Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 154

Overheating/vomitting pigs in beautiful Sweden. That is what we aspire to, that is real working capitalism. Yum yum yum, that shit looks tasty. The face of progress.

Amen brother this healthy pig looks much more appetizing than that slobbering swine suffocating in the sweltering summer heat you posted



Fuck it looks so pink and delicious. I'm getting hard just thinking about opening up its bacon slices

Anyway that's just what Trump gets. I told him not to use "heat waves" as a campaign platform but no. Now he'll probably lose to Warren. At least as a Native American she'll know how to protect our environment.

On August 07 2019 08:32 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 06 2019 22:20 Stroggoz wrote: stochastic is a word used in mathematics in measuring probability. Imo Trumps rhetoric has increased the probability of mass shootings from the right. There are other factors as well. I dont have the evidence to back this up though.These mass shootings fit the state's definition of terrorism so long if they are motivated for 'political, ideological, or religious' reasons. yep, its still a measurement Also, he might have increased the probability but would you want to insinuate that without evidence? How loosely would we use that term? Even hinting at that without evidence is as bad as using terms like 'micro aggression' which the SJW use.... I doubt Trump has had most shootings during his presidency and even if he does it would probably be statistically irrelevant (tried to look for the data but politicians are not dumb enough to release something like that and cant really find a 3rd party source that bothered keeping track of it)

Do you know what the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory is...? It seems to me that you are getting this topic completely wrong because you are not aware of this fact alone and how it is being pushed/amplified by the loudest white supremacist voices in America (like Trump and Tucker Carlson). Well, maybe that in combination with an overall naiveté as to how mass media operates and its effects on the under-educated human mind.

Sad day when the two poker forums I lurk are wrought with white supremacists. Coincidence? Nah poker players are scummy

what's that? can you explain it to us please?

On August 07 2019 16:34 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2019 08:32 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 06 2019 22:20 Stroggoz wrote: stochastic is a word used in mathematics in measuring probability. Imo Trumps rhetoric has increased the probability of mass shootings from the right. There are other factors as well. I dont have the evidence to back this up though.These mass shootings fit the state's definition of terrorism so long if they are motivated for 'political, ideological, or religious' reasons. yep, its still a measurement Also, he might have increased the probability but would you want to insinuate that without evidence? How loosely would we use that term? Even hinting at that without evidence is as bad as using terms like 'micro aggression' which the SJW use.... I doubt Trump has had most shootings during his presidency and even if he does it would probably be statistically irrelevant (tried to look for the data but politicians are not dumb enough to release something like that and cant really find a 3rd party source that bothered keeping track of it) Do you know what the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory is...? It seems to me that you are getting this topic completely wrong because you are not aware of this fact alone and how it is being pushed/amplified by the loudest white supremacist voices in America (like Trump and Tucker Carlson). Well, maybe that in combination with an overall naiveté as to how mass media operates and its effects on the under-educated human mind.

Didn't know it had an actual name... I also don't remember a single republican president which didn't push the same agenda of 'hurr durr they are stealing our jobs', heck the last of them even did an internal terrorist attack to start two wars

On August 07 2019 09:27 Stroggoz wrote: It's well documented actually, and mass shootings are highest under trump, but they have been steadily rising over time. Liberal academics love studying this stuff, for the reason i came up with before. Capitalists disagree on gun violence which means academics and the media are allowed to think for themselves on this topic. The government doesn't have a monopoloy on the information related to shootings, they are all reported in the media. Like i said before it has more to do with things like the arms manufacturers push for gun culture over the last 160 or so years, and imo social atomization. And mass shootings are actually a small fraction of gun related violence, which is actually the bigger issue here. The evidence would be finding manifesto's that appeal to trump, from shooters. and seeing how many do this-but it is not at the level of scientific argument. You can't make strong arguments when it comes to this. The equivilency with micro aggressions makes no sense to me. if your going to offer opinions and have no studies backing them up it's a lot better to say you have no evidence for them, than to say you have strong evidence when you don't, so people know to view your opinions with serious skepticism.

I'd say it has more to do with a lot of different things like pushing corporate culture, having one of the highest school drop-out rates in the civillized world, having one of the worst medical systems on the planet and etc. Its a combination of social and cultural factors that have been gaining traction for a long period of time.

I agree, it has been due to decades old culture but not gun-wise one only. Trump is most likely an amplifier at the moment indeed, but is nowhere near close the real problems of the country...

It's also amazing that Loco continues responding to someone like Santafairy who is a diehard Trump fan, it's a complete waste of time.

"i'm a real anarchist who wants to end democracy." tbh it's refreshing to hear this kind of honesty after you've been used to hearing dishonest anti-democratic shit from ancaps like "we've been told that our power is to be found in the ballot when it's in fact in our dollar!"

this story might be fake but it's a real treat to read anyway lol. 10/10

One of the things I fundamentally don't understand about anarcho-capitalism is that it ties the ownership of land to actual anarchy. One would think those two are the exact opposites

On August 07 2019 20:25 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 07 2019 16:34 Loco wrote:   On August 07 2019 08:32 Spitfiree wrote: + Show Spoiler +   On August 06 2019 22:20 Stroggoz wrote: stochastic is a word used in mathematics in measuring probability. Imo Trumps rhetoric has increased the probability of mass shootings from the right. There are other factors as well. I dont have the evidence to back this up though.These mass shootings fit the state's definition of terrorism so long if they are motivated for 'political, ideological, or religious' reasons. yep, its still a measurement Also, he might have increased the probability but would you want to insinuate that without evidence? How loosely would we use that term? Even hinting at that without evidence is as bad as using terms like 'micro aggression' which the SJW use.... I doubt Trump has had most shootings during his presidency and even if he does it would probably be statistically irrelevant (tried to look for the data but politicians are not dumb enough to release something like that and cant really find a 3rd party source that bothered keeping track of it) Do you know what the "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory is...? It seems to me that you are getting this topic completely wrong because you are not aware of this fact alone and how it is being pushed/amplified by the loudest white supremacist voices in America (like Trump and Tucker Carlson). Well, maybe that in combination with an overall naiveté as to how mass media operates and its effects on the under-educated human mind. Didn't know it had an actual name... I also don't remember a single republican president which didn't push the same agenda of 'hurr durr they are stealing our jobs', heck the last of them even did an internal terrorist attack to start two wars   On August 07 2019 09:27 Stroggoz wrote: + Show Spoiler + It's well documented actually, and mass shootings are highest under trump, but they have been steadily rising over time. Liberal academics love studying this stuff, for the reason i came up with before. Capitalists disagree on gun violence which means academics and the media are allowed to think for themselves on this topic. The government doesn't have a monopoloy on the information related to shootings, they are all reported in the media. Like i said before it has more to do with things like the arms manufacturers push for gun culture over the last 160 or so years, and imo social atomization. And mass shootings are actually a small fraction of gun related violence, which is actually the bigger issue here. The evidence would be finding manifesto's that appeal to trump, from shooters. and seeing how many do this-but it is not at the level of scientific argument. You can't make strong arguments when it comes to this. The equivilency with micro aggressions makes no sense to me. if your going to offer opinions and have no studies backing them up it's a lot better to say you have no evidence for them, than to say you have strong evidence when you don't, so people know to view your opinions with serious skepticism. I'd say it has more to do with a lot of different things like pushing corporate culture, having one of the highest school drop-out rates in the civillized world, having one of the worst medical systems on the planet and etc. Its a combination of social and cultural factors that have been gaining traction for a long period of time. I agree, it has been due to decades old culture but not gun-wise one only. Trump is most likely an amplifier at the moment indeed, but is nowhere near close the real problems of the country... It's also amazing that Loco continues responding to someone like Santafairy who is a diehard Trump fan, it's a complete waste of time.

What are you talking about? I've completely ignored his last 4 responses to the things I have posted. The last time I "replied" to him was a post that I thought contributed general knowledge to the issue when I introduced the term stochastic terrorism to get a discussion started on that. Apparently I was right to use his comment as a springboard because you at least partly shared his view that Trump isn't to be held responsible for the rise in hate crimes in the country, and now you're engaging us on it. I would call that productive. Obviously I had no intent to debate with him and that's why I didn't respond to anything he wrote since then... I didn't even read most of it. Strange time to make that comment.

So did the other Republican presidents you have in mind also claim there was an active invasion of Hispanic people going on in the country (i.e white people are being replaced/genocided, "The Great Replacement'')? Because that's quite another level of anti-immigrant sentiment. Did they declare a national emergency to fund a wall to protect against this "invasion"? Did they introduce policies that would brutally punish asylum seekers and possibly separate them from their family forever? Did they tell Congresswomen of color to "go back to their country"?

It's true that Republicans have always been pretty racist and promoted the lie that immigrants are just envious of the American way of life and that is why they go to the US and "steal jobs", but Trump literally ran and won a campaign on racism and xenophobia and this is just a continuation of that. It has no parallel. The sources of that are obviously structural and cannot be rooted in Trump himself, but he absolutely has to be held accountable for his violent intolerance and fear-mongering. These words generate enormous fear and terror in vulnerable communities, and it emboldens people to be more openly racist and violent because they see a great symbol of (capitalist) success -- the United States president -- champion them.

Children also live in fear every day, not just migrant/undocumented children, but all American children who are aware that there is climate crisis, and that nothing is being done about it, partly because the current US government is denying that it is happening. They don't have the emotional maturity and resources to cope with this. They're children. Someone who sows that kind of terror in the heart of innocent people is objectively a terrorist. It's impossible to give you the stats that you want, I can't tell you how many bodies he has on his hands, real-world causality is too complex for that, I can only say that he does have a lot of blood on his hands. And it's only going to get worse, because identitarian closure and the violence that is associated with that worsens when people feel that their lives are threatened. The intersecting economic, cutural and environmental crises are not being addressed with the proper tools and they will keep making more and more people feel like their lives are threatened. For as long as capitalism is seen as the only way forward and we keep electing demagogues these crises will worsen.

"This weekend’s mass shooting in El Paso, Texas, has re-opened the festering debates over gun control, immigration, and the president’s penchant for racist hate speech. But the manifesto believed to have been authored by the suspected shooter also reveals another horrific idea edging its way toward the mainstream from the primordial sludge of racist message boards.

Patrick Crusius, the 21-year-old suspect police took into custody after the shooting, is believed to have uploaded a four-page white nationalist document to the message board 8chan outlining his motives for killing at least 22 people at Walmart on Saturday. Included among its racist, anti-immigrant rhetoric are ideas central to the mainstream environmental movement. “Our lifestyle is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources,” it reads.

Where Crusius’ views violently diverge is the solution to these real issues. The manifesto suggests Americans overconsumption will never stop, so the only option is “get rid of enough people” to make the American lifestyle “more sustainable.” Horrific, disgusting, and absurd, this so-called ecofascist ideology uses legitimate environmental concerns to justify racist policies and, sometimes, mass murder." (https://earther.gizmodo.com/how-climate-change-is-becoming-a-deadly-part-of-white-n-1837010929)


Isn't that kind of the Malthusian story of Avengers Endgame? Of course in those movies it's the wealthy capitalist who saves the world and that's what we're supposed to wait around for. Well, time-travel and wealthy philantropists is what we'd be waiting for.... can you blame people for taking it upon themselves to reduce the population when nothing else can be imagined? It's not like we could just replace hierarchical structures with horizontal ones and build an ecological society or anything

On August 07 2019 12:48 Loco wrote: Dude, I know. I've said it many times: these struggles and the dangers white supremacy poses mean nothing to you, you are a disaffected internet shitlord who is just bored with his life. The extent to which you care is the extent to which you are entertained, because that's what capitalism has done to you and others like you, you've been reduced to the status of an alienated, asocial consumer who is always starved for stimulation/entertainment.

Im a capitalist ghoul like your mother lol

It is obvious that you have pushed that narrative that Antifa is both weak and dangerous at the same time around here, even if they are not a threat to you specifically. The escalation of political violence is dangerous, Antifa in its current form isn't very dangerous, but it has the potential to become very dangerous, why is it difficult to understand?. Its you the one who has said stuff about Spencer being terrified and scared of Antifa because he got punched, I suppose its natural to feel the need to see your enemies as ridiculous, the US did that a lot in the WW2 for example. I dont think fascist are afraid of Antifa, the Proud Boys seem actually super pumped about fighting them, also I think the fascist higher-ops also like them becaue its easier to radicalize young people giving them a target like that, its a much easier sell than to punch random minorities (which is already an easy sell somehow). [quote]You have attempted from the beginning to blow their activity out of proportion and downplay the activities of fascists.

It certainly seems that way but its because of you, if instead of you we had a jihadist here defending muslim extremist that would be the topic.

Also, even putting antifa aside, you've drawn an equivalent between the dangers of a Slavoj Zizek and Richard Spencer/Neo-Nazis before, so LOL,

Sigh... I've never compared the "dangers" of them, you have bad memory or are being intellectually dishonest again.

I said that if you justify a leftist punching Spencer then you must also justify a fascist punching Zizek because both see these figures as the antichrist, so thats why we have rules like "no political violence" but you are a simpleton who thinks you can use violence because you are right, and the others are wrong and fail to see that in every war every side thinks behemently they are right.

Loco that's weird to brag about only reading people who disagree with you if they shoot up a Walmart

maybe you shouldn't make everyone morally equivalent, did that ever cross your mind? guy watched stefan molyneux once -> nazi. guy shoots up a walmart full of mexicans -> nazi. why would you encourage a culture that pushes reasonable people further away from each other and towards extremism? actually, I think as an extremist yourself it's what you want. but it's really stupid to look forward to your revolution when you also constantly complain that the right is more dangerous (i.e. more competent at revolutions). tell me what's the Loco approved politically correct way to oppose illegal immigration? doesn't exist right? people don't want to be racist but if you give them an unwinnable situation, just because you're being alarmist out of fear that the one-party Democratic state might be in trouble and want to call people every name in the book, then what's the difference what they believe? your moral rejection is the same, no pleasing, so why would anyone listen to anyone who sounds like you

seems you really like citing the crazy guy's manifesto EXCEPT this part

My ideology has not changed for several years. My opinions on automation, immigration, and the rest predate Trump and his campaign for president. I putting this here because some people will blame the President or certain presidential candidates for the attack. This is not the case. I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that. Many people think that the fight for America is already lost. They couldn’t be more wrong. This is just the beginning of the fight for America and Europe. I am honored to head the fight to reclaim my country from destruction

this guy also mentioned Call of Duty. are video games a stochastic terrorist? is pewdiepie a stochastic terrorist? every time someone sucker punches someone wearing a MAGA hat or attacks a random white person asking them to apologize for trump, that makes CNN and MSNBC and democrats into stochastic terrorists?

No? oh, why not. Because in that case they're resisting, right? But when this guy shoots up a Walmart saying he's fighting back an invasion, he's not resisting evil, he's a terrorist. When people blow up abortion clinics, they're not resisting the evil murder of babies, they're terrorists. When you punch someone in a MAGA hat, it's corrective violence. Your entire worldview is a textbook case of special pleading. One standard for your side and another standard for the rest of us. You're erudite, but not practical, which is why you have to couch these untenable premises in postmodernist bullshit like made-up blogger terms like "stochastic terrorist." it's a fundamental thing that you don't let terrorism affect the fact that your society enjoys freedom. you want to ban the beatles after the manson family murders or what?

I long for the times of reasonable Republicans, I may have had friendly policy disagreements with them, but when push came to shove, they always did the right thing and invaded the Middle East. Now we're just stuck with this racist nut who wants people to "obey" the "law" and continues the exact same border policies that Obama introduced (and Biden had to explain himself about at the last debate) and keeps sending heat waves to kill Japanese people!

On August 08 2019 06:16 Santafairy wrote: Loco that's weird to brag about only reading people who disagree with you if they shoot up a Walmart maybe you shouldn't make everyone morally equivalent, did that ever cross your mind? guy watched stefan molyneux once -> nazi. guy shoots up a walmart full of mexicans -> nazi. why would you encourage a culture that pushes reasonable people further away from each other and towards extremism? tell me what's the Loco approved politically correct way to oppose illegal immigration? doesn't exist right? people don't want to be racist but if you give them an unwinnable

It might sound silly but I do feel "pushed" to the right after discussing with Loco, where as I think the opposite way when discussing with Drone.

I suppose its just the same effect it has on him when he watches heinous Nazi content or when I watch insane SJW stuff.

Insane SJW stuff is when a couple minutes out of a multi-days conference is spent on making sure everyone is feeling included. That is obviously equivalent in its extremism to Neo-Nazis killing people.

Santafairy thinks he's being original taking the exact same criticism I've made of Baal's rhetoric and deliberate misrepresentations of my position as someone who wants highly centralized communism (state capitalism) with the sole purpose of attempting to frustrate me and turning it against me. It's also the same criticism that has been directed towards people like Peterson and Shapiro several times for the right reasons (because they were pushing conspiracy theories like Cultural Marxism and the Great Replacement). Here of course it's just 100% projecting bullshit.

You want proof that it's just bullshit? He complains about misleading moral equivalencies. But Baal literally just drew a moral equivalent between me and a Jihadist right before Santafairy posted, and that was just perfectly fine. What's not fine for Santafairy is when I call a fascist a fascist. Like really, no one is going to comment on the fact that Santafairy just said "guy shoots up a walmart full of mexicans -> nazi" as an attempt to say I'm misrepresenting the El Paso shooter? Yes Santafairy, the guy who shot up the walmart wasn't a Neo-Nazi at all, he just coincidentally shot up brown people, it could have just as well been white people, it's not like he left a manifesto explicitly saying he was an ecofascist who wants to initiate a race war or anything. I must be lying and pushing people towards extremism.

What a terrible and obvious far-right troll. This guy is actually being given the benefit of the doubt by the mod(s) and permitted to casually downplay the agenda of a mass-murdering Neo-Nazi and waste our time with his bullshit constantly. How the fuck does anyone think this is acceptable? Are you people that disconnected from reality or that cowardly that you can't call this out for what it is? I'm more convinced than ever that this place has become an absolute cesspool and it should be left to rot out of existence. I refuse to take part in any future conversation on this website because I would be validating the dreadful incompetence of the site admins by doing so. Don't expect any posts from me on this website anymore. If anyone on here wants my opinion on anything in the future you can just PM me.

By the way, this wasn't the first time Baal drew a moral equivalence between me and people who committed genocide. An example was when the Christchurch shooting happened and 50 people died, he said I was the "other side of the same coin".

https://www.liquidpoker.net/forum/vie....php?topic_id=1145154¤tpage=112#2225

He was denying that white supremacy was a real problem prior to that insane accusation (just like the conspiracy theorist Tucker Carlson has done on Fox News a couple days ago). The El Paso shooter's main inspiration (mentioned in the opening of his manifesto) was the Christchurch shooter. Baal, just like Santafairy, has been actively pushing conspiracy theories and he has been engaged in a misinformation campaign that focuses on downplaying the violence of the far-right on this website while trying to manipulate our perspectives into thinking that the far-left is more dangerous. He has done this over and over again so it isn't the least bit surprising that he isn't warning Santafairy for doing the same.

He just attempted again to smear me and anti-fascists by lying about the motives of the Dayton shooter. He attempted to create a false connection between the rhetoric of people like AOC and the shooting. When I provided the facts showing that he was wrong, he doubled down instead of apologizing, which is consistent with his past behaviour. It is seriously disturbing. We are living in disturbing times. If you don't think all of this is disturbing, and you are not disgusted by Baal making an equivalence between my libertarian socialist views and genocidal Jihadists and White supremacists, you are not my friend and you are not someone I care to ever discuss anything with.

When it comes to Santafairy, Baal is going to predictably take the stance that "everyone can have an opinion" and he "doesn't believe in censorship" and if you are fooled by that, I feel sorry for you. It doesn't take a genius to understand that not every story has two sides. There are facts and there are falsehoods. Every single news organization has reported that the El Paso shooter was a fascist. There is absolutely no excuse for giving Santafairy the benefit of the doubt here, especially since I have posted a part of his manifesto. Santafairy is purposefully trying to mislead people. He has no interest in rational discourse. Allowing this kind of deceitful and intolerant behavior to persist unimpeded is an act of absolute cowardice. It's either the result of a pathological nihilism or a fake neutrality that is an insult to intelligence.

People who peddle conspiracy theories and who have shown themselves to be deceitful over and over again shouldn't be given the privilege of anyone's time. No one owes this far-right clown an audience. There are guidelines for discussion on TeamLiquid but this website has just been left to rot to death with one single admin who has his head so far up his conspiratorial ass he can't see straight. He has been granted the opportunity to turn this place into a micro version of the society that he wants: one where intelligent and evidence-based conversation is not valued, where nothing brings people together and where the only standing principle is that intolerance is to be absolutely tolerated. Well, let it be exactly that. Let the experiment run its course. Observe what absolute tolerance leads to: the destruction of any cohesive social unit; the destruction of rational discourse; the lack of empathy; the hatred of truth-seeking. Enjoy yourselves.

Is my stuff really that hard to read or is this just willful misrepresentation?

On August 08 2019 12:54 Loco wrote: You want proof that it's just bullshit? Baal literally just drew a moral equivalent between me and a Jihadist right before Santafairy posted, and that was just perfectly fine. What's not fine for Santafairy is when I call a fascist a fascist. Like really, no one is going to comment on the fact that Santafairy just said "guy shoots up a walmart full of mexicans -> nazi" as an attempt to say I'm misrepresenting the El Paso shooter? Yes Santafairy, the guy who shot up the walmart wasn't a Neo-Nazi at all, he just coincidentally shot up brown people, it could have just as well been white people, it's not like he left a manifesto explicitly saying he was an ecofascist who wants to initiate a race war or anything. I must be lying and pushing people towards extremism.

I would say you're lying right now, yes, because as much esoteric philosophy as you read, my meager sentences shouldn't be beyond your ability to comprehend unless you're paying me a great compliment by being deliberately obtuse... my problem, if you read the sentence right before, is your moral condemnation of Baal for watching Stefan Molyneux or a Catholic high school student being photographed smiling or presumably Bernie Sanders for talking to the alt-right Joe Rogan or the El Paso shooter murdering over 20 people is identical: they're all Nazis. You just resent anything that touches what you think is the "right." It's obnoxious from one person but it's dangerous when it's the attitude of an entire liberal mob because of it pushing both sides to extremes in rejecting each other. If you give people a standard they can't meet (because you're trying to win a political game), they're just going to stop caring to listen to your opinion of them, and yes you'll push some far enough that they'll probably commit the crime you already sentenced them for.

On August 08 2019 12:54 Loco wrote: What a terrible and obvious far-right troll. This guy is actually being given the benefit of the doubt by the mods and permitted to casually downplay the agenda of a mass-murdering Neo-Nazi and waste our time with his bullshit constantly. How the fuck does anyone think this is acceptable? This place has become an absolute cesspool and it should be left to rot out of existence. I refuse to take part in any future conversation on this website because I would be validating the dreadful incompetence of the moderators here by doing so. Don't expect any posts from me on this website anymore. If anyone on here wants my opinion on anything in the future you can just PM me.

nobody is in favor of murder, you sanctimonious blowhard, in the moral plane that normal people inhabit it's so obvious as to not need mentioning. on the other hand you explicitly supported "corrective violence." so maybe this meltdown is the cognitive dissonance and projection catching up with you.

On August 08 2019 12:54 Loco wrote: Insane SJW stuff is when a couple minutes out of a multi-days conference is spent on making sure everyone is feeling included. That is obviously equivalent in its extremism to Neo-Nazis killing people.

The conference has so many more golden nuggets of insanity Mr. Jazzjands, but you probably know thats not as far as the left's fringe is willing to go, they support the integration of pedophilia into the LGBTQ+ umbrella, didnt ya boy Foucalt lobbied for that? didnt also the founders of Queer theory and the most famous queer theoriest of today also do? like Judith Butler, Patrick Califia, Gayle Rubin, Lisa Ruddick.

How about transitioning 3y/o kids? how about inducing a probably sexually abused little kid into ketamine then taking him into nightclubs so he can strip in drag where men literally throw bills at him and then use that kid as your "drag kids" banner.

How about black supremacist openly calling for the genocide of whites? is that ok? is that worse or better than nazis?

I would go into the idiots who support violence and re-education camps but you are one of those yourself so no need to mention them.

So a bunch of Jazzhands idiots its not as bad as it gets... its just a small clip that shows how ridiculous you are.

Observe what absolute tolerance leads to: the destruction of any cohesive social unit; the destruction of rational discourse.

going full horse-shoe once again lol.

Comrades, can we calm down a little bit? We are all united together as *prefered pronoun*s!
Why trigger your fellow *preferred pronoun*?

i watched like 30 mins of their stream
And seems like a normal conference

- ASL hands is just a way to belong, creates a nice gimmick theme for the conference so why not.
I mean the nature of it doesn't really make sense from their POV as now you're discriminating against blind people in the audience over deaf+people being triggered by the noise but I get it.

- The clip in mainstream media was of an AUDIENCE member. Look at any DNC or RNC , comicon or any other damn convention. There are bound to be a few cooks.
The nature of the solidarity just gives him a voice.

- Same for people presenting. There were older community organisers that sounded reasonable. Most people did actually that I've seen.
Then usual people without ideas that just repeat the same stuff media feeds them for attention and cheap ASL hand reception without much substance (Orange man bad etc. )
And a bunch of young people that seemed a bit lost in life and just enjoy belonging into something, happens to be solidarity and socialism here.
And then a bunch of speeches designed around raising money from people in the audience and stream


All in all, standard non-scientific conference with low vetting of speakers (it was long and needed a lot of people up there afaik)

Love how Baal and Loco blow something so ordinary out of proportion though
You are like LP's version of Fox and CNN boys

You just know both are retarded just blindly pushing their agenda without actually wanting to sound reasonable
But it's also hard to turn away as it's just entertaining and creates drama out of thin air and topics that could just be discussed rationally. With much less fun and emotional charge tho

twitter suspended the account of senate majority leader mitch mcconnell for sharing a video that exposed people making violent threats against the senator, on the grounds that the content violated twitter policy