Long fucking life update. Wont delete - Page 2

On December 18 2013 16:14 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2013 10:17 whamm! wrote: Im the old3st here aside from thor so listen to me. Poker will get you nowhere. If money is the only thing important to you then good, keep playing. But it will steal your youth in exchange for cash you wont bother to keep. It was never meant to be played for a living Man I love playing poker and I make barely average (Czech) salary grinding what people call the sewers. Poker gives you total freedom, the problem is what most people do with it that makes it a bad profession and their lives turn to worse. I always had the creeping feeling like uni, getting a serious GF 2nd month there and office jobs is what stole my youth and now I'm finally re-living it.* *Sales was fun tho, just takes over your life way more than poker does. And uni and finishing it was fun too I guess. Probably cause poker paid for my food lol. And I ended with studying behavioral economics that kinda naturally lead to poker. But that's online poker where you can play high volumes whenever the hell you want and use poker as a tool for a great life. Live MTT without sponsorship probably doesn't work that way because of less freedom and because it's pretty much gambling cause long run never comes. Maybe should have moved to Canada Seobombisgay? :D

I considered moving to Canada but it was such a huge commitment. Moving out of the country is just too much for me. I'm a pretty lazy guy.

nice read! you have valid points, lemon has too, everything has positive and negative sides

but LIVE MTTs probably has only negative

dude poker suxs. congrats on the job. and congrats on graduating from carnegie melon

why would you be ashamed of stealing food from a chain supermarket who gives a fuck? you know they factor theft into the price of the food right? someone has to realize that edge and you aren't hurting anyone at all.

Also

you know if you are having trouble getting a job because you are overqualified you can just leave the fact that you BSd at carnegie off your application...

And finally

Why on earth would you luckbox a 30k bankroll in 2 MTTs and then dust it off on more dumb MTTs. You coulda easily taken that money and grinded a nice living at incredibly soft 2/5 games if you have half a brain (which obviously you do). live and learn. I wouldn't blame it on poker though really you just decided to play the worst variation of poker possible

On December 18 2013 21:42 Seobombisgay wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2013 16:14 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On December 18 2013 10:17 whamm! wrote: Im the old3st here aside from thor so listen to me. Poker will get you nowhere. If money is the only thing important to you then good, keep playing. But it will steal your youth in exchange for cash you wont bother to keep. It was never meant to be played for a living Man I love playing poker and I make barely average (Czech) salary grinding what people call the sewers. Poker gives you total freedom, the problem is what most people do with it that makes it a bad profession and their lives turn to worse. I always had the creeping feeling like uni, getting a serious GF 2nd month there and office jobs is what stole my youth and now I'm finally re-living it.* *Sales was fun tho, just takes over your life way more than poker does. And uni and finishing it was fun too I guess. Probably cause poker paid for my food lol. And I ended with studying behavioral economics that kinda naturally lead to poker. But that's online poker where you can play high volumes whenever the hell you want and use poker as a tool for a great life. Live MTT without sponsorship probably doesn't work that way because of less freedom and because it's pretty much gambling cause long run never comes. Maybe should have moved to Canada Seobombisgay? :D I considered moving to Canada but it was such a huge commitment. Moving out of the country is just too much for me. I'm a pretty lazy guy.

Yeah, thing is once you start travelling/move a couple times you get surprised how little commitment it actually is. As long as you don't have your own family.
And it's most likely much less about laziness and more about fear/lack of self esteem/fear of the unknown. Once you do it a couple times you see moving is no big deal.
I moved abroad few months after I hit 18 so I'd have it easier. If the local government shut down online poker right now it would hardly take me more than a couple weeks to move somewehere else

is there anyone at all who quit poker and felt bad about it? its the perfect choice

i mean here is what happens 99.9% of the time with ppl

1. u get good money of off it and keep playing, but still feel bad, no friends, happiness, meaning of life
2. u dont get good money and keep playing =complete misery
3. u dont get good money, and quit for good=happiness

^ And yet we still play the game. :D effing awesome

On December 19 2013 05:49 dnagardi wrote: is there anyone at all who quit poker and felt bad about it? its the perfect choice i mean here is what happens 99.9% of the time with ppl 1. u get good money of off it and keep playing, but still feel bad, no friends, happiness, meaning of life 2. u dont get good money and keep playing =complete misery 3. u dont get good money, and quit for good=happiness

None of you guys actually enjoy playing poker? Is this a poker site :D

On December 18 2013 18:38 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On December 18 2013 17:48 Romm3l wrote: lemon how long do you think you'll play poker for, what age do you think you might be when it's time to move on and how much do you hope to have saved by then? I have goals spanning max 1 year and not going beyond that as the industry is so turbulent. There's hardly any opportunity cost being attached as with poker I'm getting back into shape, can maintain a sports career and actively work every day on a personal effectiveness, and is one of the few jobs that allows me to stay close to my family so anything saved will be a nice bonus. Poker is kinda bad if you want to build a "standard" career where progressing to higher levels takes years and years. Tried those, didn't like them so alternatives for me are sales or trading, and in both it's easy to get in, and ability to deliver is way more important than a long CV. I also dont' want my own family until late 30s. So as long as I feel I am moving forward in poker, but also in personal effectiveness I probably won't feel the need to quit. But I dunno man, I was the oldest 21 year old in the world , had a serious relationship, instead of partying read Financial times daily, Gentlemen Quarterly every month, mostly talked with professors and 35y+old coworkers in my 9-6 about food and auditing and life stories. Call it 26y old midlife crisis but right now pokering, competitive sports, gym, amateur psychology studies and going out with buddies and hanging out with family and watching family guy seems like living the dream to me. P.S. Also, don't underestimate the variance of the "real world" in poker at the tables you have certainty, It's 52 cards finite number of combinations. Dealing with variance is part of the game. That's not how most of real life works. For me accepting a job in Czech Republic after living for 7 years in the UK would be gambling compared to the steady poker job at micros that I have xD

fair enough. sounds like a very fun lifestyle in the present for sure. by all accounts enjoying ur youth instead of sacrificing it for speculative later 'success' is probably the way to go.

still, as u get older u might find the life that was cool/fun in ur 20s is no longer acceptable in ur 30s. I'm very close to 30 and this was the case for me. i had to make some big and uncomfortable changes lately.
how old are u btw?

26. Unless you have a family age shouldn't matter.
I have seen loads of people changing careers including people in finance leaving at 50 to open an organic farm, people from marketing opening cake shops or my mum a teacher who quit at 48 or something to go to accounting -,-

Also poker isn't sacrificing your fture success unless it's one of the one careers where hierarchy and time spent is more important than performance.
I work on personal effectiveness 300% more than I would in any other job - if you use the freedom you have for exercise, working on healthy mindset and positive approach towards life instead of doing nothing/playing online games poker allows you to improve your ability to perform in other aspects of your life.

the reason is that in a 9-5 job nobody cares if you are fat and miserable and take a nap at your desk her and there as long as you can deliver your average results you keep your job.
In poker all those things cost you money and hurt your career. Like I enjoy poker because I actively take steps every day to live a happier life - be it exercising whenever I feel bad, hanging only with positive people, listening to my brainwash feel good motivational tapes when I'm down, not getting wasted *as often* as I would in a normal job.

Kinda think of it, enjoying poker takes a lot of hard work but it's definitely worth it and the hard work is not lost but makes you a better person too.

no doubt.. but when you've worked hard on your fitness and personal effectiveness and whatnot, and decide ur now ready at age 35 to move on from poker and conquer the world. even if at that time you're smarter, fitter, more able to perform than everyone, u can't just roll up and get the kind of job that's going to be fitting for what you can do. you got to start at the bottom no matter what cause thats just how it is, and that is a bitter pill to swallow no? but if u started earlier and were trying to self improve hard and execute hard and got some decent experience and progression behind u, then u'd be in a much better place at 35. -- this isn't necessarily the position im convinced of, i'm just arguing this side of it for arguments sake and to see what you make of it.

ye I that's true, especially if you have a specific career in mind other than poker that you know you'd enjoy. But meh, these days it's so normal to skip jobs and change career directions that it doesn't rly bother me. Also for me 35 is like 9 years away for me, I always like change doubt I will be playing poker that long