On September 09 2016 08:55 Loco wrote: "There is now a sixth taste – and it explains why we love carbs" (should be saying starch instead of carbs)
How is this news? I was taught this in middle school. da fuq.
It's news because it's talking about our taste buds. We weren't aware of a specific taste that could single out starches. You're talking about the enzymes in saliva to break down the starches. Two completely different things. I mean, come on. Can't you at least take a little bit of time to read the article and give people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming that we're all so dumb and that we wouldn't know what you knew in middle school? :/
It's relevant because our taste buds are a reflection of what we evolved to seek out for our survival. Lots of Paleo/Keto advocates talk about starches like they're a poison from the agricultural revolution. Well, let's say we were to ignore all of recorded human history and all of the medical literature available showing us that this is patently false, now from an evolutionary standpoint this becomes even harder to believe. It's clearly no mistake of nature. Carnivores like cats do have taste buds for meat - more specifically the amino acids found in meat, but they don't have a taste for sweets. We don't have those taste buds for meat but we have them for sweets and starches. Interesting if you ask me, and clearly not the design of a carnivore or an obligate omnivore.
If for some reason all of that is lost on you and you think meat really is your food and plants are your "food's food", then ask yourself why is it that people need to put sauces, spices and salt on their meat to make it palatable. I've never seen anyone eating and enjoying a big meal of plain, unseasoned boiled or raw beef, chicken or organ meats. Have you? But I know my cats wouldn't need to doctor this up with a bunch of stuff to enjoy it because that's their food.
So its one step from starch to sugar, big wow. That article wasn't convincing. SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED. Someone being called a scientist doesn't make anything he says true. Why aren't everyone raving about this new great discovery? I don't like you quoting assfire and putting it on me. Guy is a total asshat who only speaks up when he has something to argue, confront or troll. He adds 0 value and speaks constantly out of his ass.
You didn't even care to understand the article so I don't think it's relevant that you are unconvinced. I never said it was a great discovery, I said it was interesting. You have to be somewhat familiar with the history of nutrition in the US to understand its particular relevance. Starches have been reviled for decades now. Robert Atkins has had a big influence on this and it's still mainstream to fear things like pasta and bread which he said we should avoid. Some people today go as far as saying that carbohydrates are literally 100% useless and unneeded because the body has no true need for a carb, but it needs protein and essential fats.
I apologize for including a response to his comment in my response to you-- let me clarify that this part wasn't about you specifically, but anyone who believes something along the lines of what Spitfiree wrote.
On September 11 2016 19:31 cariadon wrote:
Also Loco, why narrow it down to boiling or raw? What's the deal there. Eating raw is a whole different discussion. The complexity of flavours of meat can be compared to that of coffee and wine because of maillard reaction. If you can sear a steak it tastes delicious. Saying meat needs to be eaten raw is the same as saying plants should be eaten straight from the ground on your knees.
I thought the reason I used those examples was clear. The point of contention I brought up relates to biological appropriateness. If it was biologically appropriate for us to eat this food, i.e. if we thrived on it, we wouldn't be the only animal that only enjoys it under specific circumstances. The foods I named and which are unappealing to us are foods you can give a cat or a dog (who is a true omnivore) and it's still feast-worthy for them. We have to introduce carcinogens by cooking the meat in a specific way and season it to make it palatable to us, and our health is even more likely to suffer as a result.
The topic of the palatability of meat is an interesting one. I'm not sure that it's innate. Do infants enjoy the taste of a seared steak if you were to make it into a puree? I think a lot of it comes down to gut bacteria. Until you've learned that behavior and modified your microbiome I think it's a lot more likely you'd want to eat fruit and starch instead.
"Population studies have not established a definitive link between HCA and PAH exposure from cooked meats and cancer in humans."
Carbs play a big role in recovering from workouts, also protein assimilation is higher/greater post-workout. Carbs are good to replenish glycogen levels in the muscles/liver/blood. The whole idea of keto/Atkins/whatever carb deprived diet is to get the body to burn fat and use fat in the recovery proccess. This is not entirely healthy if you take it to the extreme and want fast results. Your body uses up the glycogen first and then goes into fat for energy. The glycogen system gives better performance over shorter periods but fats are used to sustain a longer duration demand on energy.
Cooking meat commercially and cooking for yourself at home are very different. MacDonald's doesn't probably change the oil they cook in often enough. Then there is the smoking point which you shouldn't exceed, e.g. don't fry your steak with cold pressed olive oil.
Eating a lot of the same is interprited by the brain as inferior to a nice all-around plate. I read about this in a book, i could dig and find it for you. Also taste is developed over the years. A child doesn't come out of the womb craving for artichoke or steak tartart. Taste evolves. Some tastes are aquired, many things aren't enjoyed because of a bad experience or upbringing - learnt behavior. What if we were better at eating raw meat but evolved to be not so good because of readily available fire for cooking. I've ate raw potatoes because why not. Put them in foil and stash under some embers for a few hours and the potato transforms into something even better. If need be, i'd eat fresh raw meat. I ate raw fish just yesterday. Eggnog is okay. I don't know. If i was starving i'd eat meat and do okay.
I've cooked for kids a fair bit. If you give off even the slightest hint that something might turn out to be not to their liking they won't want it. Even won't try it. They avoid taking risks. If you eat it first or trick them into trying something they are more willing to do so. They are like empty canvases, one of the kids eats all kinds of seafood and enjoys it very much. Of course they won't like sauces made with cognac or anything that is moderately spicy/hot. Those things are aquired tastes. Kids food is pureed because they don't have a set of teeth to chew the food with and so they won't choke on anything. At first there is milk and then you start introducing things that he/she can proccess. I'm assuming they aren't experts digesting starches at a very young age either, or appreciate the flavour nuances.
Meat palatability is interesting indeed. For example cured meat. Salumi has a lot of taste for sure. Did you know you only need water and flour to make a mother starter for bread dough? The flour already comes with the enzymes required. Meat is similar that way. Weird stuff.
I wonder what McDougall and vegans would say about being in the middle of nowhere camping and consuming sweet potatoes that were cooked with some butter at a farmer's market restaurant. Is that a McDougall vegan dilemna/torture?
So, you either stay alone by yourself all day eating minestrone or you go out with friends and eat sweet pot....
you have to eat the sweet potato with some butter.
*head explode*
end scene?
If anyone asks about the diet I just tell them plant-based and when they bring up vegan I say I do not know I do not understand vegans or veganism which is truth. Like any community of people there are going to be a percentage of fuck heads that fuck shit up for everyone else. It just seems like in veganism the percentage of fuck heads is strong. I want to live my life Truth over tribe. Any tribe that does not value truth is not a tribe of mine.
That brings up a question though:
If people knew that a meteor was very very likely (so close it might as well be 100%) going to hit the earth and destroy it in 2 weeks would you want to know?
I had a discussion with a guy who manages a bunch of people that said he felt strongly that many times it was best to tell employees white lies in order to make the work go smoother and more productive. Basically, pumping them up a bit for motivational + inspirational purposes. He said in reality they were really shitty employees who sucked at what they did but if he said this the job would be disastrous. I found it to be an interesting discussion.
Is the positive thinking white lie or omission ok?
Has anyone made a good book or movie about someone that knows the day he is going to die but not how? Or anything similar? The Death of Ivan Illych by Tolstoy and Metamorphosis by Kafka are 2 books that come to mind that I love.
Loco,
Bivalves offer vitamin b12? Good source of iron? Other reasoning?
I will be going to the ocean next week and one of my favorite meals is linguine w/ clam. There will likely be plenty of olive oil. Perhaps even some shredded cheese. I would bet that I will not combust from this meal.
I had a discussion with a guy who manages a bunch of people that said he felt strongly that many times it was best to tell employees white lies in order to make the work go smoother and more productive. Basically, pumping them up a bit for motivational + inspirational purposes. He said in reality they were really shitty employees who sucked at what they did but if he said this the job would be disastrous. I found it to be an interesting discussion.
Like what lies? I cant think of a lie that would rise productivity up significantly repeatedly
He was a chef in a large food making operation. From my understanding he would tell someone who sucked to make something and he would say something like "Jimmy, you are on the lobster bisque tonight. You got this no problem!" instead of telling him what he was thinking "Jimmy, you likely do not have this at all and I am worried about it. Remember that tomato soup last week? Who the fuck messes up tomato soup?"
How is this news? I was taught this in middle school. da fuq.
It's news because it's talking about our taste buds. We weren't aware of a specific taste that could single out starches. You're talking about the enzymes in saliva to break down the starches. Two completely different things. I mean, come on. Can't you at least take a little bit of time to read the article and give people the benefit of the doubt instead of assuming that we're all so dumb and that we wouldn't know what you knew in middle school? :/
It's relevant because our taste buds are a reflection of what we evolved to seek out for our survival. Lots of Paleo/Keto advocates talk about starches like they're a poison from the agricultural revolution. Well, let's say we were to ignore all of recorded human history and all of the medical literature available showing us that this is patently false, now from an evolutionary standpoint this becomes even harder to believe. It's clearly no mistake of nature. Carnivores like cats do have taste buds for meat - more specifically the amino acids found in meat, but they don't have a taste for sweets. We don't have those taste buds for meat but we have them for sweets and starches. Interesting if you ask me, and clearly not the design of a carnivore or an obligate omnivore.
If for some reason all of that is lost on you and you think meat really is your food and plants are your "food's food", then ask yourself why is it that people need to put sauces, spices and salt on their meat to make it palatable. I've never seen anyone eating and enjoying a big meal of plain, unseasoned boiled or raw beef, chicken or organ meats. Have you? But I know my cats wouldn't need to doctor this up with a bunch of stuff to enjoy it because that's their food.
So its one step from starch to sugar, big wow. That article wasn't convincing. SCIENTISTS DISCOVERED. Someone being called a scientist doesn't make anything he says true. Why aren't everyone raving about this new great discovery? I don't like you quoting assfire and putting it on me. Guy is a total asshat who only speaks up when he has something to argue, confront or troll. He adds 0 value and speaks constantly out of his ass.
You didn't even care to understand the article so I don't think it's relevant that you are unconvinced. I never said it was a great discovery, I said it was interesting. You have to be somewhat familiar with the history of nutrition in the US to understand its particular relevance. Starches have been reviled for decades now. Robert Atkins has had a big influence on this and it's still mainstream to fear things like pasta and bread which he said we should avoid. Some people today go as far as saying that carbohydrates are literally 100% useless and unneeded because the body has no true need for a carb, but it needs protein and essential fats.
I apologize for including a response to his comment in my response to you-- let me clarify that this part wasn't about you specifically, but anyone who believes something along the lines of what Spitfiree wrote.
On September 11 2016 19:31 cariadon wrote:
Also Loco, why narrow it down to boiling or raw? What's the deal there. Eating raw is a whole different discussion. The complexity of flavours of meat can be compared to that of coffee and wine because of maillard reaction. If you can sear a steak it tastes delicious. Saying meat needs to be eaten raw is the same as saying plants should be eaten straight from the ground on your knees.
I thought the reason I used those examples was clear. The point of contention I brought up relates to biological appropriateness. If it was biologically appropriate for us to eat this food, i.e. if we thrived on it, we wouldn't be the only animal that only enjoys it under specific circumstances. The foods I named and which are unappealing to us are foods you can give a cat or a dog (who is a true omnivore) and it's still feast-worthy for them. We have to introduce carcinogens by cooking the meat in a specific way and season it to make it palatable to us, and our health is even more likely to suffer as a result.
The topic of the palatability of meat is an interesting one. I'm not sure that it's innate. Do infants enjoy the taste of a seared steak if you were to make it into a puree? I think a lot of it comes down to gut bacteria. Until you've learned that behavior and modified your microbiome I think it's a lot more likely you'd want to eat fruit and starch instead.
"Population studies have not established a definitive link between HCA and PAH exposure from cooked meats and cancer in humans."
Not sure why you quoted that, as I didn't say it guarantees we'll get cancer from them, I said it increases the risk that our health will suffer. Secondly, you cut out the most important part that follows that statement:
"Nevertheless, numerous epidemiologic studies have used detailed questionnaires to examine participants’ meat consumption and meat cooking methods to estimate HCA and PAH exposures. Researchers found that high consumption of well-done, fried, or barbecued meats was associated with increased risks of colorectal (14), pancreatic (15, 16), and prostate (17, 18) cancer."
There's rarely anything definitive in nutrition (though processed meat definitely cause cancer), the mechanisms and various interactions are often too complex, so we have to rely on associations. If you're gonna wait for everything to be definitive before changing your habits, it might be too late. It took more than 7,000 scientific studies and the death of countless smokers before the first Surgeon General’s report against smoking was released in the 1960’s. Think about that.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I had a discussion with a guy who manages a bunch of people that said he felt strongly that many times it was best to tell employees white lies in order to make the work go smoother and more productive. Basically, pumping them up a bit for motivational + inspirational purposes. He said in reality they were really shitty employees who sucked at what they did but if he said this the job would be disastrous. I found it to be an interesting discussion.
Like what lies? I cant think of a lie that would rise productivity up significantly repeatedly
A perfect example would be the belief in free will. All the research we have on this indicates that people tend to be more productive, act more ethically and are happier as a result of believing they have free will. A friend of mine made a video about it. As a result, he questions whether we should be "prescribing illusions" to people, instead of explaining to them the truth (determinism-->no free will). I have a problem with this kind of short-term, results-oriented thinking. I want to see the development of someone who believes the truth in the long-term, not just the immediate benefits of believing in some illusion. I discuss some of that with my friend in the comments.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Great blog post. I happened upon an article about clams, mussels, and oysters last night that filled in a lot and your blog post did a great job of explaining it from a vegan perspective. From that research, farmed mollusks are basically the perfect supplement to a plant-based diet. I do not know exactly how they are farmed and the harm that the farming is causing but if Sam Harris says they do not have central nervous systems it has to be in similar territory to mushrooms and plants except farming plants can cause a lot of problems and harm. It is possible that all of these things feel pain in a different way but I liked your definition of veganism. Harm reduction. Kindness and compassion to all things on the planet to the best of our ability.
Here is something else I question: Last night my mom spent a good amount of time making a dish of green beans, tomatoes, pineapples, shrimp, and a lovely (no cream, no butter) sauce. It looked really good. I carefully extracted all of the shrimp and enjoyed but I am pretty sure a cult of vegan fellow would lose his/her shit. Maybe I am just in early stages and progressing but I have noticed for me if I do not have any almond milk and I throw some shit creamer in my coffee I do not go crazy and start eating tons of butter/cream/cheese as of yet. I do not care if adding some processed creamer (it included palm oil doh) to my coffee in the forest disqualifies me from the cool club that does not seem all that cool.
I saw you mention relapse in your blog. It would probably be wise for me to define what relapse means. Drugs and alcohol it is easy. 100% abstinence is where I need to be and I have plenty of reasons and evidence for that. Diet wise it is a little more flexible at this point but ZERO ANIMAL FAT, VERY MINIMAL DAIRY (goal is so close to zero it might as well be zero but being honest I am consuming dairy more than 1 in infinity times a week at this point. 1 in 20 times per month is probably a better goal at this point), MINIMAL PROCESSED FOODS. FUCK FACTORY FARMING. Corn, soy, cow situation needs to be improved upon for sure.
Get yourself a chemex and freshly roasted and ground coffee, coffee will never be the same again. *insert Tarantino speech on coffee from pulp fiction*
On September 06 2016 16:02 spugru wrote:
day two without meat or dairy. I feel like shit. Headache and been really tired all day. Hope it doesn't last for too long. I try to eat properly this time, meaning not too much vegan junk food.
What are you eating spugru?
I did not really notice anything the first couple of days besides more farting. About a week in of zero meat and dairy and I am getting a better grasp on what I should be eating. I have been feeling pretty good and energized. It really can be as simple as sweet potato with some interest in the form of vegetables and fruit and some beans at some point. Cut out vegetable oils as much as possible and just cut out fats as much as possible. It has also been fun to work through these Blue Zone recipes. I also found this recipe for breakfast:
Stick with it spugru! I was worried about how I would feel and also would I recover from training and I feel just nicely full up of energy and glycogen all day long. Just a nice smooth burn. Better cognition. Better skin. Better hair. It has been kind of an adventure venturing through the large bulk section of beans and rice and seeds. I feel like some sort of sorcerer just carrying inventories of all this stuff throwing it into large vats of cooking whole foods. Way cheaper than buying single servings of grass fed ribeyes that is for sure. Hemp seeds are quite expensive though. Makes me want to go on a hemp rant but I don't want to get tooo vegan at this point. Take care man.
lol'd @ the sorcerer part. Faster recovery time is probably the #1 thing athletes report after switching to a plant-based diet. Better skin happens really quickly when oils are eliminated.
I haven't watched these vids but I know this guy fairly well and he's a plant-based BJJ guy who trains really hardcore. Title tells me this would be helpful for you guys. He also has a lot of "what I eat in a day" videos and he keeps it extremely simple.
I decided to give this diet a go. Anything else to get me started? I'm considering an experiment of like 2 weeks, prolly won't reach full potential of this diet but for start it will have to suffice.
edit: added forks over knives
Awesome man! Fwiw, I am about 2 and a half weeks into a whole foods, plant based diet. My guidelines are no animal fat, no dairy, and no processed foods. I have decided not to sweat the small stuff. I have had cow milk with coffee, I have had butter with starches at a restaurant, I have had maybe more oils with a meal than the purists would like, I have eaten vegetable dishes that were cooked with meat, etc. Some vegans would likely turn up their nose at me but as I have said before I do not care about fitting in with the cult club. This philosophy could potentially lead to problems and rationalization or full blown relapse but it has not yet and I feel it is the best path for me to take at this point.
I absolutely love this breakfast. Easy to make. Plenty of energy. Balanced well for what I need. Great start to the day.
On another note, if you only plan on doing this for 2 weeks it may not make sense to carry some inventory of the not so much perishable stuff. Where I shop they carry a bunch of the beans, oat bran, rice, etc. in bulk and it makes sense for me to buy in some level of bulk and carry some inventories.
Delicious hearty stuff. Pretty easy to make too. I usually eat some form of bread with the soup. Warm and fresh is obviously best.
Dinner:
I have been eating out places (or experimenting with prepared foods or cooking or more soup). Since eating out is the trickiest I will talk about that. Many of the restaurants that I go with people are not very vegan friendly. This is where I do the best I can. If I have to eat some butter to get a meal I would rather be out with friends and eat a little butter or extra oil or whatever to get a meal. One thing that is important to me though is that I do not just say "Fuck it" and have a cheeseburger and fries with a soda and ice cream. This is where the ideas of a larger purpose comes in and makes it easier for me. Easy like second nature I do not really have to think about it anymore. I also have blood tests coming up in about 2 months now so I think it helps that this is an experiment with multiple purpose.
I don't know man. I think I have written enough for now. It is really cool to hear you are giving it a shot. I like the idea of all of us continuing to post thoughts and questions in here. Let us know how it is going. We can all be helpful and useful to each other. LP plant-based (vegan) experimentation for the win!
Great blog post. I happened upon an article about clams, mussels, and oysters last night that filled in a lot and your blog post did a great job of explaining it from a vegan perspective. From that research, farmed mollusks are basically the perfect supplement to a plant-based diet. I do not know exactly how they are farmed and the harm that the farming is causing but if Sam Harris says they do not have central nervous systems it has to be in similar territory to mushrooms and plants except farming plants can cause a lot of problems and harm. It is possible that all of these things feel pain in a different way but I liked your definition of veganism. Harm reduction. Kindness and compassion to all things on the planet to the best of our ability.
Here is something else I question: Last night my mom spent a good amount of time making a dish of green beans, tomatoes, pineapples, shrimp, and a lovely (no cream, no butter) sauce. It looked really good. I carefully extracted all of the shrimp and enjoyed but I am pretty sure a cult of vegan fellow would lose his/her shit. Maybe I am just in early stages and progressing but I have noticed for me if I do not have any almond milk and I throw some shit creamer in my coffee I do not go crazy and start eating tons of butter/cream/cheese as of yet. I do not care if adding some processed creamer (it included palm oil doh) to my coffee in the forest disqualifies me from the cool club that does not seem all that cool.
I saw you mention relapse in your blog. It would probably be wise for me to define what relapse means. Drugs and alcohol it is easy. 100% abstinence is where I need to be and I have plenty of reasons and evidence for that. Diet wise it is a little more flexible at this point but ZERO ANIMAL FAT, VERY MINIMAL DAIRY (goal is so close to zero it might as well be zero but being honest I am consuming dairy more than 1 in infinity times a week at this point. 1 in 20 times per month is probably a better goal at this point), MINIMAL PROCESSED FOODS. FUCK FACTORY FARMING. Corn, soy, cow situation needs to be improved upon for sure.
Make sure you read those posts that I linked to in that post. They are coming from other vegan perspectives, two of which decided to include bivalves while the other (a vegan registered dietician) didn't, but wasn't against the idea. Dr. Garth Davis mentioned one of those articles and also seemed interested, but he remains a strict vegan.
The relapse part that I'm mentioning is really two relapses. One is when I used to be a mostly raw vegan. This was about 8 years ago and I wasn't properly informed about nutrition. I went vegan for ethical reasons back then, and I didn't want to learn how to cook (it was too daunting), so I got drawn into the raw foods movement mostly out of sheer laziness. There were raw vegan restaurants here so it was quite easy. I was friends with other vegan raw foodists and gave it a try for a few months. There is lot of pseudo-science in this movement. This diet fails because it's too hard to meet your energy needs and it's too restrictive. The importance of starches in a diet cannot be understated. Second relapse happened at a time where I was very vulnerable in my life and it became emotional eating and I was apathetic about it. I thought I could get away with it since I am in my late 20s but it caught up with me real quick.
Forget how it looks when you eat something that isn't WFPB. This is about how much progress you wish to make for your own health. You're still very new to this and you do not have a supportive environment to do this, so it's perfectly normal not to be doing it 100%. Most people need to transition their way into eating this way and they have some things to learn along the way. I didn't get to eat this way by going 100% overnight either. You add in as much good stuff as you can find and it crowds out the bad stuff. Eventually, it's all crowded out and you don't feel deprived, or at least that's how I felt. It's all about knowing yourself and where you want to be: if you have a weakness for a specific food that isn't good for you, it's easier to cut it out 100% than to try to moderate it. If you only want moderate health benefits then just eat moderately well. Personally, I would advise that people give it an "all-in" try for a few weeks, so they can completely reconfigure their tastebuds and microbiome and see the maximum benefits it can offer them. It's easier to make better choices afterwards.
Various nut milks are easy to have on hand. Many brands don't need to be refrigerated until opened. I can't see any reason why you'd have to rely on processed crap creamers. Watch this:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On September 06 2016 16:02 spugru wrote:
day two without meat or dairy. I feel like shit. Headache and been really tired all day. Hope it doesn't last for too long. I try to eat properly this time, meaning not too much vegan junk food.
What are you eating spugru?
I did not really notice anything the first couple of days besides more farting. About a week in of zero meat and dairy and I am getting a better grasp on what I should be eating. I have been feeling pretty good and energized. It really can be as simple as sweet potato with some interest in the form of vegetables and fruit and some beans at some point. Cut out vegetable oils as much as possible and just cut out fats as much as possible. It has also been fun to work through these Blue Zone recipes. I also found this recipe for breakfast:
Stick with it spugru! I was worried about how I would feel and also would I recover from training and I feel just nicely full up of energy and glycogen all day long. Just a nice smooth burn. Better cognition. Better skin. Better hair. It has been kind of an adventure venturing through the large bulk section of beans and rice and seeds. I feel like some sort of sorcerer just carrying inventories of all this stuff throwing it into large vats of cooking whole foods. Way cheaper than buying single servings of grass fed ribeyes that is for sure. Hemp seeds are quite expensive though. Makes me want to go on a hemp rant but I don't want to get tooo vegan at this point. Take care man.
lol'd @ the sorcerer part. Faster recovery time is probably the #1 thing athletes report after switching to a plant-based diet. Better skin happens really quickly when oils are eliminated.
I haven't watched these vids but I know this guy fairly well and he's a plant-based BJJ guy who trains really hardcore. Title tells me this would be helpful for you guys. He also has a lot of "what I eat in a day" videos and he keeps it extremely simple.
I decided to give this diet a go. Anything else to get me started? I'm considering an experiment of like 2 weeks, prolly won't reach full potential of this diet but for start it will have to suffice.
edit: added forks over knives
I posted links to some of the top selling books earlier in this thread. They're in a spoiler tag. They have a lot of info and recipes as well. They're also available on Audible if you prefer audiobooks (first Audible book you to get is free too). "Forks Over Knives" is a must watch and their website is filled with info and recipes.
I personally kept it very simple and used very few recipes. I made the basic stuff that I already liked and swapped the unhealthy ingredients for healthy (or healthier) ones. In my experience, it's a lot easier if you transition with soy-based meat replacements. Most important part at first is enjoying the food, so even if it's somewhat processed, if that's what it takes you to give up the meat then you should try to find a place that sells those. But if you already know how to prepare flavorful tofu and bean dishes then it's a lot easier and healthier.
Oh and, I've talked a lot about this previously in the thread, but you should familiarize yourself with the "pleasure trap". There are a few talks and related videos on YouTube explaining this concept. You are much more likely to succeed if you are aware of this information. A quick introduction to the concept is given in "Forks Over Knives":
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
Get a Seal Team or just experienced trained hunters to start hunting the big military industrial complex corporate executives. Net worth is like the size of a deer rack. Make sure everyone does their best to go for 1 shot to the heart and then auction off the parts for charity. I would not touch a Dick Cheney heart but I would happily grill that shit up for starving Africans to enjoy.
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