Arrogant people

well i'd take the approach of the philosopher A.J.Ayer when he confronted Mike Tyson.

Taken from his wiki page:

'At a party that same year held by fashion designer Fernando Sanchez, Ayer, then 77, confronted Mike Tyson who was forcing himself upon the (then) little-known model Naomi Campbell. When Ayer demanded that Tyson stop, the boxer said: "Do you know who the fuck I am? I'm the heavyweight champion of the world," to which Ayer replied: "And I am the former Wykeham Professor of Logic. We are both pre-eminent in our field. I suggest that we talk about this like rational men". Ayer and Tyson then began to talk, while Naomi Campbell slipped out.'[16]

Seems to have worked well, Mike Tyson is pretty wise these days.

I'm soft spoken but with a booming voice, or so im told. When i debate with someone who's being rash, lying, or incorrect, the truth hurts their ego and the conversation becomes heated resulting in shouting, then i get nervous and my ability to communicate lessens, and i just end up listening to verbal vomit, and some times just ending the conversation by agreeing with something that's obviously wrong.

i'd start by not being a pussy

In the situation I was recently in, I would have been told that I was lying about my credence (not sure if that word is being used properly) and his argument would have been, "well why aren't you successful" then i'd have to explain something unrelated, which would have been deflected further and so on. I'm getting really pissed about my ineffectiveness to communicate with some people.

How can I work on this?

On October 22 2013 19:21 Skoal wrote: i'd start by not being a pussy

lol

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First explain ur not trying to attack them. I think the problem with arguments is that some people tend to view them as a battle. They are not supposed to be battles with victors and losers, just conversations where two people should try to walk away with a better understanding about the world.

When he asks, 'why arn't you successful' If you are unsuccessful, explain to him why. You could also challenge his pre-conceived notion of what success is though, since it is likely you both have two different definitions of success.

if you can't work around it this way, then your fucked, i don't know any better way to argue.

troll them










troll them hard

Stoggoz, good comment!

I end up shitting on him cause i get pissed. Then i get pissed at myself for letting him get me pissed and then shitting on him.

Poo everywhere.

Close my eyes and walk away. Like, seriously, nigga, it's a computer. Just turn off the screen and walk away Haha.

Also, give him rope to hang himself with. If you're quiet, and he's loud, accentuate that. People will notice and start to side with you. Once you have people on your side, they'll twist the truth for you, or simply state the truth.

I wish it was a conversation on the internet, but it wasn't. I need him to agree with me, not be win over a crowd.

I think i would have shipped it in an unbiased crowd

If he's going to outshout you, you have to outshout him for him to even hear you. You don't have to actually shout, just get everyone else to say the same thing. Why do you need him to agree with you? You're not going to be able to change everyone's minds.

On October 22 2013 19:22 GameOverNoob wrote: "well why aren't you successful" then i'd have to explain something unrelated, which would have been deflected further and so on. I'm getting really pissed about my ineffectiveness to communicate with some people.

Sounds to me like you need to surround yourself with better people in your life. Very few successful people would hold this kind of an argument with you so that's probably what confuses you when said person calls you unsuccessful. pot kettle imo

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On October 22 2013 19:16 Stroggoz wrote: well i'd take the approach of the philosopher A.J.Ayer when he confronted Mike Tyson. Taken from his wiki page: 'At a party that same year held by fashion designer Fernando Sanchez, Ayer, then 77, confronted Mike Tyson who was forcing himself upon the (then) little-known model Naomi Campbell. When Ayer demanded that Tyson stop, the boxer said: "Do you know who the fuck I am? I'm the heavyweight champion of the world," to which Ayer replied: "And I am the former Wykeham Professor of Logic. We are both pre-eminent in our field. I suggest that we talk about this like rational men". Ayer and Tyson then began to talk, while Naomi Campbell slipped out.'[16] Seems to have worked well, Mike Tyson is pretty wise these days.

Mike Tyson is probably the person i know that has intelectually evolved the most in my life, he went from a beligerent retard to quite an insightful man, that rarely happens.

Actions speak louder than words