Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 122

I told you what the problem appears to be, can't you read? One of the organization's positions, typical of the far-right, is that hate speech is free speech. So why was he kicked out? He was just exercising his free speech, wasn't he? Do you think they should have kicked him out? Are they hypocrites? Simple yes or no answer.

another episode of locodic bullshit, that civil liberties are a right wing position

So the lesson of this story for you is that organization is run by hypocritical assholes then?

okay loco I concede, you're right, that guy should have been able to say fuck niggers without jeopardizing his club membership. you win.

"why won't these so-called 'far alt-right-wing conservatards' just let a poor guy say fuck niggers? what is this world coming to." - loco 2019

they should have done the honorable thing and stood behind him. an action you would've unconditionally supported.

I was against saying fuck niggers before but you've managed to convince me again with your honed persuasive tactics. thanks again for helping me see the light

ah yes it's right here on their homepage

Turning Point USA is a 501(c)(3) non-profit organization founded on June 5, 2012 by Charlie Kirk. The organization’s mission is to identify, educate, train, and organize students to promote the principles of fiscal responsibility, free markets, and limited government, and also we want everyone to be able to say fuck niggers on video with impunity.

you really did your research, digging into this organization and what principles they believe in and exposing this obvious hypocrisy that isn't just your made-up bullshit no-win scenario strawman. hats off

It's not about me. I've been very clear about what I think about the org, without resorting to irony to hide my position. I'm not the one who says that this organization does nothing wrong. I quoted you saying so and so you can't really run away from that, and maybe that's why you're so triggered and evasive right now.

So you are in fact doubling down with that last post. You quote the website and imply we should take their self-description at face value. How embarrassing.

you're right

i shouldn't just believe they're a bunch of college republicans

i should keep an open, skeptical mind and swallow your thoroughly sourced and documented and not just made-up alarmist paranoid antifascist self-serving name-calling delusion that all conservatives are nazis

A final recap:

Santafairy: You keep seeing racists and fascists everywhere. These people are just normal republicans.

Loco: *posts irrefutable evidence that they are in fact racists and neo-fascists*

Santafairy: i Don't BeLieVe AnYtHinG yOu pOsT, ThEiR OwN WebSitE TeLLs uS aLL We NeEd to KnOw!





You know how in poker we say, "If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you are the sucker"

Well, if you can't find the neo-fash in far-right organizations like TPUSA, even after it's been put under your eyes, then maybe, just maybe....

>two guys
>"IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE! RACISTS AND NEO-FASCISTS ALL!"



I've seen better smears on a diaper. go to the retard store and sell yourself

Yeah, if I have to make an argument on why a society, whose biggest city is run by the biggest terrorist organization ever to exist, then I dont know whats the point

Your "counter" example is just trying to diminish the magnitude of what I pointed out in a ridiculous way.

Didn't know you like slavery, human rights abuse, child abuse and generally horrendous things happening as part of your utopia

On May 11 2019 15:06 Santafairy wrote: >two guys >"IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE! RACISTS AND NEO-FASCISTS ALL!"

So you went from saying that this organization was blameless and I was paranoid, doubling down on that claim and saying this was just the case of a dumb kid and the situation has been rectified -- despite the huge hypocrisy of booting the guy when you don't believe in hate speech -- to now saying that I have correctly identified at least two of them, but I am still paranoid because apparently this is not enough to stain the organization. Yet (1) Candace Owens -- arguably the most influential person in the org -- is still a member (or an "educator" according to you) and (2) it's extremely easy to find more of them either through what they actually said or their links to open white supremacist groups just by going to Wikipedia.

On May 11 2019 15:13 Spitfiree wrote: Yeah, if I have to make an argument on why a society, whose biggest city is run by the biggest terrorist organization ever to exist, then I dont know whats the point

Huh? Didn't you initially say that the territory was taken away from ISIS? Now you're saying that they are conspiring with ISIS? Which is it?

Didn't know you like slavery, human rights abuse, child abuse and generally horrendous things happening as part of your utopia

Where is your evidence that the people who defeated ISIS and took their territory engage in any of those things?

college student says nigger word, more at 11

The territory's "decentralized autonomy" began with the Syrian Civil War supposedly, which is in 2012. Which means it had been one before ISIS, yet you think it continued to be during and post ISIS. Which is hilarious cause it is described in that way but in reality its just a place where chaos is raging and people are getting abused. It s also one of the worst places for journalists in the world even post ISIS freedom,


Edit:

I just read RikD's comment on transgenders in the previous page and it is exactly what I mean. If you want to fix shit for people like that you need to fix fundamental issues in a country first. You cannot and will not change shit with the current demands by transgenders.

On May 11 2019 16:18 Spitfiree wrote: The territory's "decentralized autonomy" began with the Syrian Civil War supposedly, which is in 2012. Which means it had been one before ISIS, yet you think it continued to be during and post ISIS. Which is hilarious cause it is described in that way but in reality its just a place where chaos is raging and people are getting abused. It s also one of the worst places for journalists in the world even post ISIS freedom,

You're confused. What an odd assumption to be making. Raqqa couldn't exist as part of Rojava before October 2017 -- that's when the territory was taken by force from ISIS. What Rojava is now in 2019 is not what it was in 2017 or 2012; it's not the static territory that you imagine it to be. It has gradually expanded over time. In fact, Raqqa was massively destroyed as a result of the war and it was left unpopulated for a while. It wasn't until early 2019 that it was included as part of Rojava as they established local councils there. You can easily verify all of this by looking at the Wikipedia history page. Why make these absurd claims to try to personally attack me before doing basic research?

I assumed that the city wasn't taken right away in 2012 by ISIS during the start of the Civil War in Syria, which is false. Apparently, it has been a part of ISIS until 2017 and since then has been a part of Rojava. ( I guess you could see its an easy assumption to make, but wrong nevertheless)

Well, hope it works out for them and Turkey/Syria doesn't run them over when the right time comes.

You're mistaken that I try to personally attack you. None of my posts have a goal of personal attack, I find such goals pitiful especially online. It's a matter of questioning your beliefs and the information you give me while arguing(e.g. yellow vests being naive, or transgenders focusing on things that should have lower priority). If you interpret them as a personal attack, that is not my intention, never has been, never will be. You're fully right on Rojava. It's an interesting place and I'll definitely read more about it.

I generally agree with you on most topics. I just don't post in those cases, thus that makes you think I'm aiming at personal attacks.

On May 11 2019 06:24 RiKD wrote: Look at Germany or Sweden's prison system. Her gender wouldn't be an issue in these countries. That's kind of the whole point. I actually think the world would be a better place if Tai Chi was more popular than American Football but I certainly wouldn't go into a NFL bar in Lubbock, Texas and try to convert people. I don't agree that trans females should be able to compete in say olympic lifting but that seems like such a trivial thing. Maybe not I don't know.

Sweden the rape capital of Europe wouldn't have an issue in a genderless prision... sure thing bud.

Germany has almost 90 million habitants do you honestly belief there is no issue when a 190cm 130kg rapist psychopath choses to be in the women's prison?

I also dont like football, american or normal and their fanbase are brutish but Tai Chi would be even worse, I rather live among neanderthals than new age charlatans.


Congratulations you are on the reasonable side of that one, obviously destroyingn women sports for the sake of inclusion is dangerously dogmatic.

On May 11 2019 13:50 Loco wrote: You're misrepresenting what I said. I said what I liked, not what is available. There are competitive sports. who talked about what you like? you said that trans beating females is somehow a problem of capitalism... so I dont get it, would a trans be allowd into female taekwondo and knock girls unconscious in your distopia yes or no? [quote]They don't need to beat themselves into a bloody pulp or watch people do that in order to deal with the meaninglessness of their own lives within capitalist alienation.

Who on earth is talking about beating people to a pulp? you aware that there are sports beyond combat sports, right?

Won't answer what? I made a case that you didn't answer, and when I pushed you for a source you came back empty and claimed sources don't matter. So I am right and your "switching gender" crap is not a real world issue. You are just an agitator. Someone with so little imagination has to pass the time somehow.

You wont answer plainly your position in regards of MTF trans in sports, I guess you did answer about jail "they can choose what jail to go" wow.

I said the source doesn't matter in this specific scenario because the topic is about switching gender for convenience, if you could just state your gender and that should be taken as the law then if I were going to prison I would call myself a woman and go to women's jail, which eventually would become a total mix and you would have a non-gendered jail and that would be absolute mayhem.

I suppose that you have your head so far up your ass that you believe that since evil derives from capitalism men wouldnt rape and commit violence so a non-gendered prison not only wouldn't be a problem, but prisons themselves would't exist.... haha thats it isn't it? thats what you believe lol