UFC 200: Cormier vs. Jones 2 - Page 3

On June 24 2016 02:46 Floofy wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2016 01:16 Stim_Abuser wrote: Not sure why everyone is so down on Hendricks. He easily should of beat Robbie in their 2nd fight. Yes he looked bad against Wonderboy, but Wonderboy looks far and away the best fighter at WW. I think Wonderboy will make Robbie look like an amateur as well. I used to think like you, and then i read Firas Zahabi's analysis and i kinda changed my mind. Essentially what he said is, Hendricks was A LOT smaller when he fought WOnderboy, than when he fought GSP. Hendricks was probably the heaviest WW, and with the IV4 ban, he had to get smaller. But being smaller also means being weaker... Zahabi is essentially saying that, if the Hendricks who fought Wonderboy shows up, Gastlelum should even have the egde in wrestling. On the other hand, if the Prime Hendricks shows up, then he should have the edge. So essentially the correct play should be to wait for weight ins and see how Hendricks looks. Zahabi also hinted that Hendricks most likely was on peds (and we know GSP claimed that many times too), and right now, everything leads to believe its very possible he was.

I think that fight was more of a result of Hendricks not being able to cut off and corner Wonderboy than it was him not being strong enough. I mean, he was only able to get his hands on him once. But maybe if he was bigger he would be able to take him down that one time, who knows. But lets remember that Wonderboy also stuffed all of Rorys takedowns and even took Rory down once, so Wonderboys TDD is legit super good at this point.

I do think it's possible Hendricks is coming off the sauce though.

But yea Hendricks didn't really have the footwork, speed or head movement to beat Wonderboy. He was just eating shots at range all day and couldn't catch him. Don't think him being bigger would of changed that much. But then again maybe he would of completed that takedown.

On June 24 2016 10:32 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2016 01:09 Stim_Abuser wrote: Cormier vs Jones = hard fight to call. Jones looked horrible in his last fight imo, and their first fight was close enough that I think if Jones isn't at his best Cormier will probably beat him. People say Jones was just rusty which is possible, but he was only out a lil over a year and he was never injured or rehabbing, he was training the whole time. So 100% Jones I think the odds are good, but if his mental game is off I think it's really close. Lesnar vs Hunt = I'm surprised everyones dumping money on Hunt. Do you really think he can stop a lesnar double? Hunt has faced 1 good wrestler in the UFC and it was Stipe, who put a horrible mauling on him. Lesnar has been retired and old, but the dudes wrestling is still probably great. Then again, look how bad Fedor looked. Frankie vs Aldo = Their first fight was really close, and it was Frankies first cut to 145. Since then I think Frankie has got much better and Aldo has declined. Got Frankie here. Cain vs Browne = Cain probably takes him down and mauls him. Wouldn't be too surprised if Travis lands something big and tko's him though. Hendricks vs Gastelum = Hendricks should probably beat him in a semi competitive decision. Even if Lesnar takes him down Mark Hunt remains being very dangerous when tired/hurt, he spends no energy at all he doesnt even block just shows the forehad against punches and looks for the left hook and Lesnar just needs one of those to crawl into a ball, also Lesnar poses no striking threat whatsoever to Hunt, so he can stand very heavy hands down making it very hard for Lesnar to take him down

I agree, but lets remember how much of an absolute monster Brock is on top of you. His BJJ looked great once on top, and he fucked dropped insane bombs as well. Hunts chin is obviously great but he's been tko'd 3 times. Albeit after taking a lot of damage from JDS and Stipe.

I'll just file this under I have no idea. Really depends on what form Brock is in. If he is anything like he was before though I'd have him as the favorite for sure.

On June 24 2016 20:54 Stim_Abuser wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2016 02:46 Floofy wrote:   On June 24 2016 01:16 Stim_Abuser wrote: Not sure why everyone is so down on Hendricks. He easily should of beat Robbie in their 2nd fight. Yes he looked bad against Wonderboy, but Wonderboy looks far and away the best fighter at WW. I think Wonderboy will make Robbie look like an amateur as well. I used to think like you, and then i read Firas Zahabi's analysis and i kinda changed my mind. Essentially what he said is, Hendricks was A LOT smaller when he fought WOnderboy, than when he fought GSP. Hendricks was probably the heaviest WW, and with the IV4 ban, he had to get smaller. But being smaller also means being weaker... Zahabi is essentially saying that, if the Hendricks who fought Wonderboy shows up, Gastlelum should even have the egde in wrestling. On the other hand, if the Prime Hendricks shows up, then he should have the edge. So essentially the correct play should be to wait for weight ins and see how Hendricks looks. Zahabi also hinted that Hendricks most likely was on peds (and we know GSP claimed that many times too), and right now, everything leads to believe its very possible he was. I think that fight was more of a result of Hendricks not being able to cut off and corner Wonderboy than it was him not being strong enough. I mean, he was only able to get his hands on him once. But maybe if he was bigger he would be able to take him down that one time, who knows. But lets remember that Wonderboy also stuffed all of Rorys takedowns and even took Rory down once, so Wonderboys TDD is legit super good at this point. I do think it's possible Hendricks is coming off the sauce though. But yea Hendricks didn't really have the footwork, speed or head movement to beat Wonderboy. He was just eating shots at range all day and couldn't catch him. Don't think him being bigger would of changed that much. But then again maybe he would of completed that takedown.

I never said Prime Hendricks would have beaten Wonderboy.
I think Wonderboy would have won regardless.
I'm just stating that Hendricks was clearly smaller than in his GSP fight. And being smaller does mean he was weaker.

Essentially my point (brought by Zahabi), is that Prime hendricks at -160 is a good bet against Gastlelum. But the Hendricks who fought Wonderboy would probably not be a favorite against Gastelum.

Zahabi seems very confident that Brock is going to demolish Hunto. Interesting.

On June 29 2016 07:08 northsails wrote: Zahabi seems very confident that Brock is going to demolish Hunto. Interesting.

AFAIK, Firas Zahabi is never wrong in the breakdowns he does for UFC fights, aside from picking Rory to win (I don't remember if he officially picked Rory in his video, but he thought training with Raymond Daniels would be enough to handle Wonderboy's style).

Brock has so much potential, we've seen it, he is quite the specimen. Hunt is great but I feel like he's reached his pinnacle or is near it. It's the age old question, does size and athleticism beat skill? Can't wait for this card..

On June 29 2016 07:08 northsails wrote: Zahabi seems very confident that Brock is going to demolish Hunto. Interesting.

Reads my posts ldo.

I just don't see how Hunto can stop the double. Only shot is he can survive long enough of a beat that brock gasses, or he nails him with an uppercut coming in.

Yeah after that video Im convinced too... and its not like Hunt can be absurdly anchored to the ground because Brock has a ridiculous reach advantage and can just jab with those huge firsts forcing hunt to open up

Anyone have any photos of Brock 2016? If he looks all saggy and soft, would this affect his athleticism? He is probably not the same Brock that fought in the UFC, do people really think he is an "improved" fighter all of a sudden? If so why?

On July 02 2016 22:30 jvilla777 wrote: Anyone have any photos of Brock 2016? If he looks all saggy and soft, would this affect his athleticism? He is probably not the same Brock that fought in the UFC, do people really think he is an "improved" fighter all of a sudden? If so why?

Posted by someone else: "Lesnar admitted to not having a full training camp and initially wanting to fight at UFC 205."

During Firas' breakdown on Hunt/Lesnar, he said he expects Lesnar not to have improved much at all in MMA skill since he has been busy with other stuff, and cardio might be an issue if he can't win in R1, but he still thinks Lesnar wins 70% of the time.

We'll know more by Tuesday, which is when Brock will likely arrive in Las Vegas. UFC always has a press conference the day b4 weigh-ins, which is on Thursday. So we'll be able to see Brock during that time, followed by UFC FN 90 later that day.

This coming week is gonna be so packed with UFC stuff. After UFC 200, there's another UFC event a few days later. There's 4 UFC cards in 6 days... xD

It's not like Brock has just been partying though. Wouldn't you need pretty damn good conditioning to do the WWE stuff?

On July 03 2016 17:58 Nazgul wrote: It's not like Brock has just been partying though. Wouldn't you need pretty damn good conditioning to do the WWE stuff?

WWE cardio isn't like MMA cardio.

In WWE, they take a lot of breaks and rest throughout the match, and they're not getting kicked in the body and punched in the face like in MMA. Also, Brock doesn't wrestle much throughout the year in the WWE, because he's a massive star and makes a ton of money -- I'm pretty sure he doesn't have more than 10 WWE matches per year, at least in 2015/2016.

Edit: Yeah, my guess was correct. In 2015, Brock had 8 WWE matches. In 2016, he has had 7 matches thus far: http://www.profightdb.com/wrestlers/brock-lesnar-346.html

does anyone think lesnar vs hunt is a coin flip?

oh man more of misha in bikini please :D

curious what impact cormier training with a healthy velasquez will have on the fight

On July 03 2016 17:58 Nazgul wrote: It's not like Brock has just been partying though. Wouldn't you need pretty damn good conditioning to do the WWE stuff?

He looks to be in great shape. iirc Brock was known for doing some long cardio intensive WWE matches back in the day and his cardio always looked good for a HW in MMA. I think his cardio will be fine, especially since most of his time will be spent in top position which isn't that taxing, and he shouldn't have to fight really hard for takedowns either.

On July 05 2016 16:52 CamilaPunt wrote: oh man more of misha in bikini please :D curious what impact cormier training with a healthy velasquez will have on the fight

Velasquez fights so different than Jones I dont think it should have a big effect, Velasquez is very good at chaining wrestling with boxing and Jones never does that.