where as it was far easier last year (pre blackfriday).
The game is dead. People with legit hookups in live games please let me in and i'll treat u nicenice only looking for big games tho, like 100/200+
i wouldn't agree with that. tried every 'professional poker style' for online poker have you? (hint: there's more out there than nlhe cashgames)
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wobbly_au Australia. Nov 19 2012 14:13. Posts 6540
On November 18 2012 12:49 Ket wrote:
what wobbly says is more or less what i wouldve expected to happen to me by now had i stuck to nlhe. in his defence i don't think it's him that's washed up but the way in which he tries to play poker. ofcourse hardly anyone can show a decent 1.5m+ hand graph of just this year because masstabling nlhe online is yesteryear's gravy train and the cheese has long gone. adapt or die (props to wobbly for adapting)
wisdom.
But i want to add to this post by saying that Not only is mass tabling yesturyears gravy train, its online poker in general. What i mean is i dont think its possible with any type of professional poker style (2 tables, 4 tables 8 tables 24 tables) to have a true yearly winrate of 300k+ where as it was far easier last year (pre blackfriday).
The game is dead. People with legit hookups in live games please let me in and i'll treat u nicenice only looking for big games tho, like 100/200+
i wouldn't agree with that. tried every 'professional poker style' for online poker have you? (hint: there's more out there than nlhe cashgames)
riddle me this,
how many people back in say 2010 can say they have a true winrate of 300k a year. How many can today?
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