Will sitting too much kill you?

This seems pretty relevant to all poker players and according to the linked NYT article, the answer is yes, sitting too much will kill you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/mag..._r=4&src=me&ref=homepage&

Couple of quotes from the article:

"The men in the study who spent six hours or more per day of their leisure time sitting had an overall death rate that was about 20 percent higher than the men who sat for three hours or less."

"Another study, published last year in the journal Circulation, looked at nearly 9,000 Australians and found that for each additional hour of television a person sat and watched per day, the risk of dying rose by 11 percent."

NO as long as you are not dehydration.. i mean dehydrated

good study, ppl drinking water will die ... fact!

Isn't the risk of dying 100% anyway

yes

One more:

"Sitting, it would seem, is an independent pathology. Being sedentary for nine hours a day at the office is bad for your health whether you go home and watch television afterward or hit the gym. It is bad whether you are morbidly obese or marathon-runner thin. “Excessive sitting,” Dr. Levine says, “is a lethal activity.”"

On April 13 2013 01:03 Breeze wrote: Isn't the risk of dying 100% anyway

some have managed to come back for round two

if you smart asses prefer we could say something like "the more time you spend sitting, the more likely you are to die at an age sooner than average" instead

standing is a lot of work, i'll take my chances

It's no surprise that people who live an active lifestyle live longer than people who don't live an active lifestyle right? Watching tv or sitting won't hurt you, but they are indicative of an unhealthy lifestyle.

On April 13 2013 01:31 SleepyHead wrote: It's no surprise that people who live an active lifestyle live longer than people who don't live an active lifestyle right? Watching tv or sitting won't hurt you, but they are indicative of an unhealthy lifestyle.they are indicative of an unhealthy lifestyle.

Yeah that's what you'd think but according to the studies in the article it's not just a correlation. Regarding "watching tv or sitting won't hurt you", I can't say anything about TV but according to the article and it's studies sitting itself will hurt you and that's kind of the major point and why I found this worth posting.

"The study author David Dunstan wanted to analyze whether the people who sat watching television had other unhealthful habits that caused them to die sooner. But after crunching the numbers, he reported that “age, sex, education, smoking, hypertension, waist circumference, body-mass index, glucose tolerance status and leisure-time exercise did not significantly modify the associations between television viewing and all-cause . . . mortality.”"

Sitting gave me hemorrhoids so I quit poker lol

Lots of bus jeepney and taxi drivers here die of colon or rectal disease

wtf how am I supposed to sit less than 6 hours a day? ?

or does that assume that you're also sitting during work?

On April 13 2013 06:01 Liquid`Drone wrote: wtf how am I supposed to sit less than 6 hours a day? ? or does that assume that you're also sitting during work?

all sitting period.

pretty much gg to most of us for poker by itself not including gaming and watching shit on the computer LOL

like
I work manually and don't sit at all during work
I have two dogs and walk them for a good while every day
I do tons of cross country skiing during winter (440 kilometers this season!) and I try to play football during summer.

but I still sit at least 6 hours every day. doesn't matter how social I am, if I go out to or with buddies then I'm still gonna be sitting. and this is the most active I've ever been since childhood and prolly the most active I'm ever gonna be - I'm currently in awesome shape. but I don't get how I'm supposed to reduce sitting to less than 6 hours through the day. like am I just supposed to stand? or does a couch where you're not really sitting work?

cause I mean ok obviously a really sedentary life is bad and obviously spending 14 hours a day sitting is bad for you. but does anyone here NOT sit 6 hours per day?

Irony is that the thing that we need the most to live actually kills us, just at a very slow rate. Fuck you air.

op those quotes make the article look like it's a silly correlation=causation fallacy.

tldr: even if you don't exercise, taking lots of individual movements every day, like walking up and down stairs to get food will dramatically decrease your chances of becoming a fatty.
individual movements can be as simple as tying your shoelaces.

Ok so this article is a warning to any SNE bots that use pee bottles and have food by their desk

nice so staying in bed all day is actually healthy

what about doing something like riding a bike? you are sitting and your heart rate is slightly elevated, but not that much

^any movement is much healthier
even swaying back and forth is better than nothing
just staying absolutely still is what's bad for you

". Working late one night at 3 a.m., Dr. Levine coined a name for the concept of reaping major benefits through thousands of minor movements each day: NEAT, which stands for Non-Exercise Activity Thermogenesis. In the world of NEAT, even the littlest stuff matters. McCrady-Spitzer showed me a chart that tracked my calorie-burning rate with zigzagging lines, like those of a seismograph. “What’s that?” I asked, pointing to one of the spikes, which indicated that the rate had shot up. “That’s when you bent over to tie your shoes,” she said. “It took your body more energy than just sitting still.”
"

this was known for a while though, not sure what new the study found
edit: oh this nytimes article is from 2011 -.-

since the greater topic is things that kill you
one of the fastest killers is sugar, namely sucrose sugar
shits deadly, look it up

Its fairly common knowledge that sitting for long period of times deteriorates your muscles which provide support for organs.

This study makes sense but I think they should mention that the group of men who sat for 6 hours likely had almost no form of physical exercise compared to the other group.

Stupid question.

Let's say you don't have the choice to sit for 3 hours (class for example). Is there any ways to make it less harmfull? For example, moving my legs or whatever.

Btw, i clearly do way more than 6 hours, i def need to get a better life style =(

It doesn't say exactly but I think 6 hours a day is way below average amount of sitting per day. According to the study 10 hours is the average for obese people and so we can say that 8 hours is probably about average.

"In a motion-tracking study, Dr. Levine found that obese subjects averaged only 1,500 daily movements and nearly 600 minutes sitting. In my trial with the magic underwear, I came out looking somewhat better — 2,234 individual movements and 367 minutes sitting. But I was still nowhere near the farm workers Dr. Levine has studied in Jamaica, who average 5,000 daily movements and only 300 minutes sitting."

So,

6 hours = good
8 hours = average
10 hours = obese

There are some standing / adjustable desks out there that will go to a preset heights at the push of a button; one for sitting, and one for standing.

Relevant dialogue with khan:

[4/13/2013 4:49:43 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahahahah
[4/13/2013 4:49:45 PM] hevadrain: that sounds sick
[4/13/2013 4:49:52 PM] hevadrain: like ur a commander at a warroom
[4/13/2013 4:49:56 PM] hevadrain: commanding an army and shit
[4/13/2013 4:50:00 PM] hevadrain: and when u sit its in siege mode
[4/13/2013 4:50:03 PM] hevadrain: and when u stand tank mode
[4/13/2013 4:50:07 PM] Steven King: "ok guys lets get down to business' RRRRRNNNGGGG
[4/13/2013 4:50:11 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahaha


Priced at 750-1500 for the powered versions (some cheaper solutions that are manually adjustable around ~250)

http://www.geekdesk.com/
http://www.nextdesks.com/buy#ecwid:ca...&mode=product&product=8372837
http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate
http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate/elevate-wrap this one is 3k

On April 13 2013 10:53 Daut wrote: what about doing something like riding a bike? you are sitting and your heart rate is slightly elevated, but not that much

this was my first thought.

i think the article is pretty questionable. even very active people sit for quite a bit of their day if they are involved in rowing/cycling for their primary exercising.

masturbate during poker sessions= problem solved

On April 13 2013 17:26 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2013 10:53 Daut wrote: what about doing something like riding a bike? you are sitting and your heart rate is slightly elevated, but not that much this was my first thought. i think the article is pretty questionable. even very active people sit for quite a bit of their day if they are involved in rowing/cycling for their primary exercising.

I don't think this counts as sitting the article talks about.

"This is your body on chairs: Electrical activity in the muscles drops — “the muscles go as silent as those of a dead horse,” Hamilton says — leading to a cascade of harmful metabolic effects. Your calorie-burning rate immediately plunges to about one per minute, a third of what it would be if you got up and walked."

So biking is not sitting + exercising it is just biking and the same with rowing.

This also just in water is wet. Of course sitting kills you. You getting fatter and exercise less

I call bs on this thread. Utter nonsense. Buy Dr.Levines magnetic knee straps from top shop and solve your knee problems, i'm sure he his magic underwear works just aswell (cough). Those studies mean shit,in poker terms they just flip a coin until they get desired results 2 times out of 3. If you buy into this crap you deserve all the humiliation and poop flinged at you.

On April 13 2013 18:12 Raidern wrote:

LMAO.. Thats exactly how i grind.

On April 13 2013 17:14 Smuft wrote: There are some standing / adjustable desks out there that will go to a preset heights at the push of a button; one for sitting, and one for standing. Relevant dialogue with khan: [4/13/2013 4:49:43 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahahahah [4/13/2013 4:49:45 PM] hevadrain: that sounds sick [4/13/2013 4:49:52 PM] hevadrain: like ur a commander at a warroom [4/13/2013 4:49:56 PM] hevadrain: commanding an army and shit [4/13/2013 4:50:00 PM] hevadrain: and when u sit its in siege mode [4/13/2013 4:50:03 PM] hevadrain: and when u stand tank mode [4/13/2013 4:50:07 PM] Steven King: "ok guys lets get down to business' RRRRRNNNGGGG [4/13/2013 4:50:11 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahaha Priced at 750-1500 for the powered versions (some cheaper solutions that are manually adjustable around ~250) http://www.geekdesk.com/ http://www.nextdesks.com/buy#ecwid:ca...&mode=product&product=8372837 http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate/elevate-wrap this one is 3k

Rofl.

On April 13 2013 19:03 cariadon wrote: I call bs on this thread. Utter nonsense. Buy Dr.Levines magnetic knee straps from top shop and solve your knee problems, i'm sure he his magic underwear works just aswell (cough). Those studies mean shit,in poker terms they just flip a coin until they get desired results 2 times out of 3. If you buy into this crap you deserve all the humiliation and poop flinged at you.

agreed. I don't even bother looking into these studies, most are BS. there's usually too many variables to monitor for anyone to come up with an accurate conclusion...plus you never know if they have a hidden agenda like you just mentioned.

On April 13 2013 09:36 Liquid`Meat wrote: nice so staying in bed all day is actually healthy

idk how people could spend so much time at a desk, my back get's so sore. lying in bed is the way to go

On April 13 2013 18:16 Smuft wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2013 17:26 nolan wrote:   On April 13 2013 10:53 Daut wrote: what about doing something like riding a bike? you are sitting and your heart rate is slightly elevated, but not that much this was my first thought. i think the article is pretty questionable. even very active people sit for quite a bit of their day if they are involved in rowing/cycling for their primary exercising. I don't think this counts as sitting the article talks about. "This is your body on chairs: Electrical activity in the muscles drops — “the muscles go as silent as those of a dead horse,” Hamilton says — leading to a cascade of harmful metabolic effects. Your calorie-burning rate immediately plunges to about one per minute, a third of what it would be if you got up and walked." So biking is not sitting + exercising it is just biking and the same with rowing.

Well then that is my whole thing, it's not the sitting that is the problem, but the utter idleness. Unless somehow laying down isn't the same problem. I think it's clear just standing upright and still takes more muscle use than sitting down..

On April 13 2013 17:14 Smuft wrote: There are some standing / adjustable desks out there that will go to a preset heights at the push of a button; one for sitting, and one for standing. Relevant dialogue with khan: [4/13/2013 4:49:43 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahahahah [4/13/2013 4:49:45 PM] hevadrain: that sounds sick [4/13/2013 4:49:52 PM] hevadrain: like ur a commander at a warroom [4/13/2013 4:49:56 PM] hevadrain: commanding an army and shit [4/13/2013 4:50:00 PM] hevadrain: and when u sit its in siege mode [4/13/2013 4:50:03 PM] hevadrain: and when u stand tank mode [4/13/2013 4:50:07 PM] Steven King: "ok guys lets get down to business' RRRRRNNNGGGG [4/13/2013 4:50:11 PM] hevadrain: hahahahahaha Priced at 750-1500 for the powered versions (some cheaper solutions that are manually adjustable around ~250) http://www.geekdesk.com/ http://www.nextdesks.com/buy#ecwid:ca...&mode=product&product=8372837 http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate http://www.anthro.com/families/elevate/elevate-wrap this one is 3k

Mostly for old school LP/Stars guys but The Cleaner was using a powered standing/adjustable desk back in '08. #thecleaner #tradesecrets #2008PokerStarsRegAnecdotes

that geekbench looks like the best value from those options. Anyone know if they are actually decent?

On April 13 2013 21:42 k4ir0s wrote: agreed. I don't even bother looking into these studies, most are BS. there's usually too many variables to monitor for anyone to come up with an accurate conclusion...plus you never know if they have a hidden agenda like you just mentioned.

but smoking pot CURES CANCER yo!

On April 13 2013 00:51 Smuft wrote: "Another study, published last year in the journal Circulation, looked at nearly 9,000 Australians and found that for each additional hour of television a person sat and watched per day, the risk of dying rose by 11 percent."

so if i sit 10h i will be 110% dead? nice ;D

i dont think thats how the progression works :D

It can.