Road to 100k, a brand new start

Best of luck

Gl hf

so sick you have access to all the italians on one pokerroom :D

gl hf

gl bro(toss)

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i have the "same goal" as to make 50k next year good luck dude, we starcraft players know how to proxy gate/rax/hatch (lol) motherfucking fish!


btw why not playing sitngos? since they scammed you, can't you just learn better sitngo game from somewhere else? you feel like cash game is the way to go? just curious.

iono too much about hansthegreat or the new deal u found but it sounds like you're trading 1 scam for another

Thanks for the support guys

On October 28 2014 20:38 kyd wrote: i have the "same goal" as to make 50k next year good luck dude, we starcraft players know how to proxy gate/rax/hatch (lol) motherfucking fish! btw why not playing sitngos? since they scammed you, can't you just learn better sitngo game from somewhere else? you feel like cash game is the way to go? just curious.

GL, I believe it's definitely possible as long as you do it the right way.
Regarding game choice, you make way less money with SNG, and I dig cash way more. Also being able to pee at the toilet and not inside bottles while you are tabling 40x is definitely a big plus.

On October 28 2014 20:55 mnj wrote: iono too much about hansthegreat or the new deal u found but it sounds like you're trading 1 scam for another

I see your point, and I had doubts of course at the beginning, especially after what happened. But I did my research, the poker school looked legit enough for me to trust them, and after I had a talk with Hans I felt like he had a very professional approach and great work ethics. I really believe it will work out this time, and I also really like Gordon and his no bullshit mindset. We are very much alike in that regard.

Hey cloud gl on the journey! I can see that you are a man with dedication! Haven't heard from you since the last post (the one you said you just started poker about 1 year ago), but you should start post hands here regularly, and I think you will also get some good help for free by people on LP And I would love to see your progress.

I have a question: How much do you think getting a coach is helping you compared to no coaching? With the volume you put in, do you think you would be able to get to the same level you are currently at just as fast, so you can maybe start getting coaching only after you start plateau'ing?

PS: you should stop by HomeStory Cup X and just crush SC2 pros on the poker table for funzies

On October 28 2014 21:36 lhr0909 wrote: Hey cloud gl on the journey! I can see that you are a man with dedication! Haven't heard from you since the last post (the one you said you just started poker about 1 year ago), but you should start post hands here regularly, and I think you will also get some good help for free by people on LP And I would love to see your progress. I have a question: How much do you think getting a coach is helping you compared to no coaching? With the volume you put in, do you think you would be able to get to the same level you are currently at just as fast, so you can maybe start getting coaching only after you start plateau'ing? PS: you should stop by HomeStory Cup X and just crush SC2 pros on the poker table for funzies

Hey mate thank you! Since I got into self improvement I figured getting coached is the fastest catalyst for improvement. You can learn so much from other people, especially if they are qualified, and I really don't mind giving a % of the money I earn to somebody that will speed up my whole learning process by a ton. It just seems a great investment to me, but of course many people also think differently on this matter, so it's highly subjective. One thing I really missed when I was a Starcraft 2 progamer was a coach, and I believe americans and europeans could easily beat korean players if they only had good guidance. It's just that important.
I will definitely start posting hands here (even though having a replayer and not just text would definitely be nice), I usually watch the ones with most comments and the feedback is definitely very useful.

Actually Take invited me to HSCX and I already booked the tickets a month ago and HSC is always a ton of fun. Though I am not sure I will go since I am really into poker atm, but perhaps I can take a last week off before I begin the coaching program (it's from 12 to 17 nov anyway as far as I remember). Getting money out of MoMaN would be perfect though. The guy is a hardcore gambler, he plays maniac at the table and would even bet 50€ on coinflips for 20 times in a row.

100k hands in 2 weeks.

wtf

gL yo~

Good luck !

(iG.ErlinGho from brood war if u remember, we battled a lot)

Don't set stupid goals (money, number of hands etc), try to learn something new everyday, analyze your play and your opponents, have proper sleep hygiene and sit to play only if you have desire for it (and desire for improving), not because you have to (coz of your goals). The coach is very important (it's sad your first one was a jerk) and will definitely help you a lot.

GLHF ClouD.

GL man I remember watching some of your games.

On October 29 2014 11:28 Expiate wrote: Don't set stupid goals (money, number of hands etc), try to learn something new everyday, analyze your play and your opponents, have proper sleep hygiene and sit to play only if you have desire for it (and desire for improving), not because you have to (coz of your goals). The coach is very important (it's sad your first one was a jerk) and will definitely help you a lot. GLHF ClouD.

The coaching program he's in expects you play like 48 hours a week so that's not gonna be possible. Good luck Cloud!

On October 29 2014 09:15 VanDerMeyde wrote: Good luck ! (iG.ErlinGho from brood war if u remember, we battled a lot)

Of course I rememer you Erling. I had a great time with you and Norts in my teens, and you were definitely the best terran I played in that period

On October 29 2014 11:28 Expiate wrote: Don't set stupid goals (money, number of hands etc), try to learn something new everyday, analyze your play and your opponents, have proper sleep hygiene and sit to play only if you have desire for it (and desire for improving), not because you have to (coz of your goals). The coach is very important (it's sad your first one was a jerk) and will definitely help you a lot. GLHF ClouD.

I know it's not for everyone, but if I take this as everybody else did I will be expected to have everybody's else results. Since I'm trying to do something out of the ordinary my commitment to poker has to follow in direct proportion. That's also the reason I got really good at Starcraft, I was obsessed and played a lot with less care for other things. It's just natural that if you want to get something you need to give something back.

On October 29 2014 12:43 Twisted wrote: Show nested quote + On October 29 2014 11:28 Expiate wrote: Don't set stupid goals (money, number of hands etc), try to learn something new everyday, analyze your play and your opponents, have proper sleep hygiene and sit to play only if you have desire for it (and desire for improving), not because you have to (coz of your goals). The coach is very important (it's sad your first one was a jerk) and will definitely help you a lot. GLHF ClouD. The coaching program he's in expects you play like 48 hours a week so that's not gonna be possible. Good luck Cloud!

Hey Twisted, great to see you! So many oldschool people here, it feels like the good times

yes i disagree also about "don't set stupid goals"

of course you want to learn something new every day. but even if you just learn one new thing every day for the rest of your life you will never run out of new things to learn anyway. it's also important to succeed to work hard as shit. i mean in any other field this is obvious, if you ask ma long how he learned ping pong he doesn't say well i practiced a little bit but mainly i woke up every day learned one move and then if i didn't feel 100% i watched tv... if you ask jaedong how he got good he won't say yeah i watched julyzerg play and my coach and i figured out some stuff he can do better i just practiced when i felt like it

pedagogically you can't just learn your skill up to like negreanu level in a vacuum and then start learning how to put the effort in. i mean yes you make mistakes but along the way it's more important to train yourself in the discipline of the specific thing you're doing.

i do believe in like the organic creativity of when you have a specific issue that you can just sit on it or work on something else or take a day off go to sleep wake up come back and your brain will have figured something out independent of you, but when you work hard it's just better

what i am saying is it's not just about learning the skill it's about learning how to learn the skill. and so you need to practice the skill but also you need to practice practicing so you get better at that so the productivity density of your time increases

tl;dr i mean even if you fail at a random goal you will have accomplished hopefully more than you would without the goal. anyway gl and gj getting out of your earlier bad arrangement

On October 29 2014 13:14 Santafairy wrote: yes i disagree also about "don't set stupid goals" of course you want to learn something new every day. but even if you just learn one new thing every day for the rest of your life you will never run out of new things to learn anyway. it's also important to succeed to work hard as shit. i mean in any other field this is obvious, if you ask ma long how he learned ping pong he doesn't say well i practiced a little bit but mainly i woke up every day learned one move and then if i didn't feel 100% i watched tv... if you ask jaedong how he got good he won't say yeah i watched julyzerg play and my coach and i figured out some stuff he can do better i just practiced when i felt like it pedagogically you can't just learn your skill up to like negreanu level in a vacuum and then start learning how to put the effort in. i mean yes you make mistakes but along the way it's more important to train yourself in the discipline of the specific thing you're doing. i do believe in like the organic creativity of when you have a specific issue that you can just sit on it or work on something else or take a day off go to sleep wake up come back and your brain will have figured something out independent of you, but when you work hard it's just better what i am saying is it's not just about learning the skill it's about learning how to learn the skill. and so you need to practice the skill but also you need to practice practicing so you get better at that so the productivity density of your time increases tl;dr i mean even if you fail at a random goal you will have accomplished hopefully more than you would without the goal. anyway gl and gj getting out of your earlier bad arrangement

I 100% agree with what you wrote. I remember watching this video a couple years ago and getting really inspired. Rule 5 is truly the most important of all http://www.riemurasia.net/video/6-Rules-of-success/101882

GL

You know, I remember in a HSP episode (or PAD) Doyle was asked if he played poker every day (Galfond maybe asked him, I am not sure). Doyle answer was that since he started playing poker the only days he skipped or took a break was when he was ill. This really made me think about how strong his inner motivation and dedication to the game was. All these years, poker changed so much, so drastically after the internet boom, and still he hasn't lost that passion.

And that should be a very good lesson for everyone who takes poker seriously - don't look at it like a short term goal set and achieve thing. If you want to play with the best, you should have that inner drive in you always.

Played 33k hands in the past 4 days, and while I'm in the midst of a huge downswing I'm really happy about my improvements and everything. I wish I could follow more than 4 zoom tables, but for now tabling too much would be more detrimental than anything

edit: these are my overall thoughts about Day4 that I wrote on BPC forum:
Day4 was great. Not because I won a lot of money, in fact it was my worst day ever at NL10 since I started poker. I am just happy I was able to play for 10 hours without tilting or getting sad about the downswing. I also feel like it will greatly help me in the long run, because losing is more stimulating towards improving, and I am putting a great deal of effort into studying when I’m not playing. I feel like poker will be great towards my lifelong goal of becoming the best version of myself, and I am really glad I chose this path

On October 28 2014 18:58 ClouD87 wrote: I'm going to play and study poker with all my passion and might and I will run towards my goal at the cost of killing myself. I just don't care anymore about RL, games, stupid shit and free time, all I desire at the moment is achieving the success I deserve and prove everyone I'm capable of great things at poker aswell.

haha i guess everyone here has felt this before. i dont exactly have life figured out but what i did find is that doing this turns into a chase for a fleeting feeling. if you manage to 'get there' you have this amazing feeling of winning and being good but it doesnt last long at all, and the chase resumes. in the beginning the chase itself is pretty good fun because there's a lot of novelty and rapid rate of improvement, but over the years the chase becomes increasingly unbearable and soul-crushing. enjoy the early years but don't expect lasting happiness to come out of this

On November 01 2014 09:08 Romm3l wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2014 18:58 ClouD87 wrote: I'm going to play and study poker with all my passion and might and I will run towards my goal at the cost of killing myself. I just don't care anymore about RL, games, stupid shit and free time, all I desire at the moment is achieving the success I deserve and prove everyone I'm capable of great things at poker aswell. haha i guess everyone here has felt this before. i dont exactly have life figured out but what i did find is that doing this turns into a chase for a fleeting feeling. if you manage to 'get there' you have this amazing feeling of winning and being good but it doesnt last long at all, and the chase resumes. in the beginning the chase itself is pretty good fun because there's a lot of novelty and rapid rate of improvement, but over the years the chase becomes increasingly unbearable and soul-crushing. enjoy the early years but don't expect lasting happiness to come out of this

I'm already happy, I don't need poker to become happier, but just to stay the way I am now.
What I am looking for is challenge and improvement. When it will be over with poker in a few years I will move to something else like I always did.

On November 01 2014 09:08 Romm3l wrote: Show nested quote + On October 28 2014 18:58 ClouD87 wrote: I'm going to play and study poker with all my passion and might and I will run towards my goal at the cost of killing myself. I just don't care anymore about RL, games, stupid shit and free time, all I desire at the moment is achieving the success I deserve and prove everyone I'm capable of great things at poker aswell. haha i guess everyone here has felt this before. i dont exactly have life figured out but what i did find is that doing this turns into a chase for a fleeting feeling. if you manage to 'get there' you have this amazing feeling of winning and being good but it doesnt last long at all, and the chase resumes. in the beginning the chase itself is pretty good fun because there's a lot of novelty and rapid rate of improvement, but over the years the chase becomes increasingly unbearable and soul-crushing. enjoy the early years but don't expect lasting happiness to come out of this

yeah but that's life

On November 02 2014 13:28 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On November 01 2014 09:08 Romm3l wrote:   On October 28 2014 18:58 ClouD87 wrote: I'm going to play and study poker with all my passion and might and I will run towards my goal at the cost of killing myself. I just don't care anymore about RL, games, stupid shit and free time, all I desire at the moment is achieving the success I deserve and prove everyone I'm capable of great things at poker aswell. haha i guess everyone here has felt this before. i dont exactly have life figured out but what i did find is that doing this turns into a chase for a fleeting feeling. if you manage to 'get there' you have this amazing feeling of winning and being good but it doesnt last long at all, and the chase resumes. in the beginning the chase itself is pretty good fun because there's a lot of novelty and rapid rate of improvement, but over the years the chase becomes increasingly unbearable and soul-crushing. enjoy the early years but don't expect lasting happiness to come out of this yeah but that's life

not necessarily.. plenty of research out there suggests you can get longterm lasting happiness from things like good relationships, helping others / positive societal contribution, etc etc.

might be hard to see if you're a young misfit gaming nerd (which sums up the typical background here), but there are likely to be more things that make life seem worthwhile than improving your own skill at games, beating others at games, and being recognised for your skills at games. there's also a good chance those other things create more longterm lasting happiness as well.

it doesn't have to be games but men need to be good at something

I say, go for 50k instead then put it all on red!

On November 03 2014 19:13 Poirier255 wrote: I say, go for 50k instead then put it all on red!

Right, and in case I lose I can just do everything from scratch again but faster with all the gained knowledge.
You sir are a genius.


edit: thinking about it, wouldn't casinos sue me if I win too much money?

On November 03 2014 20:17 ClouD87 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 03 2014 19:13 Poirier255 wrote: I say, go for 50k instead then put it all on red! edit: thinking about it, wouldn't casinos sue me if I win too much money?

Only if you're Ivey

Thanks guys!

I had my first introductive lesson today and I was super happy and excited. I am pumped and I see myself playing at the highest stakes in a few months from now!

We start from NL25. Hans did a great job helping me out in the short time he saw my game and it really helped me performing much better today than I did in the past days. I was able to play 9 hours while keeping high concentration and I will definitely do more meditation every day to have more energy for this.

Here are the reports and graph of today:






I’ll work and put more attention on my preflop game right now. I still feel I have a huge problem with deep stack pots and big pots in general, but I am sure we will fix it as soon as it needs to be adressed. See you guys in the next update!

Put the EV line as well

And moar updates :D

Days 2/3/4 are over and here is my second update. I am really happy with my game. Of course it's not the best and I'm not crushing the field but I was a big loser at NL25 just a while ago and I started playing cash exactly 10 weeks ago, so I am glad I am doing this good right now. I am learning a lot from Hans and he's putting a lot of work and effort into making me a great player, and this makes me grateful for having found such a great coach. I will keep working a lot on my game so I can soon display the results I want.
Overall I would say that, other than the challenge, I am having a lot of fun, which makes everything more interesting.
Here are reports and graph for days 2/3/4:





I'll keep you updated at the beginning of next week. My goal is to reach NL50 as soon as possible, and to do so I will need to have a good winrate at NL25 first. Let's see how the situation evolves in the next days!

On November 27 2014 08:41 napoleono wrote: Put the EV line as well And moar updates :D

All in EV? I will do it next time. What is the line supposed to mean exactly and how high should it be compared to winnings?

About the updates, I wanted to do them every day but I didn't know the coaching would be so intense and time consuming. I will do it twice a week though

Yeah, all-in EV. That shows how much you should have won based on your equity when going all-in. E.g. 100$ pot and you go all-in PF with AK vs underpair. Your expected winnings is ~45$.

On November 29 2014 15:10 napoleono wrote: Yeah, all-in EV. That shows how much you should have won based on your equity when going all-in. E.g. 100$ pot and you go all-in PF with AK vs underpair. Your expected winnings is ~45$.

Alright next one will be with the line

nice to hear, but dont update here, make new blog posts or nobody will be able to read unless they click POKER BLOGS ( nobody does i think )

gl

On November 30 2014 00:52 drone666 wrote: nice to hear, but dont update here, make new blog posts or nobody will be able to read unless they click POKER BLOGS ( nobody does i think ) gl

Thanks
I see your point and I agree on the visibility aspect, yet having things in a single thread looks way better to have a good report from start to finish, and I also don't think it's nice either for the other users to see a new blog post every 3 days with updates and graphs.

If you make 2 blogposts one after another, the older one will disappear. So its OK, imo, to make a new post each 3-4 days/1 week. We need some activity anyways

^ah yes the 2primenumbers feature

First week is over, and I am happy with my improvements. I feel like I'm proceding really fast and my game definitely got much better pre and post flop in the past 8 days.
That's exactly what I wanted and the reason I challenged myself, so I couldn't be more satisfied about it!

I have a long road ahead but I'm having so much fun learning and playing poker that I will forever remember this experience as one of the most epic of my life. I just need to prove myself I'm worth being the best, because in my head it's already happening, and it's just a matter of time.

Loved the coaching so far, I really needed some direction. I was studying GTO ranges before being able to beat NL25 and many of the concepts I learned before were way too advanced even for NL200. Now I'll just learn how to win the most against small stakes players, and when the time comes I'll grind all the GTO postflop ranges I need to know in my head as soon as I can.

The results are quite good judging that I expected doing slightly better than break even. Sample is little but still I like the numbers I was a big loser at NL25 just a month ago so I'm happy with how things are turning out. I will focus on improving my play rapidly so I will be able to say I can move on to NL50 by the end of the year!

Results & Graph:





That's it for this week guys, I'll update you about the progress of second week on thursday!

Update:
First half of week two is over, and it was a really important period for me. I faced a lot of tough spots, and I found out a serious leak I have calling rivers too lightly. I believe this comes from the fact I watched too many mid stakes videos, where players tend to have a higher bluff frequency on the river. I still have trouble folding 2pair+ when I absolutely need to.

I am happy about the hours played and the amount of study, and the not so good results of last 4 days truly stimulate me to get better to beat NL25. There's a lot of money to be won at this stake if played correctly, and I can become a lot better post flop before going to NL50. I still have 4 weeks to beat NL25, and I would like to enter NL50 already prepared to have a decent expected profit.

These are the reports and graphs for days 1-4 of week 2:

I think you should re-blog when ur blog goes down the viewed ones so people like me can continue watching X)

Week 2 is over. Even though I had to hit stoploss twice I still managed to play 49 hours and I studied an awful lot. I'm happy with my work and I am definitely going towards the right direction. The coaching is helping immensely and I'm glad I didn't choose to do this alone, because sometimes this game gets really confusing

I do have problems trying to play against NL25 regs though. It doesn't seem like they make much sense, and when I study hands I think I don't give them the ranges they actually have in the hands. Sometimes I find them doing stuff I would never ever expect, and I wonder how I should really approach this without reaching wrong conclusions.

Anyway I'm really happy with everything. Results aren't good but I believe I just had a bad week in terms of variance and got lots of coolers from fish especially. It's fine though, losing makes me hungrier for success :D and I have a total profit of about ~1k€ in the past 2 weeks anyway, so I am doing ok roll-wise, and I could easily move to NL50 once I'm ready.

Here are stats and reports for week 2:





I will also release a video of me playing during this week. I will commentate in italian, but you can still watch a couple minutes and have a laugh at my funny language.
Next update will be on thursday of week 3. See you guys soon

Update:
I'm halfway through Week 3, and I have two thoughts at this point:
First, I am experiencing an incredible improvement in my level of play and understanding of NLHE 6 handed, but at the same time my results are going downhill. I believe this happens to every poker player multiple times during their career, and the ones who manage to keep their head high and keep going strong are the ones who get to be the best. I am taking a hit in the last days, but I do not really care so much because I know short term results do not matter at all, and even if they did I'm understanding poker better and better every day, so at some point I will be sure to be a big time winner anyway if I keep going at this pace

Secondly, I see this as a life challenge and I believe it's a small trial I have to pass to be optimistic and enthusiastic even when things don't go my way. It's key to have this mindset if the purpose is growing as a mature man, and I definitely want to be the best I can offer, especially in this regard
I do believe that success could be right beyond any obstacle a person can find, and if you slow down or stop you might stop just a step before reaching it, and without even knowing. In fact, even taking this out of the picture, I'm incredibly proud of myself for all the hard work I'm putting into this, and this matters way more to me than anything else. I don't care if I don't have the incredible results of a poker genius right away, but I do care about giving it all and putting all of myself in doing what I want to do.

The live play session will be postponed because my current pc is going nuts. I got a new one that is under maintenance atm, soon the first live play will be available for watching

Here are stats and reports of the last 4 days:





Next update will be when week 3 is over. Loving poker so far, having a blast and lots of fun! See you guys on monday with the blog update!

Update:
Third week is past by now, and it was really important for me. I feel something clicked inside me in the last days, and I believe my understanding of poker went up one notch in this short time.
I did sacrifice some of my sleep and my free time to be able to play these hours, given I also reached stoploss twice and had to spend a lot of time to fix my new pc. It was worth it though, and I am improving rapidly. One of my strenghts is that I can think a lot about complex stuff but I have a hard time being interested in simpler things. Now I believe I have enough tools to enter the realm of what's interesting to me, and I can imagine my potential expanding my game in the near future to a level people haven't seen yet. In fact I believe now more than ever that I will become one of the best poker players in the world. There's nothing I want more than that.
I think I will be able to move to NL50 soon. Results this week weren't great but I'm sure that, without getting too many coolers, skillwise I am already more than capable of beating NL25 right now and mindset-wise I believe I'm miles ahead my competition. Let's see how quickly I can move to NL50
Here are results and graph for week 3:




Next update will be on thursday!

Considering the suggestions given here, I will make a new thread for every update and at the same time post on this thread the same text so we have a recent update and an overall view of the progress from this one.