On September 06 2016 16:02 spugru wrote:
day two without meat or dairy. I feel like shit. Headache and been really tired all day. Hope it doesn't last for too long. I try to eat properly this time, meaning not too much vegan junk food.
It's true that some foods can be low-grade addictions and there can be something along the lines of withdrawal symptoms and cravings for a few days, but I really don't believe in the "detox phase" that many people believe in. When I hear this I tend to think that you are not replacing those calories you were getting from meat and dairy adequately. It's typical when people switch from high calorie-dense foods to plant-based foods which tend to be calorie-dilute. Most plant-based foods contain a lot of water and fiber, so you need a lot more volume to take in the same amount of calories. Make sure you eat until you feel full, there is no reason to restrict calories with this way of eating.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On September 06 2016 16:02 spugru wrote:
day two without meat or dairy. I feel like shit. Headache and been really tired all day. Hope it doesn't last for too long. I try to eat properly this time, meaning not too much vegan junk food.
What are you eating spugru?
I did not really notice anything the first couple of days besides more farting. About a week in of zero meat and dairy and I am getting a better grasp on what I should be eating. I have been feeling pretty good and energized. It really can be as simple as sweet potato with some interest in the form of vegetables and fruit and some beans at some point. Cut out vegetable oils as much as possible and just cut out fats as much as possible. It has also been fun to work through these Blue Zone recipes. I also found this recipe for breakfast:
Stick with it spugru! I was worried about how I would feel and also would I recover from training and I feel just nicely full up of energy and glycogen all day long. Just a nice smooth burn. Better cognition. Better skin. Better hair. It has been kind of an adventure venturing through the large bulk section of beans and rice and seeds. I feel like some sort of sorcerer just carrying inventories of all this stuff throwing it into large vats of cooking whole foods. Way cheaper than buying single servings of grass fed ribeyes that is for sure. Hemp seeds are quite expensive though. Makes me want to go on a hemp rant but I don't want to get tooo vegan at this point. Take care man.
lol'd @ the sorcerer part. Faster recovery time is probably the #1 thing athletes report after switching to a plant-based diet. Better skin happens really quickly when oils are eliminated.
I haven't watched these vids but I know this guy fairly well and he's a plant-based BJJ guy who trains really hardcore. Title tells me this would be helpful for you guys. He also has a lot of "what I eat in a day" videos and he keeps it extremely simple.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
EzPzLmnSqz United States. Sep 07 2016 11:39. Posts 549
On September 06 2016 16:02 spugru wrote:
day two without meat or dairy. I feel like shit. Headache and been really tired all day. Hope it doesn't last for too long. I try to eat properly this time, meaning not too much vegan junk food.
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick. That's my girl. That's my girl is similar to that's my dog and that's my boy. All seem a little weird and outdated unless it is literally referring to a daughter, domesticated dog, and son.
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick as a human being. That science that she studies and espouses upon is my shit! That is one doctor that has won my trust.
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick as a human being. That science that she studies and espouses upon is my shit! That is one doctor that has won my trust.
Funny you would say that because I can't trust her completely, and it's not that I don't want to or have something personal against her. I'm aware she is a lot more knowledgeable than me, but I corrected her on a topic a few months ago where she advised people consume unheated broccoli sprouts and I showed her the research that clearly demonstrates that this is a mistake, and she only recently (two weeks ago) came up with an update video about it and changing her recommendation. She still made a mistake (or at least omitted something important) in that video too.
She's got great content when you really want to geek out and learn more about the specifics of nutrition and all, but I can't fully take her seriously because she's way too obsessed with her reductionistic approach to eating and I think she's missing the big picture. Speaking of big picture, I just thought about the doctors that I love the most and I realized they are not only passionate about nutrition but they are all standing for something greater than themselves too. She seems like she's in her own bubble and only focused on how this and that information can benefit her.
You know, when she learned all this new information relating to the microbiome and the role of specific prebiotic fibers in keeping us healthy, she mentions she ramped up her plant consumption and focused on variety. But what we learned is that basically, we cannot have too much of those prebiotics fibers in our diet. The more fiber we can fit in, the better. The more variety of prebiotic fibers, the better as well. Which is in line with what T. Colin Campbell found out about whole plant foods in general decades ago: the more, the better, always. So, the knowledge we have gotten from this field recently is a huge argument in favor of a plant-based diet, but she still isn't advocating it! I don't think she has a good reason not to. This is what she should be saying, and people can comply with it as much as they wish to.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick as a human being. That science that she studies and espouses upon is my shit! That is one doctor that has won my trust.
Funny you would say that because I can't trust her completely, and it's not that I don't want to or have something personal against her. I'm aware she is a lot more knowledgeable than me, but I corrected her on a topic a few months ago where she advised people consume unheated broccoli sprouts and I showed her the research that clearly demonstrates that this is a mistake, and she only recently (two weeks ago) came up with an update video about it and changing her recommendation. She still made a mistake (or at least omitted something important) in that video too.
She's got great content when you really want to geek out and learn more about the specifics of nutrition and all, but I can't fully take her seriously because she's way too obsessed with her reductionistic approach to eating and I think she's missing the big picture. Speaking of big picture, I just thought about the doctors that I love the most and I realized they are not only passionate about nutrition but they are all standing for something greater than themselves too. She seems like she's in her own bubble and only focused on how this and that information can benefit her.
You know, when she learned all this new information relating to the microbiome and the role of specific prebiotic fibers in keeping us healthy, she mentions she ramped up her plant consumption and focused on variety. But what we learned is that basically, we cannot have too much of those prebiotics fibers in our diet. The more fiber we can fit in, the better. The more variety of prebiotic fibers, the better as well. Which is in line with what T. Colin Campbell found out about whole plant foods in general decades ago: the more, the better, always. So, the knowledge we have gotten from this field recently is a huge argument in favor of a plant-based diet, but she still isn't advocating it! I don't think she has a good reason not to. This is what she should be saying, and people can comply with it as much as they wish to.
I just sort of wrote that last part about trust and clicked post without too much thought. I first saw her on the Joe Rogan Podcast and she was so enthusiastic and bubbly and geeking out on science I found it very cool and refreshing. I love nerds nerding out on their passions. I have a vision of that being the new cool. So, it is way cool when Daniel Day Lewis is totally nerding out for a performance in "There Will Be Blood" but someone really crushing a debate competition or finding some really great science is not cool enough yet.
Rhonda will come to the light side eventually (or maybe not but I would bet that she tries 100% plant based at some point). Spending all those years in the lab obsessing about being a Doctor and then obsessing about the reductionist science of everything in the DOCTOR position that she covets so much would make it tough to see the big picture.
Clearly the ideal is go get the gut biome as much and as varied of fiber as possible. The solution is varied whole food plant-based diet all the way.
From personal experience, I do not think I would be eating plant based if it were not for my cholesterol being really high and heart surgery for my dad (and myself) looming. As I go further and further into the rabbit hole the more vegan I become. I am absolutely more appalled at the military industrial complex than I have ever been specifically as it relates to food. I am starting to ask questions about what should I do with my pairs of beautiful leather boots that I love so much. Why do I love them so much? Why am I wearing anything with a Nike swoosh? How should I give them away? But, what about Reebok? Do I have to investigate them too? What do I do with the knowledge that suicide nets play a role in the making of my iPhone? The hemp laws in the USA are abysmal. So are the drug laws but that is getting off vegan. Or is it?
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jeremy5408 United States. Sep 09 2016 08:21. Posts 122
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick as a human being. That science that she studies and espouses upon is my shit! That is one doctor that has won my trust.
Funny you would say that because I can't trust her completely, and it's not that I don't want to or have something personal against her. I'm aware she is a lot more knowledgeable than me, but I corrected her on a topic a few months ago where she advised people consume unheated broccoli sprouts and I showed her the research that clearly demonstrates that this is a mistake, and she only recently (two weeks ago) came up with an update video about it and changing her recommendation. She still made a mistake (or at least omitted something important) in that video too.
She's got great content when you really want to geek out and learn more about the specifics of nutrition and all, but I can't fully take her seriously because she's way too obsessed with her reductionistic approach to eating and I think she's missing the big picture. Speaking of big picture, I just thought about the doctors that I love the most and I realized they are not only passionate about nutrition but they are all standing for something greater than themselves too. She seems like she's in her own bubble and only focused on how this and that information can benefit her.
You know, when she learned all this new information relating to the microbiome and the role of specific prebiotic fibers in keeping us healthy, she mentions she ramped up her plant consumption and focused on variety. But what we learned is that basically, we cannot have too much of those prebiotics fibers in our diet. The more fiber we can fit in, the better. The more variety of prebiotic fibers, the better as well. Which is in line with what T. Colin Campbell found out about whole plant foods in general decades ago: the more, the better, always. So, the knowledge we have gotten from this field recently is a huge argument in favor of a plant-based diet, but she still isn't advocating it! I don't think she has a good reason not to. This is what she should be saying, and people can comply with it as much as they wish to.
From personal experience, I do not think I would be eating plant based if it were not for my cholesterol being really high and heart surgery for my dad looming. As I go further and further into the rabbit hole the more vegan I become. I am absolutely more appalled at the military industrial complex than I have ever been specifically as it relates to food. I am starting to ask questions about what should I do with my pairs of beautiful leather boots that I love so much. Why do I love them so much? Why am I wearing anything with a Nike swoosh? How should I give them away? But, what about Reebok? Do I have to investigate them too? What do I do with the knowledge that suicide nets play a role in the making of my iPhone? The hemp laws in the USA are abysmal. So are the drug laws but that is getting off vegan. Or is it?
"There Will Be Blood" is a truly great film.
Most people do get into this lifestyle because of health concerns but they generally become interested in becoming more ethical consumers down the road. I think it's great that you're already broadening your area of concern. I consider clothing to be a pretty minor issue and I know some vegans just end up wearing out their clothes or leather products while others aren't comfortable with them and give them away. If you want to go with the latter option, there should be places in your area like the Salvation Army that will take them. To replace Nike with a more ethical company, try Under Armour. There doesn't seem to be an alternative for phones, so you learn to live with the guilt I guess. In the end, it comes down to doing the best you can. All vegans contribute to some harm no matter what. Then again, this is something you do out of principle since it's hard to have an impact in this world when there are so many people on the planet. But I think you should feel pretty good about yourself if you can live on a plant-based diet, because like Rich Roll said, that aspect alone checks many boxes.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
nice article, thanks for sharing. after going on a Keto diet I was pretty sure there's something to starches as you say. it's surprisingly difficult to cut out breads/starch completely.
On September 08 2008 10:07 Baal wrote: my head is a gyroscope, your argument is invalid
On September 05 2016 03:48 Loco wrote:
It has morphed into a discussion about nutrition, health and longevity, not specifically a WFPB diet thread, since others are arguing (or can argue) against it or in favor of something else. I'm just recommending that particular way of eating and am happy to share resources about it.
Yes, it's definitely challenging if you're someone who likes to eat out a lot. Here in Montreal it's incredibly easy to be vegan but I avoid most vegan places because they have no idea how to prepare food without lots of oil. If you absolutely must go out to places that aren't WFPB-friendly, just try asking them to fix you something on demand or modify something on the menu. They can usually do that. You're paying good money to eat there, so you shouldn't worry about being too demanding. Honestly this was a very good thing for me, it has forced me to learn how to prepare my own meals from scratch, and I'm saving a lot of money making healthier meals as a result. I don't particularly like cooking though, so I have some staple meals that I alternate and I make a good quantity of food to make sure that I don't find myself in a situation where I'm hungry and there isn't anything around which would lead me to order in or go out to eat. One great thing about this WOE is that you can buy your staples (starches) in large quantities, save money and they keep very well. I always have oats, potatoes, rice and beans around and I don't have to worry about expiration dates and wasting food.
More flatulence is completely normal (read this). Your gut flora will change on this diet (for the better) and the body gets used to the higher amounts of fiber and it becomes better at digesting beans too. If you prepare your own beans and soak/rinse them properly you will reduce flatulence a lot, but some flatulence is unavoidable due to the indigestible sugars. Personally I've noticed eating this way I have slightly more flatulence but they are no longer foul smelling. It's a trade off I gladly accept considering all the benefits I've experienced. Note that beans are not mandatory, you could meet all your nutrient needs without them. They're just too healthy to pass up imo.
Oh and I just stumbled upon this video. Relevant for you I think. Guy with a Paleo type diet goes on a 1 week plant-based experiment. Ends up doing it for far longer than that.
This was bugging my head. I got to say that losing that much weight over such a short period of time is unhealthy. Bodybuilding.com has a bunch of really good articles about weightloss. It aligns with common sense aswell. some notes: a) something was very wrong before he switched up his diet b) losing that much too fast is not good c) slow and steady wins over drastic changes because the body loves routine
How is this news? I was taught this in middle school. da fuq.
"Digestion[edit]
The digestive functions of saliva include moistening food and helping to create a food bolus. This lubricative function of saliva allows the food bolus to be passed easily from the mouth into the esophagus. Saliva contains the enzyme amylase, also called ptyalin, which is capable of breaking down starch into simpler sugars such as maltose and dextrin that can be further broken down in the small intestine. Only about 30% starch digestion takes place in the mouth cavity. Salivary glands also secrete salivary lipase (a more potent form of lipase) to begin fat digestion. Salivary lipase plays a large role in fat digestion in newborn infants as their pancreatic lipase still needs some time to develop.[7]" Wikipedia saliva
In El Bulli they served "oil water" and someone argued there that oil has a distinct mouthfeel. Thought this was related. Scientists have found a new taste! OIL it explains why we love fries! Forget to eat lunch and see how fries taste in the evenening.
On September 08 2016 20:50 RiKD wrote:
Rhonda will come to the light side eventually (or maybe not but I would bet that she tries 100% plant based at some point). Spending all those years in the lab obsessing about being a Doctor and then obsessing about the reductionist science of everything in the DOCTOR position that she covets so much would make it tough to see the big picture.
What is this "light side" you are talking about? How does one get there?
I love Dr. Rhonda Patrick as a human being. That science that she studies and espouses upon is my shit! That is one doctor that has won my trust.
Funny you would say that because I can't trust her completely, and it's not that I don't want to or have something personal against her. I'm aware she is a lot more knowledgeable than me, but I corrected her on a topic a few months ago where she advised people consume unheated broccoli sprouts and I showed her the research that clearly demonstrates that this is a mistake, and she only recently (two weeks ago) came up with an update video about it and changing her recommendation. She still made a mistake (or at least omitted something important) in that video too.
She's got great content when you really want to geek out and learn more about the specifics of nutrition and all, but I can't fully take her seriously because she's way too obsessed with her reductionistic approach to eating and I think she's missing the big picture. Speaking of big picture, I just thought about the doctors that I love the most and I realized they are not only passionate about nutrition but they are all standing for something greater than themselves too. She seems like she's in her own bubble and only focused on how this and that information can benefit her.
You know, when she learned all this new information relating to the microbiome and the role of specific prebiotic fibers in keeping us healthy, she mentions she ramped up her plant consumption and focused on variety. But what we learned is that basically, we cannot have too much of those prebiotics fibers in our diet. The more fiber we can fit in, the better. The more variety of prebiotic fibers, the better as well. Which is in line with what T. Colin Campbell found out about whole plant foods in general decades ago: the more, the better, always. So, the knowledge we have gotten from this field recently is a huge argument in favor of a plant-based diet, but she still isn't advocating it! I don't think she has a good reason not to. This is what she should be saying, and people can comply with it as much as they wish to.
From personal experience, I do not think I would be eating plant based if it were not for my cholesterol being really high and heart surgery for my dad looming. As I go further and further into the rabbit hole the more vegan I become. I am absolutely more appalled at the military industrial complex than I have ever been specifically as it relates to food. I am starting to ask questions about what should I do with my pairs of beautiful leather boots that I love so much. Why do I love them so much? Why am I wearing anything with a Nike swoosh? How should I give them away? But, what about Reebok? Do I have to investigate them too? What do I do with the knowledge that suicide nets play a role in the making of my iPhone? The hemp laws in the USA are abysmal. So are the drug laws but that is getting off vegan. Or is it?
"There Will Be Blood" is a truly great film.
Most people do get into this lifestyle because of health concerns but they generally become interested in becoming more ethical consumers down the road. I think it's great that you're already broadening your area of concern. I consider clothing to be a pretty minor issue and I know some vegans just end up wearing out their clothes or leather products while others aren't comfortable with them and give them away. If you want to go with the latter option, there should be places in your area like the Salvation Army that will take them. To replace Nike with a more ethical company, try Under Armour. There doesn't seem to be an alternative for phones, so you learn to live with the guilt I guess. In the end, it comes down to doing the best you can. All vegans contribute to some harm no matter what. Then again, this is something you do out of principle since it's hard to have an impact in this world when there are so many people on the planet. But I think you should feel pretty good about yourself if you can live on a plant-based diet, because like Rich Roll said, that aspect alone checks many boxes.
I couldn't give a fuck less about the supposed health benefits, the only argument and a strong one I struggle with is the morality of the issue of consuming animals fwiw
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