- Dong Hyun Kim was expected to face Neil Magny at the event. However, Kim pulled out due to injury on July 12 and was replaced by Lorenz Larkin.
- Sultan Aliev was expected to face Hyun Gyu Lim at the event. However, Aliev pulled out of the fight in early August citing a wrist injury. Lim will now face promotional newcomer Mike Perry.
- The Ultimate Fighter: China winner Ning Guangyou tested positive for clenbuterol from an out-of-competition sample taken May 19, but USADA found he ingested the substance without fault or negligence. They reviewed the evidence of the case - Guangyou's whereabouts, dietary habits and the lab reports showing "very low parts per billion concentrations" of the substance - and determined that it very likely came from tainted meat, as Countries like Mexico and China have a high risk for meats contaminated with the substance. Guangyou will not face a suspension. He was expected to face Marlon Vera at this event, but due to this incident the bout was pushed back one week for UFC on Fox: Maia vs. Condit.
- On August 5, Sean Strickland pulled out of his planned bout against Tim Means due to a knee injury. He was replaced by promotional newcomer Sabah Homasi.
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PuertoRican United States. Aug 03 2016 03:11. Posts 13123
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First impression of the match-ups:
• Diaz > McGregor
• Teixeira > Johnson
• Cerrone > Story
• Means > TBA
• Garbrandt > Mizugaki
• Pennington > Phillips
• Lim > Perry
• Vettori > Uda
• Magny > Larkin
• Avila > Lobov
• Vera > Ning
• Covington > Griffin
Teixeira > Johnson? :O Obviously he can connect but I think Anthony is better by far
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iakim322 United States. Aug 03 2016 22:13. Posts 1335
I think it's the other way around. Obviously Rumble can connect and it'd be lights out for anyone. But Texeira is more well rounded
I still don't really know why Conor insisted on fighting Nate at 170 again. Unlike the new 170 lb champ who has 0 ppv pull or mainstream appeal or a great recent resume, Conor can and actually deserves to call his own shots. Feels like if Conor made Nate boil down, his shots would have a much better impact on Nate and the chances of that impressive win he's craving would be a lot higher. Nate would be a little faster at '55 but it's not like speed is really his game. Think either Nate finishes him late this time or Conor has a cpl scares but wins a close but clear decision
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Stim_Abuser United States. Aug 03 2016 22:32. Posts 7499
Rumble via speed. Glover is a bit slow and AJ should have a huge speed advantage which makes me think he'll be able to catch Glover and Glovers chin won't be able to hold up. That said AJ is one of my 99% sure he's on PED guys so it'll be interesting to see how he performs under USADA.
Diaz > Conor. If Conor is more patient I think he simply gets hit more since Diaz has the range. Unless he employs a kick and run game, which I don't think his ego will let him.
Story > Cerrone. Don't mind me here, I pretty much always underestimate Cerrone and never learn lol. That said I think most underestimate Story. I think he bullys Cerrone in the clinch and lands a ton of body shots on Cerrone where Cerrone is weak. I think it'll be somewhat close but Story will get the W.
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Texeira is very hittable but Rumble fades fast, I think that if Rumble doesnt hurt Texeira bad early on, he will slow down and Texeira wins a decision.
Diaz vs Connor is so difficult to predict because Connor has a very clear almost guaranteed path to victory, just kick the leg non-stop and counter, but does he have the cardio to do that for 5 rounds even if he tries to be efficient, and even if he is able will he do it? Its not like he didnt know it wasnt smart to trade with Nate, did he learn the lesson or will his ego get the best of him?
Unlike Stim I dont think Connors ego will get the better of him, actually I think Nate is far more egocentric than Connor for example.
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traxamillion United States. Aug 04 2016 07:56. Posts 10468
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Conor kicked the shit outta Mendez very nicely iirc.
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traxamillion United States. Aug 04 2016 19:09. Posts 10468
That weak ass thigh/knee kick that is heavily telegraphed? Good luck landing that more than a couple times. Those arent the leg kicks that fuck up a diaz
Connor cant throw good hard MT style leg kicks out of that wide ass karate stance. Sure he has some decent flashy spinning kicks or whatever but those are basically all body/head shots.
Realistically connor has won basically all of his fights with the left.
Dont expect the styles to change from the last fight to this fight much at all. They gonna largely box
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traxamillion United States. Aug 04 2016 19:11. Posts 10468
Im talking about leg kicks specifically obviously in all posts. He has some karate kicks no doubt
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Stim_Abuser United States. Aug 04 2016 21:05. Posts 7499
On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.
He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.
Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.
I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.
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As long as Connor uses his legs and counter boxes properly, instead of being the aggressor he should be fine. He has no chance trying to outbox him.
I don't really see how Connor can win the fight with his left hand though, he s fighting possibly the best boxer in the UFC and that guy is used to be getting hit by bricks in his face, that is if McGregor can even land it properly.
Don't think we underestimate the Diaz brothers, but its basically what everyone exploits in their game.
I wonder whats the game plan for Connor though, one of the worst match ups for him, he cant even try to bring it to the ground either.
Like I only see him using his legs and properly counter boxing to win this one and it will still be super hard.
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iakim322 United States. Aug 05 2016 00:55. Posts 1335
On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.
He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.
Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.
I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.
Cerrone had a bit of a mental meltdown in the lead up to that Nate fight. Came out hot-headed and uncharacteristically just tried to bull rush Nate. He did have a bit of success on some kicks later in the fight but just didn't follow up. A bit physically beat up and maybe mentally beaten already by then
Cyborg Santos isn't exactly a Pettis kicking machine but even he had some success with low leg kicks against Nick before he got dunked back in strikeforce. So I mean I don't think you have to be absolutely elite with kicks to be effective vs either Diaz
I do agree that it's not as easy as some people make it sound (you're right in that even Condit had to use a little bit of clinching/grappling when Nick got close before he shot out to the side). But it's clearly the strategy to take against both Diaz's even if it's not the absolute best part of your skills
Definitely also do agree that Conor's kicking game has been a bit more flash than real effectiveness. But he has the talent and athletisicm to make low kicking very effective vs Nate. Just a question of how long he can physically sustain it or if his ego will allow him to do it the entire fight if he can a la Condit
On August 04 2016 18:09 traxamillion wrote:
That weak ass thigh/knee kick that is heavily telegraphed? Good luck landing that more than a couple times. Those arent the leg kicks that fuck up a diaz
Connor cant throw good hard MT style leg kicks out of that wide ass karate stance. Sure he has some decent flashy spinning kicks or whatever but those are basically all body/head shots.
Realistically connor has won basically all of his fights with the left.
Dont expect the styles to change from the last fight to this fight much at all. They gonna largely box
those aren't used to fuck up your opponent. it's to get him off his rhythm. kinda like a jab in boxing. for some fighters they find that it's good to "check" their opponents from time to time. but it depends stylistically really.
On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.
He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.
Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.
I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.
I posed those kicks to showcase how he is very coordinated with his kicks, sure his game revolves around the left so he doesnt focus on them, thats why im saying he has to adjust the way he fights, but he is absolutely capable of leg kicking nate, Muay Thai kicks to the thigh are pretty simple and Nate being also a southpaw has never had to defend from those and also its very hard to catch a kick when your stance is that sideways, Nate usually keeps a high lead right hand, so to catch those kicks he would need to drop his hand and stop checking kicks, sounds like an adjustment that would make things worse for him.
That being said I dont expect Connor to make Nate limp or tap to kicks its simply to slow the pace of the fight, to force Nate to throw first so that he can be more efficient and precise with his left while countering
On August 04 2016 06:56 traxamillion wrote:
Connor is 90% his left hand, doubt he comes out with some sick leg kicking game
The fuck are you talking about, sure his power shot is the left but he knows how to kick very well and both being southpaws it should open a lot of possibilities to kick for Conor from an angle Nate is simply not used to cover but he has to consciously employ a totally different strategy, which is the trait of a great fighter, lets see if he has the strategic discipline this demands.
Did you just post mostly leg teeps to prove him wrong? lol. I dunno about 90% but Conors game massively revolves around his left hand. He has some ok kicks, but for the most part they aren't extremely effective. Lots of flashy kicks that have a extremely low success rate, and some teeps that don't really do a whole lot besides gauge distance.
He did hit Mendes with a lot of body teeps which were nice, but Mendes is also 5'5'' and had zero preparation for the fight.
Obviously he should/will add more kicks this time, but he's not gonna become RDA/Thomson/Bendo in one training camp and be able to kick the shit out of Nate imo. Maybe though, that'd be very impressive.
I think people overestimate how easy the Diaz bros are to kick. See Cerrone vs Nate. They are constantly pressuring and throwing punches at your face, so to be able to kick them well you really have to be good at setting your kicks up and moving to avoid the pressure. Even most of the great kickers who exploited the Diaz brothers had to use grappling often to alleviate the pressure they bring which Conor can't do, not to mention theres always the chance Nate catches a body kick and takes Conor down which is very bad for him.
I posed those kicks to showcase how he is very coordinated with his kicks, sure his game revolves around the left so he doesnt focus on them, thats why im saying he has to adjust the way he fights, but he is absolutely capable of leg kicking nate, Muay Thai kicks to the thigh are pretty simple and Nate being also a southpaw has never had to defend from those and also its very hard to catch a kick when your stance is that sideways, Nate usually keeps a high lead right hand, so to catch those kicks he would need to drop his hand and stop checking kicks, sounds like an adjustment that would make things worse for him.
That being said I dont expect Connor to make Nate limp or tap to kicks its simply to slow the pace of the fight, to force Nate to throw first so that he can be more efficient and precise with his left while countering
I feel his stance is too wide for muay thai leg kicks. It'd make it extremely telegraphed and slow. I think we'll see karate style leg kicks which are way less damaging. I do agree they'll help score some points and set up his counters but it also leaves him open for counters. And I'm not sure he could keep that up for 5 rounds with Nick constantly pressuring him. Would help set up a ko though.
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