On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
On December 10 2016 17:35 uiCk wrote:
Also @ Baal , explain pic? Don't recognize the flag on his shoes.
It is the syndicalist flag, what the image is trying to represent is that the left became authoritarian (communist, socialism syndicalistm etc) and tried to squash the right that in defense also became authoritarian (nationalists, fascists etc).
This is pretty much what happened since the Obama administration the left won the cultural war and they became authoritarian and tried to squash dissidents and still try to do, thats why anything that questioned their ideology was bigotry alienating the center aligning people to the right and the right people turning in to authoritarians which are almost as bad as left authoritarians.
Damn, that's alot of paranoid nonsense.
it's not that absurd really. State universities are boycotting and protesting speakers like Ben Shapiro and Condaleeza Rice so fervently that it's actually resulting in cancellations. I'm not convinced that would have been the case 10 years ago, and those two in particular are certainly not nearly as controversial as some others.
Extremely negligible. The extremist politics seen everywhere is directly correlated to changing economic landscapes (globalisation and automation) making the human labour of manufacturing and agriculture useless, thus neglecting what used to be a well living class.
Political climate is the result of, not the other way around.
Economy good = centrist politics/ideologies
Economy bad = extremist politics/ideologies
On individual or state level.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On December 10 2016 17:35 uiCk wrote:
Also @ Baal , explain pic? Don't recognize the flag on his shoes.
It is the syndicalist flag, what the image is trying to represent is that the left became authoritarian (communist, socialism syndicalistm etc) and tried to squash the right that in defense also became authoritarian (nationalists, fascists etc).
This is pretty much what happened since the Obama administration the left won the cultural war and they became authoritarian and tried to squash dissidents and still try to do, thats why anything that questioned their ideology was bigotry alienating the center aligning people to the right and the right people turning in to authoritarians which are almost as bad as left authoritarians.
Damn, that's alot of paranoid nonsense.
it's not that absurd really. State universities are boycotting and protesting speakers like Ben Shapiro and Condaleeza Rice so fervently that it's actually resulting in cancellations. I'm not convinced that would have been the case 10 years ago, and those two in particular are certainly not nearly as controversial as some others.
Extremely negligible. The extremist politics seen everywhere is directly correlated to changing economic landscapes (globalisation and automation) making the human labour of manufacturing and agriculture useless, thus neglecting what used to be a well living class.
Political climate is the result of, not the other way around.
Economy good = centrist politics/ideologies
Economy bad = extremist politics/ideologies
On individual or state level.
Absolutely agree and its obvious that a healthy economy wont seek change, and poor economy will breed extreme political views, but Obama was reelected after the market collapse, and while its not the best economy in the US it also isnt as terrible where its just ripe for demagoges.
Do you think Merkels policies on migration have no effect on the polls? I am not somebody who would ever underplay the economic factor however its blind to deny any social factors.
Of course Ben Shapiro being bullied by colleges is negligible when it comes to election, but do you think a movement like Black Lives Matter doesn't alienate people in the center of the political spectrum in the right?, the left dominated the cultural war and they control most of the media and the incessant rhetoric of you are with us or you are a bigot pushed people to the right.
Even if you believe that is all economy based, both political sides have extremes, cultural behavior is what dictates which of extremes of the sides takes power, and right now its the right.
On December 10 2016 17:35 uiCk wrote:
Also @ Baal , explain pic? Don't recognize the flag on his shoes.
It is the syndicalist flag, what the image is trying to represent is that the left became authoritarian (communist, socialism syndicalistm etc) and tried to squash the right that in defense also became authoritarian (nationalists, fascists etc).
This is pretty much what happened since the Obama administration the left won the cultural war and they became authoritarian and tried to squash dissidents and still try to do, thats why anything that questioned their ideology was bigotry alienating the center aligning people to the right and the right people turning in to authoritarians which are almost as bad as left authoritarians.
but that flag is red and black which isn't a symbol of syndicalists from the left in general, but of anarchosyndicalists, like the spanish CNT.
So it doesn't really make sense if you're not the alt right (therefore assuming all the things you dislike are practically one and the same)
Indeed this graphic was probably made by idiots from the right and the flag doesnt make much sense but I think it shows a lot about the political climate
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
No, you misunderstood me, what you did was laugh at someone for believing mainstream media stats, then made an argument that's based on a public opinion and public opinion is based on the same mainstream media stats you laughed at the previous sentence.
Also what uICk said in his previous 2 posts is what i tried to, except his level of expression is far better.
On December 10 2016 17:35 uiCk wrote:
Also @ Baal , explain pic? Don't recognize the flag on his shoes.
It is the syndicalist flag, what the image is trying to represent is that the left became authoritarian (communist, socialism syndicalistm etc) and tried to squash the right that in defense also became authoritarian (nationalists, fascists etc).
This is pretty much what happened since the Obama administration the left won the cultural war and they became authoritarian and tried to squash dissidents and still try to do, thats why anything that questioned their ideology was bigotry alienating the center aligning people to the right and the right people turning in to authoritarians which are almost as bad as left authoritarians.
Damn, that's alot of paranoid nonsense.
it's not that absurd really. State universities are boycotting and protesting speakers like Ben Shapiro and Condaleeza Rice so fervently that it's actually resulting in cancellations. I'm not convinced that would have been the case 10 years ago, and those two in particular are certainly not nearly as controversial as some others.
Extremely negligible. The extremist politics seen everywhere is directly correlated to changing economic landscapes (globalisation and automation) making the human labour of manufacturing and agriculture useless, thus neglecting what used to be a well living class.
Political climate is the result of, not the other way around.
Economy good = centrist politics/ideologies
Economy bad = extremist politics/ideologies
On individual or state level.
Absolutely agree and its obvious that a healthy economy wont seek change, and poor economy will breed extreme political views, but Obama was reelected after the market collapse, and while its not the best economy in the US it also isnt as terrible where its just ripe for demagoges.
Do you think Merkels policies on migration have no effect on the polls? I am not somebody who would ever underplay the economic factor however its blind to deny any social factors.
Of course Ben Shapiro being bullied by colleges is negligible when it comes to election, but do you think a movement like Black Lives Matter doesn't alienate people in the center of the political spectrum in the right?, the left dominated the cultural war and they control most of the media and the incessant rhetoric of you are with us or you are a bigot pushed people to the right.
Even if you believe that is all economy based, both political sides have extremes, cultural behavior is what dictates which of extremes of the sides takes power, and right now its the right.
Merkel's migration 'coup' most definitely had an impact on her polls. She knew from the start her decision to open the 'floodgates' was going to be a negative impact, political wise (hate for migrants in Europe has been around longer then LP existence). The reason she did, was mostly economic, and partially a 'power' move (as in similar fashion US sends aid to poor as fuck countries )
She miscalculated in many things in that regard, and could be debated now with some hindsight as to reasons and it's (short term) result, but applying empty political paranoia that there is some conspiracy for motive that includes voluntarily imploding once culture/state is ridiculous, and propagated by individuals who seek power through political ideologies that are "relevant" to the current state.
Little anecdote about US manufacturing:
I live in Montreal, and anyone who knows/lives here know about "les quartiers des ouvriers" (localities where blue collar workers lived in the past, not including public sector blue collars ) are built of small housing. Which is in line with expectations of doing simple (but hard) jobs that require little education.
I went to the US about a month ago, and visited some old manufacturing city, Utica NY, where they lost something like half the population in recent times. The houses they lived in where HUGE, colonial style. Just insane beautiful housing everywhere. Now they are mostly abandoned / bad shape. This was people who basically made forks, and stuff like that. No wonder there was a feel of comfort, a culture of not needing to "improve" to fetch higher paying jobs, no need to educate ones children (why would you send and pay up the ass to educate your child when he can just work right away, and buy himself a nice colonial 5 bedroom house and two cars in no time?)
There was an American dream, it's just never been sustainable. Now you have a bunch of 20-40 year olds who live on their parents dreams, searching for opportunity anywhere possible, and clinging on any hope that's given to them. Extreme times require extreme measures, and they feel connected to political speech that is extreme (build wall! , Bring back coal jobs, bring back steel jobs! Punish China, it's their fault! All bunch of empty and illogical rethoric)
I hate Politics for simple reason that it's overused, and has the majority of the time through history, benefited the few, and divided the many, blocking the many from reaping (more of) the rewards of societies growth over time.
Not say I don't think there is an important role of politics and political science in general, and not say that there hasn't been advancement in both the science and wealth distribution (looking through a larger sample then 50 years ofc.)
But hearing people so divided over ideas, that ultimately don't belong to them, and are just indoctrinated, makes me sad and angry nonetheless.
Edit: city was Utica NY, not Cooperstown (which is a nice little village)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I agree trade is good for countries if it is fair. China is not playing by the rules. Why trade with china if you get fuck over.
Why can't America go back to being self sufficient if all they do is lose jobs and not create new ones.
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I agree trade is good for countries if it is fair. China is not playing by the rules. Why trade with china if you get fuck over. Why can't America go back to being self sufficient if all they do is lose jobs and not create new ones.
Because economics.
You think Americans want to chop down all the trees in Yellowstone park so that they can wipe their ass with "made in america" toilet paper?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I agree trade is good for countries if it is fair. China is not playing by the rules. Why trade with china if you get fuck over. Why can't America go back to being self sufficient if all they do is lose jobs and not create new ones.
Because economics.
You think Americans want to chop down all the trees in Yellowstone park so that they can wipe their ass with "made in america" toilet paper?
Not going to lie, i took economics in college but was pokering a lot so miss or skip a bunch of classes.
Yea i understand what you are saying, but my thoughts are why trade with a country who you have a negative attitude towards? I guess america is waking up to china's policy and are more open shifting now. I get globalisation is bad for low education people, get better or get left behind. Learn to adept to changing climate.
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On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I agree trade is good for countries if it is fair. China is not playing by the rules. Why trade with china if you get fuck over. Why can't America go back to being self sufficient if all they do is lose jobs and not create new ones.
Because economics.
You think Americans want to chop down all the trees in Yellowstone park so that they can wipe their ass with "made in america" toilet paper?
Not going to lie, i took economics in college but was pokering a lot so miss or skip a bunch of classes.
Yea i understand what you are saying, but my thoughts are why trade with a country who you have a negative attitude towards? I guess america is waking up to china's policy and are more open shifting now. I get globalisation is bad for low education people, get better or get left behind. Learn to adept to changing climate.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying or trade in general. The 'negative attitude" is a political lie, China and US have a great trading relationship and good relationship in general. Apple would be what they are nowadays if it wasn't for China, for example. And that trickles to stock owners, and most Americans. Everything is tightly connected.
You , and many fall trap to the "hate the other speech" as it's an easy scapegoat to blame the Chinese for the misery of many Americans. You're not going to start teaching economics, business and technology to millions of uneducated voters so they can understand the real reason why manufacturing spoons in the US is no longer viable. So easy way is "They took er jobs! Hur Hur"
Fucking trump uses and has praised China prior to running his ugly political campaign. Nobody has given a fuck about freedom of Chinese people up until now (except for humanitarian organizations and their extreme leftish propaganda, am I rite?)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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Santafairy Korea (South). Dec 14 2016 20:34. Posts 2233
On December 14 2016 19:07 uiCk wrote:
trickles
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
On December 09 2016 09:30 lostaccount wrote:
[ Do you really believe in main stream medias stats? If china wasn't a threat, there wouldn't be so much china hate.
I love it when people completely demolish their own arguments in two following sentences
let me be clear china is not a threat to the global elites, what i meant is chinese are a threat to the average america cause a lot of their jobs are gone, thats a threat. A threat to the elites are everyone waking up and knowing their plan.
Sorry if i can't articulate myself as well as i should, english is my 2nd language -_-. Shouldn't be an excuse that is why i am taking an english class next year to improve.
Globalisation is a threat to Americans and any labour market in the first world countries. Manufacturing in developed nations is NOT possible in this day and age. We cannot go back to good old times where a state had a semi-sufficient economy (manufacturing/growing most of its things) and not relying heavily on trade. There is a reason why there is a larger % of the US that is able to afford everyday luxuries (and "freedom" then, say 100 years ago.
The only way out is for the Labourers to become "better" (need for higher education) and produce more complex products (financial, technological, and service oriented) for growth to exist. There is a reason why china is shifting away from manufacturing (which is, in modern times, only a 'step" towards growth, gather money and invest in more complex economic entities) and having a giant and exponentially growing higher education population of graduates.
I agree trade is good for countries if it is fair. China is not playing by the rules. Why trade with china if you get fuck over. Why can't America go back to being self sufficient if all they do is lose jobs and not create new ones.
Because economics.
You think Americans want to chop down all the trees in Yellowstone park so that they can wipe their ass with "made in america" toilet paper?
Not going to lie, i took economics in college but was pokering a lot so miss or skip a bunch of classes.
Yea i understand what you are saying, but my thoughts are why trade with a country who you have a negative attitude towards? I guess america is waking up to china's policy and are more open shifting now. I get globalisation is bad for low education people, get better or get left behind. Learn to adept to changing climate.
I don't think you understand what I'm saying or trade in general. The 'negative attitude" is a political lie, China and US have a great trading relationship and good relationship in general. Apple would be what they are nowadays if it wasn't for China, for example. And that trickles to stock owners, and most Americans. Everything is tightly connected.
You , and many fall trap to the "hate the other speech" as it's an easy scapegoat to blame the Chinese for the misery of many Americans. You're not going to start teaching economics, business and technology to millions of uneducated voters so they can understand the real reason why manufacturing spoons in the US is no longer viable. So easy way is "They took er jobs! Hur Hur"
Fucking trump uses and has praised China prior to running his ugly political campaign. Nobody has given a fuck about freedom of Chinese people up until now (except for humanitarian organizations and their extreme leftish propaganda, am I rite?)
well said, that is what i meant by why trade with china if their human right is so bad and going in the wrong direction with their current chairman Xi. I understand america and china both benefit from trade for some but not all. I am a bit naive thinking we should help all who wants help, also thinking everyone is a good soul. I guess i already have a bias against the Chinese system and want them to reform hence why i like trumps tough stance on China. Thanks for the teaching my fellow lper. Either i win or i learn (well except in poker of course jk i learn when i lose in poker too.)
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
China, the world's largest vehicle market, is crucial to GM. Chinese consumers bought more than one-third of the 9.96 million vehicles GM sold globally in 2015. Profits from Chinese operations, including joint ventures, accounted for about 20 percent of GM's global net income of $9.7 billion in 2015.
Ford's China joint ventures represented about 16 percent of its global pretax profit of $9.4 billion in 2015.
There are many ways that China could retaliate against the United States, including leveraging its holdings of $1.19 trillion of U.S. treasuries in September.
China has the ability to sink the US into instant recession
Any actual Trade Wars with China would be a terrible idea.
But IMO, I would assume Trump likes to talk the talk, and is only "posturing" (which on global scale , can have it's own repercussions. )
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Wait they only have 1.2trillion of US's external debt? Thought its much more. That's not even 10% of their external debt, think stating that they could put them into an instant recession is a bit over the top.
I did believe they could do that, but I also believed they own about 5-6 trillion of it
Also lostaccount China is just the common enemy Trump needed. It's always been like that and will always be like that, he took Russia off the table, he needed someone else. The only other country that makes sense is China. Thats basic in politics.
On December 14 2016 21:43 Spitfiree wrote:
Wait they only have 1.2trillion of US's external debt? Thought its much more. That's not even 10% of their external debt, think stating that they could put them into an instant recession is a bit over the top.
I did believe they could do that, but I also believed they own about 5-6 trillion of it
Also lostaccount China is just the common enemy Trump needed. It's always been like that and will always be like that, he took Russia off the table, he needed someone else. The only other country that makes sense is China. Thats basic in politics.
From my limited understanding, cost of debt would increase from a rash decisions by the Chinese (China sells, other nations will follow) , and would be contrary to what the US needs now and in the short to mid term: cheap debt. US stocks are still overvalued and their prices rely heavily on expected future US growth.
Though, like I said, my understanding of this is limited, and "over the top" comment is probably true.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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then, say 100 years ago.
