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On November 21 2012 08:18 wobbly_au wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2012 08:14 TianYuan wrote: @Wobbly, here`s the gist of his stats: Total: 486 644$ (EV adjusted: 566 000$) 9bb/100 @ 460k hands total 8bb/100 over 377k hands of 5/10 as the meat, some 10/20 and 25/50. Too lazy to fill in all the details from his graph, but it looks pretty sick.[/QUOTE pretty sick results, guess there will always be exceptions aye? Mystery man, how have your year's results compared to the last few years?

2012 > 2010 > 2011.
6.6evbb/100 at 5/10+ over 1.2mil hands.

And there are plenty of people i play with every day at 5/10 who I am sure are better than me(and whenever i venture into 25/50 i often feel im 4th or 5th best at the table).

Don't intend this as a brag(hence why i won't out myself) but just find it exceedingly arrogant that someone who starts breaking even at the games he is playing deems them unbeatable.

ok, it is now 3handed. Marshall, wobbly and mystery man

i dont think he necessarily meant unbeatable, just that without the influx of new cash, the regs are just dumping money back and forth and the games are not as good as they were, so many regs who used to win are now losing, or taking lots of ups and downs that were not experienced before, etc.

i mean, i do not think anyone can argue that the poker economy was not much much better with the US player involvement (all the best players moved overseas, the hobbyists / fish etc stayed and cannot play) , and really, the segregation of the cash games by country also limits international player pool.

does wobbly have an ego, of course. i mean, love him, hate him or indifferent, i think he does make some valid points about the state of the game, but at the same time, there are still winners,

i think a good point was made about the number of tables played. the more tables, i woudl think that would hypothetically reduce or limit one's edge in the game and the player would have less awareness of exploitable tendencies of other opponents, or might not realize some of the flaws in his own game.

i have a ton of respect for wobbly and for marshall, and even though there will be tons of flaming, trash talking and ego swelling, let us enjoy their match (if it happens) and thank them for the entertainment. always differences of opinion, but lets all be gentlemen about it.

Mystery man to save the day. I wish that one day I can visit Wobbly and shit out a nice fresh turd on his geeky pro-poker-set-up-whatever. After this he'll finally be eligible to say that, MR BIG WOBBLY, is indeed the shit. Until that day has come Wobbly will only be a wet fart to me.

this thread got hi jacked out of control into a wobbly bashing thread. OP asked wobbly to come and comment, and state his opinion. i think wobbly is well qualified to give his opinion, and i have no affiliation with wobbly

Regardless of whether he's wrong about this, or whether the way he posts is liable to earn him any commendations for humility, 1.7million is a pretty damn good result from poker....

On November 21 2012 14:57 chris wrote: this thread got hi jacked out of control into a wobbly bashing thread. OP asked wobbly to come and comment, and state his opinion. i think wobbly is well qualified to give his opinion, and i have no affiliation with wobbly

wobbly hi jacks all the threads he posts in. Dude craves the bashing; it's only way he knows how to get the much needed attention he oh so clearly lacks in his life.

I honestly don't understand why ppl are hating on Wobby. He's obviously got the skills to back up his claims, he's very opinionated, and they're not always your opinions. So what? He's a quality player!

wow thats impressive

gw sir!

The reason people hate on Wobbly is because of the way he expresses himself sometimes. He clearly has a superiority complex.

No-one doubts his abilities as a poker player or his discipline. I think everyone could learn from his example when it comes to hard work (especially considering his other accomplishments alongside playing 1.8m hands a year). That said; being modest is always a good trait and that is something Wobbly - at least on the internet - hasn't learned yet.

bottom line is the kid can play poker and sittin on a mil+.

he is still one of LP's heros.

On November 21 2012 08:40 NotInThDiner wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 08:18 wobbly_au wrote: [QUOTE]On November 21 2012 08:14 TianYuan wrote: @Wobbly, here`s the gist of his stats: Total: 486 644$ (EV adjusted: 566 000$) 9bb/100 @ 460k hands total 8bb/100 over 377k hands of 5/10 as the meat, some 10/20 and 25/50. Too lazy to fill in all the details from his graph, but it looks pretty sick.[/QUOTE pretty sick results, guess there will always be exceptions aye? Mystery man, how have your year's results compared to the last few years? 2012 > 2010 > 2011. 6.6evbb/100 at 5/10+ over 1.2mil hands. And there are plenty of people i play with every day at 5/10 who I am sure are better than me(and whenever i venture into 25/50 i often feel im 4th or 5th best at the table). Don't intend this as a brag(hence why i won't out myself) but just find it exceedingly arrogant that someone who starts breaking even at the games he is playing deems them unbeatable.

Whats the ratio of 9max:6max:HU?
Do you table select much? Either way those are impressive results, I will take this into account and decide on my career in the next few weeks. If you claim to be not one of the best regs on the tables you play yet and achieve these results then there has to be a giant whale on that table, otherwise you have to be one of the top 2 to be a winner (Thats just how the rake is structured, usually only 2 people from a table win).

Either way, I don't see how i've been arrogant or w/e in this thread, i came in admitting i haven't won shit this year and that is a hard thing to do for most people.
GL to those who aren't convinced and still wish to pursue poker as a career, but for me i will probably give it one more short for a month and again refining or maybe even remodelling my strategies. If it doesn't work and legislation doesnt change then GG im outta here.

wobbly how cum you never show your losing streaks and tiltaments?

On November 22 2012 02:50 flounder44 wrote: wobbly how cum you never show your losing streaks and tiltaments?

what do u think im doing in this thread???

On November 21 2012 16:31 Endo wrote: I honestly don't understand why ppl are hating on Wobby. He's obviously got the skills to back up his claims, he's very opinionated, and they're not always your opinions. So what? He's a quality player!

I haven't read the thread, just this page so far, and the answer to this seems obvious to me. We don't respect people because of what they do, and how well they do it, unless we are very shallow. We respect them for who they are, who they have grown themselves into, through what they have done. What they do is almost completely irrelevant. So that is why.

On November 22 2012 06:34 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2012 16:31 Endo wrote: I honestly don't understand why ppl are hating on Wobby. He's obviously got the skills to back up his claims, he's very opinionated, and they're not always your opinions. So what? He's a quality player! I haven't read the thread, just this page so far, and the answer to this seems obvious to me. We don't respect people because of what they do, and how well they do it, unless we are very shallow. We respect them for who they are, who they have grown themselves into, through what they have done. What they do is almost completely irrelevant. So that is why.

lol you didn't even read the thread.
wobbly sounded a bit arrogant and people is throwing shit at him. that's it. at least he is sharing his thoughts and results, unlike some people that just act like the if they were perfect human beings.

Wobbly dosnt act like hes a perfect human being? :D

On November 22 2012 07:36 ilbh wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:34 Loco wrote:   On November 21 2012 16:31 Endo wrote: I honestly don't understand why ppl are hating on Wobby. He's obviously got the skills to back up his claims, he's very opinionated, and they're not always your opinions. So what? He's a quality player! I haven't read the thread, just this page so far, and the answer to this seems obvious to me. We don't respect people because of what they do, and how well they do it, unless we are very shallow. We respect them for who they are, who they have grown themselves into, through what they have done. What they do is almost completely irrelevant. So that is why. lol you didn't even read the thread. wobbly sounded a bit arrogant and people is throwing shit at him. that's it. at least he is sharing his thoughts and results, unlike some people that just act like the if they were perfect human beings.

Why would he need to read the thread ? he can have a opinion based on previous threads.
I agree, that in this thread, while being arrogant Wobbly at least gives some personal insights that are interesting. And he applies his ideas: he never claimed to be modest or that he was here to be friendly and just helps others.
But clearly, I am very far to consider him as a role model, and the amount someone has won is far from being a factor for this.

On November 22 2012 07:36 ilbh wrote: Show nested quote + On November 22 2012 06:34 Loco wrote:   On November 21 2012 16:31 Endo wrote: I honestly don't understand why ppl are hating on Wobby. He's obviously got the skills to back up his claims, he's very opinionated, and they're not always your opinions. So what? He's a quality player! I haven't read the thread, just this page so far, and the answer to this seems obvious to me. We don't respect people because of what they do, and how well they do it, unless we are very shallow. We respect them for who they are, who they have grown themselves into, through what they have done. What they do is almost completely irrelevant. So that is why. lol you didn't even read the thread. wobbly sounded a bit arrogant and people is throwing shit at him. that's it. at least he is sharing his thoughts and results, unlike some people that just act like the if they were perfect human beings.

I've read it now. I don't see what it changes... except that it informed me that wobbly is apparently not as good as he thought he was, making his points less legit than they would appear to be at first. But I initially had no problems with his claims that the game have gotten much worse; I see no reason why it would be the opposite.

I was responding to a post in particular without needing context, and I could guess what happened in the thread. It's not the first wobbly-bash thread nor will it be the last. I'm just saying he gets hate because of his character, and no amount of talent can make up for a rotten character. He's doomed to be hated because we like/admire people who we see as having virtues that we would like to cultivate in ourselves, and that's something that's pretty much impossible to find in wobbly (for me at least), hence why I don't respect him. I'm sure it's the same for a lot of people. And I don't give a shit about how well someone can click a mouse on a computer screen in order to make money. Doesn't inspire me in the slightest. Unless we're really shallow, we admire those who seem "complete"; e.g., Fedor, GSP. They aren't just extremely talented at what they do, they do it with great class and humility.

I think you give him a bit too much credit for sharing his thoughts and results. Why's that supposed to change anything as to why he gets hate? It's not like he's doing it as a service to anyone. It gave him an opportunity to speak about himself and his accomplishments, the one thing he likes the most. I might be cynical but how does that redeem anything rofl. He's puzzled that his godly poker-playing self is no longer performing as well as he used to be and he blamed the games pretty much entirely if I'm not mistaken.Which, in fact, happened to be wrong, since someone posted stats that are much more impressive than his, and claimed he knew others that are even better than him. So I guess on top of being "slightly arrogant" (your words) you'd have to seriously consider that his cognitive bias of illusory superiority in all domains of life actually does extend to poker, i.e., he not only has an overblown esteem of himself, he also misjudges his poker competence; which - according to the image he's always presented on here - is the one thing that no matter what couldn't be taken from him.

I dunno, I feel like I sound too harsh, but that's pretty much exactly what the thread's showing.

people with massive poker egos usually just have no confidence in other aspects of life, so they rage out on the internet.