Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 151

On August 04 2019 18:59 lebowski wrote: what does "only in the panhandle" mean?

Its the northwest part of Florida next to Alabama and Georgia, as in deep south.

Trump thinks its cute and funny that his supporters from there are despicable.

On August 04 2019 05:53 Baalim wrote: Look at the pink-haired comrade snap-triggered when he hears "guys"... followed by SJW jazz hands LOL.

You realize that your posting is just the alt-right version of jazz-hands? People are triggered by stupid stuff, YOU are triggered by people being triggered by stupid stuff.

Andy Ngo warned us that leftist violence was coming to El Paso just five days ago. What does he have to say about the 20 dead and other two dozen of victims from the El Paso shooting now? Absolutely nothing. Not a mention of it. All his tweets since then are still about "antifa terrorists" and he shared the same Democratic Socialist meeting clip. Baal calls this man a journalist unironically.

On August 04 2019 19:47 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2019 05:53 Baalim wrote: Look at the pink-haired comrade snap-triggered when he hears "guys"... followed by SJW jazz hands LOL. You realize that your posting is just the alt-right version of jazz-hands? People are triggered by stupid stuff, YOU are triggered by people being triggered by stupid stuff.

Of course it is, conservatives are masters at projecting. They also aren't aware that they keep switching between two incompatible narratives: (1) leftists are laughable snowflakes no one is afraid of and (2) leftists are the greatest threat on the planet and that's why their main focus is on SJWs instead of fascists.

I think you (and Drone maybe) are giving his ableist bullshit way too much credit though. He's literally just indirectly bullying people whose difficulties he doesn't care to understand. The person who is talking about sensory overload is probably autistic. He chooses to be outspoken about the way his mind works and asks for cooperation because he wants to participate in politics: not stupid. Not clapping but still wanting to express support for something is also not stupid even if it looks stupid. It is in all sense practically superior to clapping as far as I can tell, since it doesn't risk hurting people who are sensitive to the noise and it permits anyone to keep talking without interruptions. I have always hated those clapping interruptions in a political setting personally. It's awkward and a waste of time and energy for the speaker to deal with.

On August 04 2019 13:39 Liquid`Drone wrote: those democratic socialists look a bit silly and self-righteous. A bit like the self-proletarizing academics from radical leftist communities in norway that were all socialist/communist and varying degrees of revolutionary, most of whom largely backed away from their youthful ideals as they learned more about the groups they had been idealizing. But they also strike me as fundamentally constructive. These are not the corrupting forces of american society lol, at worst, they're 'lame'. And the aforementioned radical norwegian leftists, for what talk of violent revolution they engaged in, they never did anything destructive. Meanwhile the trolly right wing sites of the internet are engaging in gamification of serial killing.

a bit silly? quite the understatement

On August 04 2019 19:47 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On August 04 2019 05:53 Baalim wrote: Look at the pink-haired comrade snap-triggered when he hears "guys"... followed by SJW jazz hands LOL. You realize that your posting is just the alt-right version of jazz-hands? People are triggered by stupid stuff, YOU are triggered by people being triggered by stupid stuff.

No, I'm posting people doing retarded shit, like those christian churches where people fake convlusions and neither of these groups should be close to any kind of power.

When I make a "point of privilege" and ask others to stop doing jazz hands because it is traumatizing to me then you will be right.

On August 04 2019 21:44 Loco wrote: Of course it is, conservatives are masters at projecting. They also aren't aware that they keep switching between two incompatible narratives: (1) leftists are laughable snowflakes no one is afraid of and (2) leftists are the greatest threat on the planet and that's why their main focus is on SJWs instead of fascists.

The median SJW as an individual isn't particularly threatening unlike nazis, I rather fight a fat purple haired lesbian than a skin-head biker, they are also more comfortable with extreme violence, (as you've pointed out many times), which is another reason why I find Antifa's violent and censorious tactics counterproductive, since those are the traditional tools of the hard right.

On the other hand I find leftist policies quite dangerous with the potential to hurt a lot of people, I've already explained this to you, I dont see why its hard for you to grasp.

I think religion in particular Abrahamic religions are dangerous, destructive and have killed millions, but I dont think the average priest is very physically scary -_-

I think you (and Drone maybe) are giving his ableist bullshit way too much credit though. He's literally just indirectly bullying people whose difficulties he doesn't care to understand. The person who is talking about sensory overload is probably autistic. He chooses to be outspoken about the way his mind works and asks for cooperation because he wants to participate in politics: not stupid. Not clapping but still wanting to express support for something is also not stupid even if it looks stupid. It is in all sense practically superior to clapping as far as I can tell, since it doesn't risk hurting people who are sensitive to the noise and it permits anyone to keep talking without interruptions. I have always hated those clapping interruptions in a political setting personally. It's awkward and a waste of time and energy for the speaker to deal with.

Drone you ableist swine.

LOL @ the defense of Jazz-hands.

What about the gendered speech thing? aren't you gonig to tell me how "guys" is a transphobic heteronormative patriarchic way to speak and how it kills people?

aaaaaaaaand the Dayton shooter who killed 9 was an Antifa leftitst.

























https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-betts-twitter-politics-social-media/





So is this a leftist terrorist or is he a brave soldier desperate for change like the ICE one Loco?



Who would have thought that spreading paranoid hysteria about concentration camps, the end of civilization and championing the use of violence for political reasons could lead to things like these.

Antifa Ontario kinda supports this leftist terrorist...

It looks like the shooter didn't know what leftism is. Leftism isn't voting for the capitalist Elizabeth Warren and being a Satanist (a hard-nosed individualist/egoist philosophy), or shooting your sister dead for absolutely no reason. Or believing in Russiagate.

"When asked to describe what they believe, many Satanists voice political views that are in line with some form of heterodox libertarianism. This is roughly in keeping with both the theology and culture of Satanism — it emerged from the same '60s counterculture that the modern libertarian movement did, it is at best begrudgingly tolerant of Christianity, and it is very supportive of libertarian beliefs in personal freedom, while its heavy emphasis on individualism often leads to dismissal of ideologies that are seen as promoting collective or hierarchical authority. In this, Anton LaVey's influence on modern Satanism is evident — he cited both Ayn Rand and the book "Might is Right" among his inspirations and is known to have (at the very least) drawn heavily from them while writing the Satanic Bible." (https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Satanism)

Being "antifa" isn't just some opinion. You're not antifa if you say "fascism is bad" or even "kill every fascist". Antifascism is an action-oriented philosophy. You're antifa when you're doing something to combat fascism in your area, not when you just tweet about how white supremacy is bad. There is nothing in the article that you linked that suggests that he was involved in any antifa action. And maybe that's the problem. Just like the other killers he was atomized by capitalism and socially isolated and he didn't have an outlet for his rage. If had been introduced to leftist philosophy and he had started organizing his violent impulses could have been checked by his community.

paranoid hysteria about concentration camps

False cause fallacy again. That's the exact same irrational claim you made before to suggest that the anarchist was influenced by AOC which was provably untrue. Also that "paranoid hysteria" line is the same that Paul Joseph Watson and other far-right agitators use to deny climate change.

Gigabrain shitlord and conspiracy theorist Paul Joseph Watson who tows the same line as Baal when it comes to all things "anti-SJW" is also just as predictable as him:

"While the media has been quick to blame President Trump for the mass shooting in El Paso, they are noticeably quieter about the mass shooter in Ohio, who described him self as a “socialist,” praised Antifa and expressed support for Elizabeth Warren.

"Before it was suspended last night, Connor Betts’ Twitter feed made it clear that he was a left-wing fringe extremist.

Does any of this mean Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders are to blame for the actions of one sick individual. No. But that same courtesy has to be extended to President Trump."


Yep, clearly these are the exact same thing. Warren and Sanders are also well-known for encouraging hatred, division, fear of the other and violence. They also thought there were "fine people on both sides" in Charlottesville.

"Stop traumatizing children with your hysterical nonsense. "

Good point !

"High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a “hit list” of those he wanted to kill and a “rape list” of girls he wanted to sexually assault."

https://www.kron4.com/news/classmates...oter-kept-a-hit-list-and-a-rape-list/


So it looks like the motivations were misogynistic in nature and there is conclusive evidence that he made his "hit list" as far back as 2012 when he was 17 years old. A few years before that, as a middle schooler, he reportedly told one girl he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. The girl and her parents reported the threat to police. He was no doubt an incel and this shooting has nothing to do with his incoherent politics/his Twitter feed of the last year. You'd think that killing his sister and other working-class people at a bar would be a tip-off but no. Watch the right completely ignore this fact and continue their deflection campaign. "'He was a leftist, Trump is innocent!" The same people who deny that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity are the same people who will deny the apparent true motivation behind this shooting.

as a sidenote there's an ongoing internal strife between satanists for 'name recognition'. (bears some resemblance to the ones about anarchy, tbh. )

basically there's the anton lefay church of satan which is all about egoism might makes right with some ritual shiznits intermingled into it all, but there's also the satanic temple, whose seven main tenets are:
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

I know a couple members of the satanic temple, and they are definitely leftists. But they have nothing good to say about the church of satan. No idea which group this one pledged his allegiance to.

(https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/movies/hail-satan-review.html - Jesper Aagard Pedersen, quoted in that article, was my teacher in uni lol. )

It will be interesting to see if the ADL and SPLC identify this as a left-wing extremist murder. A few months ago I pointed out that they labeled a white guy's drunken vehicular manslaughter of another white guy as a right-wing extremist murder because they found pro-white literature in the guys glove box or something like that.

On August 05 2019 14:36 Loco wrote: "High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a “hit list” of those he wanted to kill and a “rape list” of girls he wanted to sexually assault." https://www.kron4.com/news/classmates...oter-kept-a-hit-list-and-a-rape-list/ So it looks like the motivations were misogynistic in nature and there is conclusive evidence that he made his "hit list" as far back as 2012 when he was 17 years old. A few years before that, as a middle schooler, he reportedly told one girl he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. The girl and her parents reported the threat to police. He was no doubt an incel and this shooting has nothing to do with his incoherent politics/his Twitter feed of the last year. You'd think that killing his sister and other working-class people at a bar would be a tip-off but no. Watch the right completely ignore this fact and continue their deflection campaign. "'He was a leftist, Trump is innocent!" The same people who deny that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity are the same people who will deny the apparent true motivation behind this shooting.

Scintillating back and forth

<He was a white male!
>That's irrelevant, he was mentally ill
<He's still a terrorist!
>Okay, he was a left-wing terrorist
<No, that's irrelevant, he was a virgin!
>So he was mentally ill?
<No, he was a white male! Now stop trying to exploit this act of terrorism by bringing politics into it!

On August 05 2019 16:07 Liquid`Drone wrote: as a sidenote there's an ongoing internal strife between satanists for 'name recognition'. (bears some resemblance to the ones about anarchy, tbh. ) basically there's the anton lefay church of satan which is all about egoism might makes right with some ritual shiznits intermingled into it all, but there's also the satanic temple, whose seven main tenets are: One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions. One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own. Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs. People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word. I know a couple members of the satanic temple, and they are definitely leftists. But they have nothing good to say about the church of satan. No idea which group this one pledged his allegiance to. (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/16/movies/hail-satan-review.html - Jesper Aagard Pedersen, quoted in that article, was my teacher in uni lol. )

You don't know which Satanism the guy who killed his sister and 8 other people and who threatened to kill and rape people from middle school onward belonged to?

Lol @ internal strife between anarchists. What do you have in mind? There is no significant internal strife that resembles what you just posted that I know of, except the mockery of anarcho-primitivists and a justified condemnation of their genocidal ableist bullshit. (I'm guessing you're not talking about an-caps, as you probably know that they are not anarchists)

On August 05 2019 17:14 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2019 14:36 Loco wrote: "High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a “hit list” of those he wanted to kill and a “rape list” of girls he wanted to sexually assault." https://www.kron4.com/news/classmates...oter-kept-a-hit-list-and-a-rape-list/ So it looks like the motivations were misogynistic in nature and there is conclusive evidence that he made his "hit list" as far back as 2012 when he was 17 years old. A few years before that, as a middle schooler, he reportedly told one girl he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. The girl and her parents reported the threat to police. He was no doubt an incel and this shooting has nothing to do with his incoherent politics/his Twitter feed of the last year. You'd think that killing his sister and other working-class people at a bar would be a tip-off but no. Watch the right completely ignore this fact and continue their deflection campaign. "'He was a leftist, Trump is innocent!" The same people who deny that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity are the same people who will deny the apparent true motivation behind this shooting. Scintillating back and forth <He was a white male! >That's irrelevant, he was mentally ill <He's still a terrorist! >Okay, he was a left-wing terrorist <No, that's irrelevant, he was a virgin! >So he was mentally ill? <No, he was a white male! Now stop trying to exploit this act of terrorism by bringing politics into it!

You need to go back to school and learn to read. No where am I implying that he was not a terrorist. And I have explicitly stated that it seems like the killings could be political, though it's not known yet if he purposefully targeted his sister. They just weren't in line with any leftist politics including those that he professed on Twitter. Do you have a counter-argument, new evidence to provide, or only distracting nonsense to contribute?