Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 152

https://babylonbee.com/news/study-sho...w96HoqTByWpjOOm8UjrdbL29LzH4V3_f-20bM

Pretty accurate.

On August 05 2019 16:23 blackjacki2 wrote: It will be interesting to see if the ADL and SPLC identify this as a left-wing extremist murder. A few months ago I pointed out that they labeled a white guy's drunken vehicular manslaughter of another white guy as a right-wing extremist murder because they found pro-white literature in the guys glove box or something like that.

Well that's somewhat similar to what they did with Charles Landeros this year as a left-wing version. I don't see why they wouldn't include this left-wing terrorist unless the criteria is that the crime has to fit the politics. Apparently they are ruling out that this is a hate crime, I'm not sure why, so it will have to make it into another category than "extremist murder" because I think that's their hate crime category.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation...vtkjls3vhnabbhn7roqpm27lpe-story.html

On August 05 2019 21:55 GoTuNk wrote: https://babylonbee.com/news/study-sho...w96HoqTByWpjOOm8UjrdbL29LzH4V3_f-20bM Pretty accurate.

"The Babylon Bee is a satirical evangelical Christian website." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee

Why am I not surprised that your thinly-veiled denialism would come from such a website.

USA - China trade war has officially started, which ultimately is going to fuck Russia which is kinda good

On August 05 2019 22:14 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2019 16:23 blackjacki2 wrote: It will be interesting to see if the ADL and SPLC identify this as a left-wing extremist murder. A few months ago I pointed out that they labeled a white guy's drunken vehicular manslaughter of another white guy as a right-wing extremist murder because they found pro-white literature in the guys glove box or something like that. Well that's somewhat similar to what they did with Charles Landeros this year as a left-wing version. I don't see why they wouldn't include this left-wing terrorist unless the criteria is that the crime has to fit the politics. Apparently they are ruling out that this is a hate crime, I'm not sure why, so it will have to make it into another category than "extremist murder" because I think that's their hate crime category. https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation...vtkjls3vhnabbhn7roqpm27lpe-story.html   On August 05 2019 21:55 GoTuNk wrote: https://babylonbee.com/news/study-sho...w96HoqTByWpjOOm8UjrdbL29LzH4V3_f-20bM Pretty accurate. "The Babylon Bee is a satirical evangelical Christian website." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee Why am I not surprised that your thinly-veiled denialism would come from such a website.

lol you are so insane it's not even funny anymore.

If you read past the title, you would know THEY MAKE FUN OF evangelical christians and not support them, and wathever convoluted logic you used to come up with "thinly-veiled denialism" and wathever that means, is just your made up assumption about me posting a satirical website link related to the issue.

On August 05 2019 13:14 Loco wrote: he had a lot more in common with you than me.

hahaha

You know full well that I believe that killing innocent people is terrorism regardless of what the fuck you write about your political views on Twitter, so spare me your bullshit.

No political murderer every see their victims as innocent, you dont think ICE agents are innocent, or any cop who you see as the muscle of fascists, you think everybody is a fascist, a collaborator or a fascsim enabler like you've called me, your revolution will pile up a lot of "guilty" bodies, like they always do.

Loco: "going to a protest in black does not make you Antifa"

Loco too: "this guy hasn't gone to a protest, he isn't Antifa"


You are a mess, take the loss bud.

On August 05 2019 21:09 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2019 17:14 Santafairy wrote:   On August 05 2019 14:36 Loco wrote: "High school classmates of the gunman who killed nine people early Sunday in Dayton, Ohio, say he was suspended for compiling a “hit list” of those he wanted to kill and a “rape list” of girls he wanted to sexually assault." https://www.kron4.com/news/classmates...oter-kept-a-hit-list-and-a-rape-list/ So it looks like the motivations were misogynistic in nature and there is conclusive evidence that he made his "hit list" as far back as 2012 when he was 17 years old. A few years before that, as a middle schooler, he reportedly told one girl he fantasized about tying her up and slitting her throat. The girl and her parents reported the threat to police. He was no doubt an incel and this shooting has nothing to do with his incoherent politics/his Twitter feed of the last year. You'd think that killing his sister and other working-class people at a bar would be a tip-off but no. Watch the right completely ignore this fact and continue their deflection campaign. "'He was a leftist, Trump is innocent!" The same people who deny that there is such a thing as toxic masculinity are the same people who will deny the apparent true motivation behind this shooting. Scintillating back and forth <He was a white male! >That's irrelevant, he was mentally ill <He's still a terrorist! >Okay, he was a left-wing terrorist <No, that's irrelevant, he was a virgin! >So he was mentally ill? <No, he was a white male! Now stop trying to exploit this act of terrorism by bringing politics into it! You need to go back to school and learn to read. No where am I implying that he was not a terrorist. And I have explicitly stated that it seems like the killings could be political, though it's not known yet if he purposefully targeted his sister. They just weren't in line with any leftist politics including those that he professed on Twitter. Do you have a counter-argument, new evidence to provide, or only distracting nonsense to contribute?

Sorry, I didn't mean for my summary of the general media and liberal reaction to every shooting hoping for some way to pin it on the other side, I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth by pinning such a primitive attitude on you, don't worry

I understand perfectly, the killings could have been political, in the sense that he is an agent of the misogynistic imperialist white patriarchy so therefore ultimately part of the alt-right, but not in the sense of his actual politics

It couldn't just be he was a gullible crazy retard, which would also be supported by him falling for alarmist revolutionary leftist rhetoric which we could see on Twitter

so the killings could be apolitical, or they could be political, but the opposite of his actual politics

whew... glad we escaped that

Honestly I'm surprised you're not cheering his apt use of corrective violence against sexual fascists who are hoarding pussy and refusing to redistribute tail to those in need

On August 06 2019 02:38 Baalim wrote: Loco: "going to a protest in black does not make you Antifa" Loco too: "this guy hasn't gone to a protest, he isn't Antifa" You are a mess, take the loss bud.

You see, the moment someone commits horrible violence, he inmediatately stops being a socialist or an antifa member.

On August 06 2019 01:55 GoTuNk wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2019 22:14 Loco wrote:   On August 05 2019 16:23 blackjacki2 wrote: It will be interesting to see if the ADL and SPLC identify this as a left-wing extremist murder. A few months ago I pointed out that they labeled a white guy's drunken vehicular manslaughter of another white guy as a right-wing extremist murder because they found pro-white literature in the guys glove box or something like that. Well that's somewhat similar to what they did with Charles Landeros this year as a left-wing version. I don't see why they wouldn't include this left-wing terrorist unless the criteria is that the crime has to fit the politics. Apparently they are ruling out that this is a hate crime, I'm not sure why, so it will have to make it into another category than "extremist murder" because I think that's their hate crime category. https://www.chicagotribune.com/nation...vtkjls3vhnabbhn7roqpm27lpe-story.html   On August 05 2019 21:55 GoTuNk wrote: https://babylonbee.com/news/study-sho...w96HoqTByWpjOOm8UjrdbL29LzH4V3_f-20bM Pretty accurate. "The Babylon Bee is a satirical evangelical Christian website." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Babylon_Bee Why am I not surprised that your thinly-veiled denialism would come from such a website. lol you are so insane it's not even funny anymore. If you read past the title, you would know THEY MAKE FUN OF evangelical christians and not support them, and wathever convoluted logic you used to come up with "thinly-veiled denialism" and wathever that means, is just your made up assumption about me posting a satirical website link related to the issue.

You are a lying weasel. It is in an evangelical Christian-run website, and that is extremely easy to verify. They are not just making fun of Christians. They are a right-wing website with right-wing satire articles and they are not trying to hide it. There is often a thin line between their satire and full-blown fake news and denialism. The article you posted is an example of how satire can be used to deny the responsibility of the president for the rise of right-wing extremist murders and just how over-represented they are compared to other hate crimes, and that's exactly why you posted it and said "pretty accurate". And they have satire pieces on climate change, as you would expect from a Christian website,that takes the side that it is a hoax.

On August 06 2019 02:35 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On August 05 2019 13:14 Loco wrote: he had a lot more in common with you than me. hahaha   You know full well that I believe that killing innocent people is terrorism regardless of what the fuck you write about your political views on Twitter, so spare me your bullshit. No political murderer every see their victims as innocent, you dont think ICE agents are innocent, or any cop who you see as the muscle of fascists, you think everybody is a fascist, a collaborator or a fascsim enabler like you've called me, your revolution will pile up a lot of "guilty" bodies, like they always do.

Here comes the equivocating shitlord post. You're wasting everyone's time with your bullshit. Your prejudices weren't confirmed by the facts and now you are just trying to distract from the fact that, once again, you have been spreading misinformation. You have no proof this was a political mass shooting related to this guy's politics, even though you have presented it as such from the beginning not knowing the facts. You took two separate pieces of information and assumed that they were complementary but they were not. Now you are doubling down but without fully committing yourself like the weasel you are. You did the exact same thing when I debunked your garbage the last time and you never apologized for spreading misinformation. You set such low standards for yourself it's pathetic.

It seems like you cannot make a single reply without committing a logical fallacy. Here you are again dodging the main subject and making a false equivalence. Who the fuck are you trying to convince that the people who were killed in that bar could be anything other than innocent? There is not one single rational argument to be made that these people were committing a crime, you fucking dingus. There are arguments to be made that when you are a cop or an ICE agent and you act on behalf of a criminal state, you are to be held responsible for the immorality of your actions. That's not a controversial opinion in the slightest, only a willfully ignorant person doesn't understand this when it is explained to them and historical examples are given. Or a fascist who fetishizes police violence, aka authoritarianism. Which is what you are, an authoritarian who is in denial about his authoritarianism.

Connor Betts' Tweets and his incoherent left-wing views had nothing to do with his shooting, he didn't attack ICE members, yet you are acting like if he did. This guy made threats to rape and kill people in high school. He said he fantasized about slitting a girl's throat in middle school. "Baal: Who cares about that, clearly he became violent because AOC used the words concentration camps, and that made him decide to go and attack people!!". Oh yes Baal, he was definitely turned violent because of AOC and the "concentration camps" rhetoric! There was no sign that he was violent before that! Or maybe AOC used a time-machine to go radicalize the guy back in middle school? You fucking nailed it, he obviously got wind that there are people in need of being saved and that made him decide to kill a bunch of working-class people because that's what logically follows, obviously. That's what leftists do, leftists love threatening women and killing working-class people while they are winding down at the bar. Blame antifa! Blame Marx! We knew this was coming!

Yeah you're not a fascist enabler, you just post the shit that fascists want you to post to move the Overton window further right, including direct tweets from actual open fascists and ironic Hitler-praising Nazis. "Who cares who it's coming from! It's just a coincidence that I get my anti-left news from fascists, I could be getting it elsewhere!!!"

your revolution will pile up a lot of "guilty" bodies, like they always do

Same line your Fascist mentor loves using and which you have been using for a decade. He retweeted it again 11 hours ago. He's also sharing the same "far left antifa extremist" lies about the shooting with his buddy Mike Cernovich. Just a coincidence.

christians are nazis

they're using satire to disagree with leftist dogma

Reminder: The El-Paso shooter literally quoted 8 different phrases from Trump in his manifesto - including the "send them back" chant from Trump's supporters. But the real news is anything but that. Ooh, what's that over there? And what about that? Oh wow, that guy tweeted that thing!

Keep being silent about it or deflecting. That's what people with integrity do.

oh the el paso shooter?

On July 16 2019 08:09 Loco wrote: That man did not inspire fear in me or anyone I know, but I understand how he inspired fear in the eyes of a bunch of globalist bigots who are in favor of replacing white people and letting their societies collapse from preventable causes for arbitrary reasons.

8 phrases stolen from trump? yeah why would that be the news? doesn't sound like a very smart guy wouldn't you agree? I mean literature is so vast and he doesn't know anyone to quote but Trump for his manifesto, wow (unless. do you want to charge him with plagiarism in addition to murder and attempted murder?

okay so he used the phrase "send them back," by the way what were the other seven? was any of them "I, Donald Trump, urge you to shoot up Walmarts full of brown people." by any chance?

In short, America is rotting from the inside out, and peaceful means to stop this seem to be nearly impossible. The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations.

I skimmed, sounded kind of like you here. Are you going to shoot up a Walmart? Who can I blame when you do

Donald Trump is a stochastic terrorist. He doesn't need to directly ask specific people that they kill "undesirables" in order to know some eventually will based on his racist and xenophobic rhetoric and policies.

On August 06 2019 14:36 Loco wrote: Donald Trump is a stochastic terrorist. He doesn't need to directly ask specific people that they kill "undesirables" in order to know some eventually will based on his racist and xenophobic rhetoric and policies.

Are you a member of Antifa ?

originally defined by an anonymous blogger posting on Daily Kos in 2011[

stochastic terrorist? is this an environmentalist ploy to use all the mathematicians spinning in their graves as renewable energy by hooking them up to electrical generators? bloggers adopting actual scientific terms to try to leech credibility?

we can't just use the word "random" because then people will be exposed to the fact that actually people aren't vicariously responsible for others' actions... let's obfuscate this with the word "stochastic." woohoo. blogger of the year to that guy. at least he's more rigorous than Quillette right.

some people eventually kill people because some people are crazy, and they almost inevitably will have been exposed to famous people. therefore the famous people are responsible for terrorism of random people, and in fact terrorists themselves, and this morally equates the president of the united states to anwar al alwaki? so being anti-immigration means you are engaging in the same kind of activity as ISIS calling for true muslims everywhere to carry out lone wolf attacks fuck off

if you really believed this shit then bernie would be responsible for the guy that attacked the ICE facility and CNN would be responsible for the congressional softball game shooting

If a leftist mass murders innocents or working class people, his murdering wasn't political so he isn't a leftist terrorist.

If a leftists targets evil people like ICE agents or cops, then he also isn't a leftist terrorist, he is just a fed-up resistence fighter.

so leftist terrirst can't exist... got it.

if leftwing terrorist cannot kill working class people, then right wing terrorists cannot killl rich elitist people.... then Anders Breivik is a left wing terrorist when he killed all those rich kids sons of politicians? LOL

I've always find it funny that the left talks about the working people, which are basically all these "fly-over" states that elected Trump.

All these bible thumping farmers, factory workers, miners etc despise you as much as you despise them

I like how the topics are swinging left and right not only in the media but here also

The problem isnt capitalism, it isnt liberalism, it isnt socialism, it isnt that he is a white male, nor whatever the fuck, his ideologies dont matter even the slightest, any given fucking ideology is toxic when it goes to the extreme, obviously some are extreme by nature, but what you're arguing about is not really the case.

The problem is that people like him have easy access to a weapon. How is it that every single other civilized nation in the world doesn't have this problem with mass shootings? You think there are fewer whackos in Russia or Japan.. or Egypt or Libya? Egypt had a run where there was a terrorist attack virtually on a daily basis in Cairo and it probably still had lower death toll compared to USA's mass shootings on an annual basis

Also lol at using terms like stochastic terrorist, get fucking real. The very fucking word stochastic means that something is measurable. Please go ahead and measure the amount of terrorist acts Trump has caused based on hard fucking data. I hope Trump gets assassinated cause he s a dirty fucking pig, but using such terms don't really change much, other than possibly provoking someone to vote for him for a big 'fuck you.... in case they actually take a day off work specifically to go vote... cause you know this retarded country still has its elections on a fucking Tuesday, how fucking sad is that.


P.S. I'll also take a range of 1 to 1 000 000 as long as you show me the data proving that to be somewhat feasible.