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people ITT say fedor was not on roids because of physique, then say GSP was also not on roids.



clearly its different %s for everyone. im about 100% sure on randy/anderson/wanderlei/etc. its much closer to 50/50 with fedor/gsp, but i would still bet on them using at some point if it was somehow verifiable.

dunno why everyone is so fervently defending fedor. an undersized guy who was by far the best fighter in an organization where everyone was allowed to roid, and nobody thinks he ever used?

and same for GSP. in a stacked division full of killers, he was the fittest and most athletic and outfought all of them for years. i dunno, i just think its more likely he did something than otherwise. def not 100% on either guy, but to be shocked or surprised if people think they more than likely did seems harsh.

Overeem was on steroids and Josh Barnett was on steroids. One is ripped as fuck while the other one has always been a "fat." Not all steroids make you look like a Greek god.

No idea if Fedor ever used steroids, what I care about is that he didn't get caught. P4P best piss test taker~

*Pacquiao - 40lbs of pure muscle since starting out his pro career?!?
*Marquez - mustve taken a triple dose vs Pac, KOs him in the 2nd and that nasty last one, has skin breakouts, huge ass neck too.

All these superhero physique guysalso, fuckin Cuba)



People talk about being an Olympian as if it's some kind of pass lolol olympians are the worst imo(Coleman, randleman etc etc)

those three guys could fight each other, and they belong in three differrent weight classes, weight cutting is so bullshit it needs to be revamped

Those 3 are also short as fuck when compared to other people in their weight class.

Yoel Romero (5'10) started as a light heavyweight, and now fights at middleweight. He'd still do okay against some of the top 10 at light heavyweight, but he wouldn't be able to crush the top 3, imo.

Hector Lombard (5'9) is a former middleweight, and now fights at welterweight. He was forced to move down by the UFC, or else they were gonna cut him. He was losing because of his size at middleweight (1-2).

Thiago Alves (5'9) is a welterweight, and he'd get crushed if he fought at middleweight. Also, he's always injured and his cardio isn't that great in the 3rd round.

On February 05 2015 23:08 Daut wrote: people ITT say fedor was not on roids because of physique, then say GSP was also not on roids. clearly its different %s for everyone. im about 100% sure on randy/anderson/wanderlei/etc. its much closer to 50/50 with fedor/gsp, but i would still bet on them using at some point if it was somehow verifiable. dunno why everyone is so fervently defending fedor. an undersized guy who was by far the best fighter in an organization where everyone was allowed to roid, and nobody thinks he ever used? and same for GSP. in a stacked division full of killers, he was the fittest and most athletic and outfought all of them for years. i dunno, i just think its more likely he did something than otherwise. def not 100% on either guy, but to be shocked or surprised if people think they more than likely did seems harsh.

Sylvia, Josh Barnett, Royce, Bigfoot, Leben, Sean McCorkle. That's just off the top of my head with fighters who were on roids that didn't have impressive physiques. It's super common at HW especially. These guys aren't just lifting super heavy weights like normal huge guys on roids.

I'd kinda bet on Fedor being off roids because he came from absolutely nothing. Some random shithole russian town in some random shitty gym that looked poor as shit. They did conditioning at playgrounds and their gym looked like some abandoned room from chernobyl. I think it's less likely he had access to good drugs at the beginning of his career where he looked as good as he ever did than say a GSP/Aldo. That said I literally have no idea how hard it is to have access to the good drugs.

On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote: if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too? i think it comes down to a few things. 2) everyone else is using them 3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter 4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it

I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?

On February 04 2015 18:21 tomson wrote: I'm surprised people are surprised. I'd assume everyone without exception competing at that level is on some sort of drug/steroid, am I wrong?

Pretty sure you are right. I mean, maybe I wouldn't say without exception but enough that the surprise should be if someone isnt using anything rather than that they are.

Also, I find myself caring almost none at all that he was caught using.. Maybe it's because I'm not a super Silva fan (dont dislike him or anything and I think he is/was amazing, just no personal attachment... and I mean, after I saw Weidman has Starcraft 2 on his computer how can I not support him instead).

The arguments some people make that 'steroids are more serious in fighting cuz you're out there trying to hurt eachother' just rings hollow to me.. I'm pretty sure Dan Henderson was safer out there on TRT than without. I'm pretty sure there's a lot of matchups made constantly that are significantly more unsafe for one party, than the additional risks posed by someone being on the juice.

Anyhow, only thing that sucks it that it will tarnish his legacy a bit.

On February 06 2015 12:47 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 04 2015 19:48 Daut wrote: if you were an up and coming fighter, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were a middling fighter, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were an older fighter trying to stay competitive, why wouldnt you use roids? if you were a champion facing challengers who are all on roids, why wouldnt you use them too? i think it comes down to a few things. 2) everyone else is using them 3) it helps you recover faster, train harder and makes you a better fighter 4) the rewards outweigh the risks, and most people get away with it I would just like to voice my opinion that this is disgusting garbage. I'm going to print it out and take a smelly hangover dump on said paper. What the fuck? You actually believe that shit or trolling ?

What's so wrong about this? I think it's pretty accurate... Personally I wouldn't use, but that's more of a personal choice and not really because I think it's cheating (it is cheating due to current rules, and so I wouldn't use them, but I think the current rules should possibly be changed, it just seems like fighting a losing battle). More because I vaguely distrust drugs not to change... I dont know, change something about who I am, and I like who I am

50 years from now, do you realistically think PEDs will still be banned? I think we'll look back at the ban as quaintly misguided...

I don't know, just feels inevitable.

The moral compass is broken.
Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".

On February 06 2015 16:33 cariadon wrote: The moral compass is broken. Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning".

im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it.

but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks.

i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible.

i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point.



the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!

NAC executive director Bob Bennett has decided to overturn Silva's victory. In light of the failed drugs test the bout result will now be changed to a no contest which could have massive financial repercussions for Silva.

Speaking to Brazilian newspaper Folha Bennett said :

'Yes, it will be ruled a NC (no contest). I don't know if he will receive the win bonus after this change. That's UFC's call, but a percentage of his purse will be held because of this episode.'

Too bad Diaz will be fined hard for smoking weed. This could've been the perfect result for him if he got to keep all $500k of his prize purse.

On February 06 2015 16:45 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2015 16:33 cariadon wrote: The moral compass is broken. Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning". im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it. but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks. i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible. i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point. the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed!

It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better.

What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice.

The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.

One reason I think Fedor probably didn't use steroids is that maybe 7-8 years back when Overeem was considered an absolute beast, Fedor was requesting for Olympic level steroid testing as a condition to getting a fight to happen. It would be kind of a weird thing for a fighter that actually is on roids to say, unless you believe Fedor was actually ducking Overeem.

On February 06 2015 20:34 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On February 06 2015 16:45 Daut wrote:   On February 06 2015 16:33 cariadon wrote: The moral compass is broken. Pretty sure there is some logical fallacy at work with the line of "reasoning". im pro PED. i think its an arbitrary line in the sand. athletes are allowed to take supplements that mimic the effects of taking testosterone without actually being exogenous testosterone. if something can be done in a safe manner that helps people be the best version of themselves, i dont have a problem with them using it. but it is against the rules in the UFC. im not saying i think fighters should break those rules and use, im just saying, if you were a fighter and put in a position where guys all around you are using and gaining a large competitive advantage, and you are falling behind them all, why wouldnt you do it if you believed it to be safe and effective? no matter where you are in your career, i think the rewards outweigh the risks. i was actually pretty unfair to GSP and may rethink my 1:1 bet on him using at some point. he had a LOT to lose by being caught in a time period where almost nobody was caught. maybe he was just more athletic, faster and able to train harder than all the other guys who were using roids in his division. im not being snarky with that statement, it very well could be possible. i just think its insane that most people believe fedor didnt use something at some point. the best fighter in the organization that allows and encourages roid use, where everyone else is using, yet he never once did? was he even brought up in an anti-steroid atmosphere? it seems unbelievable that he would just shake his head no whenever offered when it wasnt against the rules. it wouldnt even be a knock on him, he was doing something that was allowed! It is how you word it that makes me have a problem. Others being on PEDs and not getting caught isn't a valid reason or excuse to be using it. Not getting caught is the fault of testing. What should be allowed/disallowed, how often to test, punishment etc. can and should be regulated better. What about when your career is over? Your choice will stick with you for life. If it is ok and you can live with that on your conscious, fine. It'd be interesting to guesstimate how many caught cheats truly, honestly regret their choice. The elite fighters are really the best of the best. I believe one guy can dominate others in his weightclass as a combination of having everything going for you - genetics, not getting injured, etc and luck. You go unbeaten for 20 fights and be hailed as the GOAT and best p4p fighter of all time, i don't find it improbable enough to call PED use. Just one guy getting the better of others at the top, happens all the time everywhere. Was Genghis Khan on PEDs? No, he just loved to watch the world burn. Some are put on this earth to destroy shit.

not saying just cause everyone else is doing it. i personally am not ethically against PEDs, if someone is confident its not harmful to their body long term, will improve their overall life and their career, why not do it? sure its against the rules, but those are always in flux and i agree with tianyuan that theyll eventually change.

an analogy is playing on stars from the USA. something ive never done and regret never doing. wasted so much money traveling back and forth to canada and missed out on tons of value by being able to play from home, i dont fault a single person for doing it and wish i did myself. i kinda look at controlled and safe PED usage as the same thing.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/2/6/7...of-16-drug-test-suspended-nine-months

jon fitch fails drug test for elevated testosterone. CIR test confirmed results. hes someone i would have thought was clean, mainly because he switched to being a vegan a few years back and seemed like a straight up guy.

I would say Fedor didn't use steroids.

Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style.

He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.

On February 06 2015 23:47 Minsk wrote: I would say Fedor didn't use steroids. Look at his body, he didn't really have much muscle or testosterome. He had a lot of inner body strength, don't see why he would use steroids nor did I see the effects on him. He really had no use for them, they don't benefit his style. He won off inner body strength that comes from lifting tractor tires. Big muscles would only slow him down, excess testosterome would only make him more reckless.

This is Josh Barnett, former UFC heavyweight champion. He failed two drug tests during his first run with the UFC; once in the beginning of his UFC career, and another time after he won the UFC heavyweight title. Barnett has always had a lot of inner body strength.

He clearly looks like hes on steroids to me...look at his pudginess trying to be compressed by the steroids.

I believe Fedor didn't use roids ever, simply because, Fedor.

Im the biggest Fedor fan ever but being objective there is still a pretty good chance he did steroids, just look a Dauts pics ffs.

I would also bet 1:1 that GSP has used steroids too.

I also agree with Daut that steroids should be allowed, they are only forcing this ridiculous rule where 90% are doing it anyway and are creating an art passing tests while the other 10% are forced to either eventually cave in or simply being in a great disadvantage.

Ive seen 3 different statements from MMA gym owners about steroids, one said 98% use, another 90% and another just said "everyone", these are his literal responses, obviosly arent statistical numbers but just their way to say pretty much everyone uses them.