right to die - Page 3

On April 06 2014 08:46 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2014 05:19 k4ir0s wrote:   On April 06 2014 04:54 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On April 06 2014 04:14 Loco wrote:   On April 05 2014 19:53 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah sure you seem to be a worthless person and what's even worse, you're a Candian... But I always found it weird for people to want to kill themselves - life is such a great resource who has the right to decide when to end it? Certainly not worthless scumbags that want to kill themselves in the first place like this here Joseph, no they don't Sir. So how about you consider your life as you know it to be over already, and instead dedicate every single remaining minute to invent the best ways to help other people, make them feel better and change their lives when your's is already over? People have no right over their own life and person? You are one dumb and sadistic motherfucker, no doubt about it. People already couldn't consent to have been given the life that they have and on top of that you want to bar the exit door and coerce people into living it when they're suffering enormously and just want out? Who do you think you are to impose your judgment of your life on that of others? You are nobody. You're a sheltered, blinkered uneducated dullard and what people choose to do with their own lives is their business, not yours. What next, you think abortion is wrong? Just how anti-freedom are you exactly? People like Joseph certainly should not have the right isn't that obvious? that's like saying teenagers going through the hell of puberty that get suicidal have the right people are not capable of seeing the problems they have realistically and put them into perspective they have most of their lives infront of them they are way WAY off the point of no help. In fact, they could be a great contribution as people that achieved great things went through hopeless times. I am not talking about someone terminally ill who had a long live is connected to machines is burden to family and has no chance of getting better I'll let you be the judge But people like Joseph? No sir. And he should be glad for people around him taking the right from him. WTF? It seems as if you've never encountered real emotional pain in your life.., or you're just living in ignorance? you have no business telling him he should feel grateful that people are taking away his will to die. Why should he continue suffering? Why not just end it right now? You must be assuming there's something wrong with death.. there's nothing wrong with it... life itself is a terminal illness, we wouldn't know life, without death. it's ridiculous that you'd compare someone in his situation, with a teenager going through puberty. It's likely Joseph's mental illness will go on for the rest of his life. This is preposterous, he has enough food to put in his mouth, has access to internet and the luxury of having time to post on forums this will be very close to a teenager in puberty, how can a person like this have issues that can't be overcome with hard work. I guess from the perspective of mankind it'd be actually beneficial if he did indeed kill himself in terms of future overpopulation issues etc. I guess if you take this perspective suicide should be indeed encouraged and people with e.g. migraine should have the right, suicide booths should be the way forward, for freedom!

Dam bro what are you talking about.

Seems like you think that since you have had a tough life and make the best of it that everyone else struggling should suck it up like you.

Joseph I'd recommend a mushroom trip (psilocybin) in a safe place with a friend or two watching over and maybe someone to go with you. It can work wonders on depression and give you an experience that can allow you to see your problems in another light. Possibly make them more manageable.

For example I was going through a rough patch years ago and ate an 1/8th ounce of some strong shrooms with one of my best friends in Santa Cruz for the first time. It was very powerful and I had some very lucid visions. I zoomed out from my body away from the city away from the earth and beyond out into the universe. I saw time spread infinitely in all directions. I saw myself as a speck on this rock in space only here for a flash in the pan. It really made me feel like all the drama in this world and all my problems meant nothing in the scope of things. I realized it would be best just to enjoy the short experience as best I could. There was a lot more to it than that. it is very hard to put that experience into words but that is the gist of it.

It wore off and I was happier than I had been and it lasted for weeks and ever since that insight has stuck with me and allows me to feel better when down.

On April 06 2014 15:32 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2014 12:26 bigredhoss wrote:   On April 06 2014 12:21 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On April 06 2014 10:28 bigredhoss wrote:   On April 06 2014 08:46 LemOn[5thF] wrote: This is preposterous, he has enough food to put in his mouth, has access to internet and the luxury of having time to post on forums this will be very close to a teenager in puberty, how can a person like this have issues that can't be overcome with hard work. THANK GOD ADEQUATE FOOD AND PERSONAL LUXURIES LIKE INTERNET PRECLUDE THE EXISTENCE OF MENTAL ILLNESS AND ABJECT MISERY + Show Spoiler + we did it Thank you! Finally someone gets it! So many pussies really so far here, you were given a gift just by being born in a country you were born in if you can get those things, time to put that into perspective with e.g. many African countries where mental illness is the least of people's issues. And if he really can do those things and do has the security when there were so many people that overcame 100x more difficulty and hopelessness and ended up living good lives or doing great things what makes him so special that his situation should be so bad that he'd have to kill himself? i think i just got re-trolled nah, he is just that stupid

I think so too

On April 06 2014 08:46 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 06 2014 05:19 k4ir0s wrote:   On April 06 2014 04:54 LemOn[5thF] wrote:   On April 06 2014 04:14 Loco wrote:   On April 05 2014 19:53 LemOn[5thF] wrote: Yeah sure you seem to be a worthless person and what's even worse, you're a Candian... But I always found it weird for people to want to kill themselves - life is such a great resource who has the right to decide when to end it? Certainly not worthless scumbags that want to kill themselves in the first place like this here Joseph, no they don't Sir. So how about you consider your life as you know it to be over already, and instead dedicate every single remaining minute to invent the best ways to help other people, make them feel better and change their lives when your's is already over? People have no right over their own life and person? You are one dumb and sadistic motherfucker, no doubt about it. People already couldn't consent to have been given the life that they have and on top of that you want to bar the exit door and coerce people into living it when they're suffering enormously and just want out? Who do you think you are to impose your judgment of your life on that of others? You are nobody. You're a sheltered, blinkered uneducated dullard and what people choose to do with their own lives is their business, not yours. What next, you think abortion is wrong? Just how anti-freedom are you exactly? People like Joseph certainly should not have the right isn't that obvious? that's like saying teenagers going through the hell of puberty that get suicidal have the right people are not capable of seeing the problems they have realistically and put them into perspective they have most of their lives infront of them they are way WAY off the point of no help. In fact, they could be a great contribution as people that achieved great things went through hopeless times. I am not talking about someone terminally ill who had a long live is connected to machines is burden to family and has no chance of getting better I'll let you be the judge But people like Joseph? No sir. And he should be glad for people around him taking the right from him. WTF? It seems as if you've never encountered real emotional pain in your life.., or you're just living in ignorance? you have no business telling him he should feel grateful that people are taking away his will to die. Why should he continue suffering? Why not just end it right now? You must be assuming there's something wrong with death.. there's nothing wrong with it... life itself is a terminal illness, we wouldn't know life, without death. it's ridiculous that you'd compare someone in his situation, with a teenager going through puberty. It's likely Joseph's mental illness will go on for the rest of his life. This is preposterous, he has enough food to put in his mouth, has access to internet and the luxury of having time to post on forums this will be very close to a teenager in puberty, how can a person like this have issues that can't be overcome with hard work. I guess from the perspective of mankind it'd be actually beneficial if he did indeed kill himself in terms of future overpopulation issues etc. I guess if you take this perspective suicide should be indeed encouraged and people with e.g. migraine should have the right, suicide booths should be the way forward, for freedom!

The only thing close to a teenager in puberty in this thread is you. You have the narrow-mindedness of a child. You think everything revolves around you and the way you see things because you're a sheltered idiot who has never gotten a dose of reality in his lifetime so far. If there was any fairness in the world it would be people like you who would get things like full-body paralysis or a brain-eating parasite the next time you go swimming outdoors, just so you can learn a thing or two about the life you think others should be grateful for when you know absolutely nothing about their living circumstances.

Let's kidnap Lemon and torture him every day for hours but give him enough food to survive and also allow him to access the internet and show him his post telling him he should be grateful for how good he has it.

Something I forgot to mention is that if Joseph is of sound mind, then his parents are totally in the wrong to keep him alive against his will. I don't know Joseph though, perhaps he is just attention whoring as others are saying, which is a possibility since I've seen him posting some totally trivial things on this website recently which don't seem to be in accordance with someone who has truly had enough of it all. I mean, once I'll have resolved that I want to kill myself, the last thing I'll want to do is come here to make a trivial post about Rainkhan's antics at the WSOP. If Joseph isn't of sound mind, then it is perfectly understandable that those who care about him would want to prevent him from harming himself and possibly others in the process. Also, Nembutal is very hard to get and I'm skeptical that someone who would manage to get it wouldn't manage to prevent others intercepting it. There is something fishy about this.

On April 07 2014 07:38 Loco wrote: Something I forgot to mention is that if Joseph is of sound mind, then his parents are totally in the wrong to keep him alive against his will. I don't know Joseph though, perhaps he is just attention whoring as others are saying, which is a possibility since I've seen him posting some totally trivial things on this website recently which don't seem to be in accordance with someone who has truly had enough of it all. I mean, once I'll have resolved that I want to kill myself, the last thing I'll want to do is come here to make a trivial post about Rainkhan's antics at the WSOP. If Joseph isn't of sound mind, then it is perfectly understandable that those who care about him would want to prevent him from harming himself and possibly others in the process. Also, Nembutal is very hard to get and I'm skeptical that someone who would manage to get it wouldn't manage to prevent others intercepting it. There is something fishy about this.

perhaps he is attention whoring? he is making a pathetic blog post and bitching how he cant kill himself.

the suicide dose is about 10 grams also which is a lot. Many times the dosage found in a pill for non-lethal therapeutic use

On April 06 2014 18:33 traxamillion wrote: Joseph I'd recommend a mushroom trip (psilocybin) in a safe place with a friend or two watching over and maybe someone to go with you. It can work wonders on depression and give you an experience that can allow you to see your problems in another light. Possibly make them more manageable. For example I was going through a rough patch years ago and ate an 1/8th ounce of some strong shrooms with one of my best friends in Santa Cruz for the first time. It was very powerful and I had some very lucid visions. I zoomed out from my body away from the city away from the earth and beyond out into the universe. I saw time spread infinitely in all directions. I saw myself as a speck on this rock in space only here for a flash in the pan. It really made me feel like all the drama in this world and all my problems meant nothing in the scope of things. I realized it would be best just to enjoy the short experience as best I could. There was a lot more to it than that. it is very hard to put that experience into words but that is the gist of it. It wore off and I was happier than I had been and it lasted for weeks and ever since that insight has stuck with me and allows me to feel better when down.

What kind of ass ignorant advice is this? Pretty stupid to recommend psychedelics to a mental health patient. The proper thing to do is to put Joseph in a mental institution and try out different schizophrenia medicines and see which one works. If he doesnt wanna go he should be put there against his will.

But shrooms have been determined to be extremely effective at helping the mental state of terminally ill patients.

didn't he become schizophrenic from doing lots of drugs? yet you guys are recommending more. rofl