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On September 03 2013 17:46 djforever wrote: Had two drafts so far and have a third one tonight. I'll update that one after. All three of them are standard scoring. What do you think of these teams and my draft order? [quote] Team 1, 7th pick in a 12 team league: 7 QB Matt Stafford 3 WR Victor Cruz 4 WR Marques Colston 1 RB Marshawn Lynch 2 RB Stevan Ridley 6 TE Jared Cook 8 WR/TE Mike Wallace 13 K Phil Dawson 10 DEF Texans 5 B Chris Ivory 9 B Mark Ingram 11 B Denarius Moore 12 B Bilal Powell

everyone has different running back rankings, but i dont like ridley at pick 18. i have him in the mid 20s value wise. id rather have the following guys than ridley, even in non PPR: CJ2k, wilson, MJD, sjax, gore, dez, aj green, demaryius, julio and graham. RB do go up in value with a flex because they are an attractive option there in non PPR, but i prefer those other players instead.

think chris ivory usually goes a bit later than that, thinking around pick 75-80. same with jared cook, a bit too early for him. rounds 7-9 went very well, think its too early to take a defense round 10. if you do you need to go SEA/SF. after that a lot of these teams have rough schedules to the point id rather have NE the first 3 weeks and then committee aftewards. Denarious moore has all sorts of attitude issues and i try to avoid drafting him and bilal powell isnt draftable in a league this shallow with only 13 slots.

Team 2, 7th pick in a 10 team league: 6 QB Colin Kaepernick 4 WR Roddy White 3 WR Victor Cruz 1 RB Jamaal Charles 2 RB Maurice Jones Drew 7 TE Jared Cook 5 WR/RB Daryl Richardson 14 K Robbie Gould 12 DEF Broncos 8 B Mike Wallace 9 B TY Hilton 11 B Lance Moore 10 B Zach Sudfeld 13 B Percy Harvin

love rounds 1-4. daryl generally goes around pick 65-75 for me so maybe a little reach on him. great value on kaepernick in 6th, i think hes basically equal to peyton/brady this year. early on cook again, good receivers in the 8-12 rounds but forget harvin, not worth taking up a roster spot in a league like this. maybe if you had 18 slots its ok, but 14 is not enough. would much rather have someone like isaiah pead to back up richardson

On September 03 2013 18:07 bigredhoss wrote: any guess as to what kind of ROI you might have in these things? or significant data for other people's ROIs.

im not sure. most of my leagues are the yahoo pro leagues, 10 man, 250 buyin, prizepool is 2250 so its 225+25 for a pretty large rake. given how people draft id guess my ROI is around 10% but im not really sure. it also depends on your draft #.

if all players were equal, i believe this is how often everyone wins:
1: 16%
2: 13%
3: 11%
4: 10%
5-10: 8-9%

its just a huge advantage drafting early

On September 03 2013 18:29 YouGoTGoT wrote: I disagree on the early round strategy a bit. I like RB for 2 of the first 3 picks but in my 10man full PPR league I ended up going RB RB RB and really like how it turned out. QB: Ryan RB: martin RB: sjax WR: Welker WR: wayne WR: steve smith Flex: reggie bush TE: cook Bench: vereen, woodhead, josh gordon, miles austin, kembrell thompkins, alshon jeffrey I actually went in intending to go some combo of RB RB WR (had 3rd pick) but when sjax fell to me I couldnt resist and then I grabbed reggie over recievers like fitz (top 5 were gone). Reggie may catch 100 balls this year. I think you can grab 3 top 20 WRs in rounds 4-6 when others are forced to grab RBs like lamar, monte, lacy etc..

i used to be all about going RB-RB-RB or at least 2 RB in first 3 rounds, but in these 2 RB leagues with no flex and 3 WR i believe its a mistake. reason being that you can just get so many RB in later rounds, even starting running backs up til the 9th round. here is a draft I just did, 10 man yahoo pro league i had the #1 pick:

AP
demaryius thomas
jimmy graham
dwayne bowe
frank gore
colin kaepernick
darren mcfadden
miles austin
deangelo williams
kenny britt
chris givens
alshon jeffrey
ronnie hillman
hauschka
cleveland D (play miami and STL/TB/NE were all gone)

i still end up with 4 starting RB by not even trying, guys just fall further than you think. if i decided to take a 3rd WR or cam newton instead of gore, i would have been able to get DMC/mathews at the 5/6 turn. you can wait a long time in 10 team leagues, especially without flex.


now if theres a flex its a bit different and RB go up in value as its nice to be able to start 3 running backs. going RB-RB-RB is definitely an option, especially in full PPR when you can get reggie bush that late. just insane. guy is going to average 120 total yards, 4.5 receptions and .5 touchdowns every game. he should be a top 15 pick in full PPR. really like your team a lot

On September 03 2013 18:29 YouGoTGoT wrote: I disagree on the early round strategy a bit. I like RB for 2 of the first 3 picks but in my 10man full PPR league I ended up going RB RB RB and really like how it turned out. QB: Ryan RB: martin RB: sjax WR: Welker WR: wayne WR: steve smith Flex: reggie bush TE: cook Bench: vereen, woodhead, josh gordon, miles austin, kembrell thompkins, alshon jeffrey I actually went in intending to go some combo of RB RB WR (had 3rd pick) but when sjax fell to me I couldnt resist and then I grabbed reggie over recievers like fitz (top 5 were gone). Reggie may catch 100 balls this year. I think you can grab 3 top 20 WRs in rounds 4-6 when others are forced to grab RBs like lamar, monte, lacy etc..

one other thing about player groupings. it obviously changes quite a bit from non PPR to PPR, but here is how i group WR in full PPR

calvin

aj, dez, demaryius
julio, marshall
andre, fitz

roddy, cruz, vjax
bowe, amendola, cobb
brown
wayne/colston/decker/torrey

and the issue is often that when it gets to pick #50-60, all of these players are gone. and there is a gap from around 52 to 65 where you would rather draft other positions since the ADP of guys like cecil/steve smith/miles is much lower. specifically in the 5th/6th rounds you usually dont want WR (which is why i went kaep/DMC in my draft). also when you have an early pick, it doesnt get back to you until late round 4 and by then a lot of really good receivers are gone. i got very lucky to have bowe fall to me in round 4, if he didnt id have to take torrey or maybe cam instead. i originally wanted demaryius/julio at the turn but since graham fell to me i had to take him

May as well post my team. Picking 12th in a 12 team league, obviously. This is 0.5 PPR and 0.02 return yardage, which makes Randall Cobb the second WR according to fftoolbox and 3rd according to Yahoo's computers. Trent Richardson went 11th or I would have grabbed him instead. Drafting last kinda sucks. Draft was a week ago before Brown got hurt.

Oh yeah, QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, W/R/T flex, DEF, K. So 1 extra roster spot than usual.

1. (12) Dez Bryant WR
2. (13) Randall Cobb WR
3. (36) David Wilson RB
4. (37) DeMarco Murray RB
5. (60) Lamar Miller RB
6. (61) Jordy Nelson WR
7. (84) Andrew Luck QB
8. (85) Jared Cook TE
9. (108) Kenny Britt WR
10. (109) Michael Floyd WR
11. (132) Justin Blackmon WR
12. (133) Knowshon Moreno RB
13. (156) Jacquizz Rodgers RB
14. (157) San Diego DEF
15. (180) Steven Hauschka K

I already ditched Jacquizz to add the Tampa Bay DEF for that week 1 matchup against the Jets. San Diego has good matchups for weeks 2 and 3, and then back to TB for week 4.

{I still lean torwards at least 2 rbs for the same reason you said (albeit opposite): WR is soooooo deep. However, it all depends how the draft goes and where you are drafting. 2nd pick is a completely different draft vs say the 9th pick. My only goal was to draft the best available and thats what I did. I could easily have gone rb wr wr but the value was at RB. It helps to have amatuer players in your league. I won this same league last year getting carried by calvin and marshall so im curious to see how this goes. I guess my point is, you dont pigeon hole yourself, you draft value wherever it is.

Not a huge fan of julio or AJ in ppr. I feel like last year was AJs ceiling on that team. Also julio is inconsistent at times. Huge fan of dez this year he is my clear #2. Disclaimer: diehard cowboys fan.

Daut, look at my team again, would you drop one to add jaquizz? Or bell? I did not grab any handcuffs.

I think I drafted better in the third draft. 12 team league I picked 6th.

6 QB Matt Ryan
1 RB Ray Rice
3 RB Frank Gore
2 WR AJ Green
4 WR Danny Amendola
10 TE Jared Cook
5 WR/RB Ryan Mathews
13 K Robbie Gould
12 DEF Tampa Bay

7 B Greg Jennings
8 B Steve Johnson
9 B Isaac Redman
11 B Zach Sudfeld

On September 03 2013 19:08 ShadowDrgn wrote: May as well post my team. Picking 12th in a 12 team league, obviously. This is 0.5 PPR and 0.02 return yardage, which makes Randall Cobb the second WR according to fftoolbox and 3rd according to Yahoo's computers. Trent Richardson went 11th or I would have grabbed him instead. Drafting last kinda sucks. Draft was a week ago before Brown got hurt. Oh yeah, QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, TE, W/R/T flex, DEF, K. So 1 extra roster spot than usual. 1. (12) Dez Bryant WR 2. (13) Randall Cobb WR 3. (36) David Wilson RB 4. (37) DeMarco Murray RB 5. (60) Lamar Miller RB 6. (61) Jordy Nelson WR 7. (84) Andrew Luck QB 8. (85) Jared Cook TE 9. (108) Kenny Britt WR 10. (109) Michael Floyd WR 11. (132) Justin Blackmon WR 12. (133) Knowshon Moreno RB 13. (156) Jacquizz Rodgers RB 14. (157) San Diego DEF 15. (180) Steven Hauschka K I already ditched Jacquizz to add the Tampa Bay DEF for that week 1 matchup against the Jets. San Diego has good matchups for weeks 2 and 3, and then back to TB for week 4.

i dont think cobb gains that much. i think hes probably likely to have about 700 return yards and .5 touchdowns which adds 17 points to his season total. i think that places him around 7th best, slightly below demaryius/julio/marshall but ahead of andre/fitz. think he should be drafted around #20.

wilson at 36 so so so nice now that brown is out. demarco at 37 good too. love lamar at 60 and jordy at 61. love most of your draft. do think cook is maybe a round too early and dont like the cobb pick that early but overall turned out really really great every other pick

On September 03 2013 19:20 YouGoTGoT wrote: Daut, look at my team again, would you drop one to add jaquizz? Or bell? I did not grab any handcuffs.

no, vereen/woodhead way way way too good in PPR. and your other bench players are just better than joique and jacquizz. dont worry too much about no handcuffs. just dont use waivers and do free agency to build a good spot in case something bad happens you can pick up a backup then

On September 03 2013 22:23 djforever wrote: I think I drafted better in the third draft. 12 team league I picked 6th. 6 QB Matt Ryan 1 RB Ray Rice 3 RB Frank Gore 2 WR AJ Green 4 WR Danny Amendola 10 TE Jared Cook 5 WR/RB Ryan Mathews 13 K Robbie Gould 12 DEF Tampa Bay 7 B Greg Jennings 8 B Steve Johnson 9 B Isaac Redman 11 B Zach Sudfeld

first 8 rounds are nice. think isaac redman was a mistake. news out that bell is trying to make it back by week 2 even. probably week 3 or 4 though. but even though redman is the "starter" i do expect dwyer and stephens howling to get a bunch of touches and eat into his projections. redman is at best like a 13th rounder

12 team league with standard scoring except there are bonuses for eclipsing 300/400 yards passing, and 100/150 yards rushing/receiving

I picked 2nd

7 QB Michael Vick
1 RB Doug Martin
3 RB MJD
4 WR Reggie Wayne
5 WR Antonio Brown
2 TE Jimmy Graham
6 RB/WR Cecil Shorts
15 K Dan Bailey
13 D Pittsburgh

8 BN Leveon Bell
9 BN Vincent Brown
10 BN Lance Moore
11 BN Bryce Brown
12 BN Vick Ballard
14 BN Philip Rivers

I know everyone is going to hate my QBs but I think both of my QB's are decent value QBs at their position. (Yes I'm a Chargers fan.) Besides that do you have any comments?

On September 03 2013 23:28 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 22:23 djforever wrote: I think I drafted better in the third draft. 12 team league I picked 6th. 6 QB Matt Ryan 1 RB Ray Rice 3 RB Frank Gore 2 WR AJ Green 4 WR Danny Amendola 10 TE Jared Cook 5 WR/RB Ryan Mathews 13 K Robbie Gould 12 DEF Tampa Bay 7 B Greg Jennings 8 B Steve Johnson 9 B Isaac Redman 11 B Zach Sudfeld first 8 rounds are nice. think isaac redman was a mistake. news out that bell is trying to make it back by week 2 even. probably week 3 or 4 though. but even though redman is the "starter" i do expect dwyer and stephens howling to get a bunch of touches and eat into his projections. redman is at best like a 13th rounder

I thought Pitt dropped Dwyer?

And here's another question for a different league (standard scoring, no PPR):

Antonio Brown vs Ten, Jordy Nelson vs SF, or Rashard Mendenhall vs Stl for flex position?

On September 03 2013 23:58 djforever wrote: Show nested quote + On September 03 2013 23:28 Daut wrote:   On September 03 2013 22:23 djforever wrote: I think I drafted better in the third draft. 12 team league I picked 6th. 6 QB Matt Ryan 1 RB Ray Rice 3 RB Frank Gore 2 WR AJ Green 4 WR Danny Amendola 10 TE Jared Cook 5 WR/RB Ryan Mathews 13 K Robbie Gould 12 DEF Tampa Bay 7 B Greg Jennings 8 B Steve Johnson 9 B Isaac Redman 11 B Zach Sudfeld first 8 rounds are nice. think isaac redman was a mistake. news out that bell is trying to make it back by week 2 even. probably week 3 or 4 though. but even though redman is the "starter" i do expect dwyer and stephens howling to get a bunch of touches and eat into his projections. redman is at best like a 13th rounder I thought Pitt dropped Dwyer?

yea brainfarted, meant felix jones

On September 03 2013 23:52 Pacifist wrote: 12 team league with standard scoring except there are bonuses for eclipsing 300/400 yards passing, and 100/150 yards rushing/receiving I picked 2nd 7 QB Michael Vick 1 RB Doug Martin 3 RB MJD 4 WR Reggie Wayne 5 WR Antonio Brown 2 TE Jimmy Graham 6 RB/WR Cecil Shorts 15 K Dan Bailey 13 D Pittsburgh 8 BN Leveon Bell 9 BN Vincent Brown 10 BN Lance Moore 11 BN Bryce Brown 12 BN Vick Ballard 14 BN Philip Rivers I know everyone is going to hate my QBs but I think both of my QB's are decent value QBs at their position. (Yes I'm a Chargers fan.) Besides that do you have any comments?

theres nothing wrong with vick+committee, but see no reason to roster rivers. i think there are 10 better QB you can use in a committee: dalton, smith, schaub, eli, ben, bradford, flacco etc. unreal to get graham/MJD that late

On September 04 2013 01:07 Pacifist wrote: And here's another question for a different league (standard scoring, no PPR): Antonio Brown vs Ten, Jordy Nelson vs SF, or Rashard Mendenhall vs Stl for flex position?

in non PPR there arent many WR that are going to be better than a starting running back. i go mendenhall.

if i had to project their lines:
mendenhall 80 total yards, .5 td
brown 60 yards .5 td
jordy 60 yards .5 td

peyton manning lol...

Daut I just had one other quick question:

Week 1, should I start Eddy Lacy @ SF or Ryan Matthews playing vs HOU @ home? Neither seems to have a favorable matchup and they're both projected 9 points in our league