Your worst downswing experience? - Page 3

a very small amount, but very very much nonzero
an even smaller amount, but very very much nonzero

just picking up on the fact you used the word "impossible". far from it, by my estimation

On November 19 2012 13:14 Ket wrote: a very small amount, but very very much nonzero an even smaller amount, but very very much nonzero just picking up on the fact you used the word "impossible". far from it, by my estimation

i assume we are just quibbling over terminology then, but my main point if blackfriday pulled ALOT of money out of the economy

i'd say the top tier money makers 300k+ prob reduced from 50 to like 10. MTTers and SNGS excluded.

And yes i think there are only around 10 poeple who can make 300k+ a year plo and NL included

I honestly think my worst downswing was not my most -$ situation but I went through a -45 buyin month last year. It was only over 150k hands or so, and not at limits that affected my lifestyle in any way. It hurt my ego and poker soul though. I basically stopped playing for about 5 weeks before even opening a table again. I feel you might have this issue. It is more the mental damage than the br damage that is what feels defeating. I worked my way back in gradually, re-reading alot of the books I have based my game on and also reviewing my personal notebook. I keep a notebook of key concepts and how I want to apply them, kind of an unreleased poker strategy book just for me.
I had a few long talks with other players about a few spots that I was not sure I was dealing with correctly, and although I do not think this helped me directly it did wonders for my desire to get back to the game.
Sidenote;
Games are def getting tougher, but it is the same in any line of work. The winners stay on top by constantly evolving and adapting. The lazy die.
Hope I did my part to motivate you!

to wobbly:

what do you say to all these people claiming to have hourly win rates of $100 or more? (mainly the mid and low stakes grinders, like $100nl to 600nl, etc)

I am in no position to refute or accept their claims (and i have noticed they have died down somewhat) but people always talk about their hourly (mostly 1/2 grinders) and it just seems like they make way less than they claim to make

at the same time, i imagine someone who was decent, not good, but decent, at poker could play a ton of tables and just grind it out playing super nitty for something like 8-10 hours a day (maybe even 12) and earn a few buy ins + rakeback to make 300k a year playing 1/2.

it is disheartening to read that the game is deteriorating, in terms of profitability and viability for players, but it also seems that the game didnt really die, its just that mid stakes died.

Strictly from a statistical perspective, I had a 400k breakeven stretch where my EV was something like +140-150 buyins. Never have been much of a grinder but it really crushed my desire to play the game at all any more.

of course, family problems crushed what was left so it didn't matter much any way.

On November 19 2012 14:55 chris wrote: to wobbly: what do you say to all these people claiming to have hourly win rates of $100 or more? (mainly the mid and low stakes grinders, like $100nl to 600nl, etc) I am in no position to refute or accept their claims (and i have noticed they have died down somewhat) but people always talk about their hourly (mostly 1/2 grinders) and it just seems like they make way less than they claim to make at the same time, i imagine someone who was decent, not good, but decent, at poker could play a ton of tables and just grind it out playing super nitty for something like 8-10 hours a day (maybe even 12) and earn a few buy ins + rakeback to make 300k a year playing 1/2. it is disheartening to read that the game is deteriorating, in terms of profitability and viability for players, but it also seems that the game didnt really die, its just that mid stakes died.

no reg on 1-2 makes 300k a year im sorry to say..
my hourly lifetime is 400$/h and this year 0$/h
Postblackfriday is very very different.

edit i'll add another post later.. but thats the gist.. im in a session and cbf typing more

I would love to get back on the online grind and just grind out 100k a year on midstakes NLhe/PLO. anything to hold me over yo

how can the game be dead given all the ridiculous hands i see longple post day in and day out

On November 19 2012 17:35 n0rthf4ce wrote: how can the game be dead given all the ridiculous hands i see longple post day in and day out

do u see longple making the $$$ vs these guys that supposedly play bad?

it didnt/doesnt seem like any reg will / can make 300k a year at 1/2, but these guys at 1/2 saying they make like $100 an hour.....well, if you make $100 an hour and play 10 hours a day, for 300 days a year, thats $300k.

something not adding up, and my guess is the regs overstate their winrates, etc.

i have a 4 year degree and handle all the accounting for a government funded non profit, and i get paid ~ $20 per hour.

dont know what stakes we're talkin about here but at 2/4 plo and higher i know way more than 10 persons with a 300k+ a year winrate esp incl. RB
What you say probably applies only to NLHE

On November 19 2012 18:01 chris wrote: it didnt/doesnt seem like any reg will / can make 300k a year at 1/2, but these guys at 1/2 saying they make like $100 an hour.....well, if you make $100 an hour and play 10 hours a day, for 300 days a year, thats $300k. something not adding up, and my guess is the regs overstate their winrates, etc. i have a 4 year degree and handle all the accounting for a government funded non profit, and i get paid ~ $20 per hour.

thats because ur job is likely to be far less demanding mentally. And less stressful. Poker isnt an easy game, definately hardest job i've had so far.

the reason noone makes 300k a year playin 1/2 is cuz ppl move up when they destroy their current stakes and so should they : )

On November 19 2012 18:01 chris wrote: it didnt/doesnt seem like any reg will / can make 300k a year at 1/2, but these guys at 1/2 saying they make like $100 an hour.....well, if you make $100 an hour and play 10 hours a day, for 300 days a year, thats $300k. something not adding up, and my guess is the regs overstate their winrates, etc. i have a 4 year degree and handle all the accounting for a government funded non profit, and i get paid ~ $20 per hour.

there's probably some people who can make $100/hr at whatever stakes who could never make close to $300k/year, playing your A-game 10 hours a day everyday seems freaking impossible to me unless you got those rigged nanonoko genetics. i used to just play 2-3 hrs/day because i knew after that i was shit.

i think these posts about the games being dead or whatever are total bullshit.

i personally know like 10 people who have already made >300k this year only playing NL.

i'm up 50k already this month and am up something like 120k in just the last 3 months. that's including 2 downswings one 15 buy ins the other 20. one of those happened just yesterday.

tomson,

i have had a 300k hand breakeven stretch. i've also had single days where ive lost 30 buy ins in the past. those kind of things dont really happen to me anymore because i manipulate my strategy based on whether im winning or losing. that means when im winning i will choose to increase my variance in certain spots since i know im going to tilt less and play better even if i happen to lose a stack--this allows me t push smaller edges which obv increases winrate. when im losing, i look for situations to decrease my variance and will pass on a lot of spots where i could take a small edge in order to soften my big losses and keep me in higher stakes games more often--this is even more important when playing multiple sites without the ability to transfer funds since if i lose my roll im out of action until i can make a deposit which is a huge pain in the ass.

if u really believe every time the cards go all in that the one card your opponent needs is going to fall (ya i can relate ive definitely felt like that before), id suggest to just drop way down in stakes, like if u play 5/10 as your main game, go down to 1/2 and force yourself to win 5 or 10 buy ins to move back up to 2/4, then do the same thing there and move to 3/6 and before u know it, you;ll have your confidence back and be playing 5/10 again. if u continue to run awful, at least it'll be at 1/2 where it will only affect you 1/5th as much.

On November 19 2012 18:59 MARSHALL28 wrote: i think these posts about the games being dead or whatever are total bullshit. i personally know like 10 people who have already made >300k this year only playing NL. i'm up 50k already this month and am up something like 120k in just the last 3 months. that's including 2 downswings one 15 buy ins the other 20. one of those happened just yesterday. tomson, i have had a 300k hand breakeven stretch. i've also had single days where ive lost 30 buy ins in the past. those kind of things dont really happen to me anymore because i manipulate my strategy based on whether im winning or losing. that means when im winning i will choose to increase my variance in certain spots since i know im going to tilt less and play better even if i happen to lose a stack--this allows me t push smaller edges which obv increases winrate. when im losing, i look for situations to decrease my variance and will pass on a lot of spots where i could take a small edge in order to soften my big losses and keep me in higher stakes games more often--this is even more important when playing multiple sites without the ability to transfer funds since if i lose my roll im out of action until i can make a deposit which is a huge pain in the ass. if u really believe every time the cards go all in that the one card your opponent needs is going to fall (ya i can relate ive definitely felt like that before), id suggest to just drop way down in stakes, like if u play 5/10 as your main game, go down to 1/2 and force yourself to win 5 or 10 buy ins to move back up to 2/4, then do the same thing there and move to 3/6 and before u know it, you;ll have your confidence back and be playing 5/10 again. if u continue to run awful, at least it'll be at 1/2 where it will only affect you 1/5th as much.

that is the most ridiculous strategy lol
those 10 people who made 300k are just running hot btw, and so are you if thats your attitude to playing.

games have never been softer for myself. half the regs at 500zoom are pretty bad, i think a $200 hourly is possible playing 8 tables of zoom (4x500 and 4x200)

Agreed w Stroggoz, games are ridic soft compared to 1-2 years ago especially at midstakes when there were 20-100 bb tables full of shortiesstakes, dunno what wobbly is talking about

neither of you have enough hands so make those claims.
i dont have much zoom hands, but 510 is very very tough compared to 2 years ago

either
A. everyone else who claims games who are tougher are wrong, i.e me

or

B. locoo and stroggoz are wrong and are simply running hot

i guess its my word against yours, but im inclined to believe my self due to my 8million hand database showing me that i was clearly a huge winner and now suddenly breakeven after blackfriday.

hmm i'm down 12k in zoom lifetime, over 120k hands. i'm very confident that it's quite soft though.

edit: will get back to you after i've played 1mill hands of zoom haha.

i see your point with any non zoom games above 2/4, especially 5/10+ table selection is insanely good. And it's frustrating just to try and get on a single table with a fish.