Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 183

On November 22 2019 07:12 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2019 14:18 Stroggoz wrote: the general culture of holywood makes them some of the most depraved hypocrites in the entire world, i feel like virtue signaling with identity politics is a coping mechanism for this. In any case, havn't seen the movie but it seems like a 2 hour advertisement for an auto company to mislead people into buying ford when toyoto actually makes better cars. Meryl Streep on stage virtue signalin while they give homages to Pollock and Allen while parting with Weinstein, hollywood is the ephitome of hypocrisy.

W. Allen possibly shouldn't be grouped with the rest of these guys, I remember reading a while back about the sexual assault allegations and it's not clear that he did it, this blog post by one of his children is an interesting read
http://mosesfarrow.blogspot.com/2018/05/a-son-speaks-out-by-moses-farrow.html

what'd Weinstein do though

On November 22 2019 07:15 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 21 2019 16:16 RiKD wrote: That Ford F-150 is a beautiful truck. Don't know a lot about the Toyota trucks. But I'd rather have a Camry than a Focus, Fiesta, Taurus, whatever the fuck the equivalent is. I own a Ford Focus ST and I love it.

I guess I can't really talk because I'm not a car person and I haven't actually owned a Camry or a Focus.

Dodge Caravan
Hyundai Elantra
Chevy Equinox
Subaru Forester

They were all cars that did pretty well (Forester still moving along at 150k+ miles). The only thing I really miss from the Equinox is blue tooth capabilities.

Why trucks?

Ive never understood why so many people buy these things when they don't ever drive on rough terrain, why buy something that is more expensive, and due its weight and height it has bad brakes, is slow and handles like shit compared to a regular car.

They win in crashes

On November 23 2019 04:46 Santafairy wrote: They win in crashes

You are more likely to crash in a SUV than a car given their longer braking distances, worse handling and they are many times more prone to roll, also many cars outperform SUVs even in passive safety ratings, for example Volvos.

On November 23 2019 04:45 Baalim wrote: Why trucks? Ive never understood why so many people buy these things when they don't ever drive on rough terrain, why buy something that is more expensive, and due its weight and height it has bad brakes, is slow and handles like shit compared to a regular car.

The truck is a fantasy in line with my fantasy to own a bunch of acres in Wyoming or Montana and start some sort of gentleman's farm. I don't even hunt or fish which is acceptable to own a truck. There was a time I thought about it seriously when I was in steel mills transporting tools, equipment and materials but I burnt out ferociously and ended up in rehab before I could pick my next company car (I inherited the Equinox from the guy before me).

I think the choices were:

Chevy Impala
Chevy Equinox
Chevy Silverado
Dodge Charger

When my Forester goes I'll probably end up getting a Honda Civic since my brother-in-law works at Honda and can get me a rather large discount. I would like an electric car but I don't think there are many chargers where I live and they are still more expensive.

On November 23 2019 06:08 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2019 04:46 Santafairy wrote: They win in crashes You are more likely to crash in a SUV than a car given their longer braking distances, worse handling and they are many times more prone to roll, also many cars outperform SUVs even in passive safety ratings, for example Volvos.

I wouldn't give Volvo as an 'example' cause its more an exception to the rule. A mate of mine had a Volvo @ 900,000 kilometers and it was still running fine - no idea what these Swedes do but that is pretty insane

SUVs are presented as "safer" due to people usually picturing Range Rovers when they hear of SUV

On November 24 2019 02:21 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On November 23 2019 06:08 Baalim wrote:   On November 23 2019 04:46 Santafairy wrote: They win in crashes You are more likely to crash in a SUV than a car given their longer braking distances, worse handling and they are many times more prone to roll, also many cars outperform SUVs even in passive safety ratings, for example Volvos. I wouldn't give Volvo as an 'example' cause its more an exception to the rule. A mate of mine had a Volvo @ 900,000 kilometers and it was still running fine - no idea what these Swedes do but that is pretty insane SUVs are presented as "safer" due to people usually picturing Range Rovers when they hear of SUV

He said people bought SUV because they are safer meaning safety is your #1 criteria by far and then its a bad pruchase because a Volvo would be much better, also there are many other safer cars mostly medium sized sedands like the VW passat.

And again its retarded to priorize passive than active safety, I rather have a lesser chance of crashing than having better outcome in the event of, he might be right that its not because they are safer but that people percieve them as safer without putting much thought behind it, what is certain is that SUVs in general are bad purchases bought for irrational reasons and as a car guy that pisses me off, fuck SUVs.

Aaaaand Warren's poll numbers and especially odds to win with bookies are tanking
maybe the voters aren't as dumb and responding to populism as I thought

She is finding it harder to lie. Her rhetoric is very different from her policies, which are very centrist, quite far to the right of bernie sanders. The word populist has lost all meaning because of it's abuse.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentis...v/24/elizabeth-warren-not-progressive This sums it up well imo.

Bloomberg hopefully sweeps the democrats somehow and then its an easy win at primaries for him. Easily going to consolidate both votes. Otherwise, democrats get crushed by Trump

On November 25 2019 22:56 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2019 02:21 Spitfiree wrote:   On November 23 2019 06:08 Baalim wrote:   On November 23 2019 04:46 Santafairy wrote: They win in crashes You are more likely to crash in a SUV than a car given their longer braking distances, worse handling and they are many times more prone to roll, also many cars outperform SUVs even in passive safety ratings, for example Volvos. I wouldn't give Volvo as an 'example' cause its more an exception to the rule. A mate of mine had a Volvo @ 900,000 kilometers and it was still running fine - no idea what these Swedes do but that is pretty insane SUVs are presented as "safer" due to people usually picturing Range Rovers when they hear of SUV He said people bought SUV because they are safer meaning safety is your #1 criteria by far and then its a bad pruchase because a Volvo would be much better, also there are many other safer cars mostly medium sized sedands like the VW passat. And again its retarded to priorize passive than active safety, I rather have a lesser chance of crashing than having better outcome in the event of, he might be right that its not because they are safer but that people percieve them as safer without putting much thought behind it, what is certain is that SUVs in general are bad purchases bought for irrational reasons and as a car guy that pisses me off, fuck SUVs.

not that they're safer, but people think like in a crash between two vehicles the higher bumper wins and crushes the other one (as far as I know that's true). that's literally I meant "win in crashes" that's why people drive SUVs and trucks. feels invincible. I'm sure they do feel safer because in a car you're just sitting in a chair and feel kind of stupid. also, many americans are not proportioned to fit comfortably in cars.

On November 28 2019 23:41 Spitfiree wrote: Bloomberg hopefully sweeps the democrats somehow and then its an easy win at primaries for him. Easily going to consolidate both votes. Otherwise, democrats get crushed by Trump

he has like 2% or something very unlikely but I agree that he has the best shot at Trump along with Sanders because he gets all the democrats vote and he overlaps a lot with a big portion of Trump's voters.


Warren was irrelevant, she was drawing dead against Trump, Sanders is a huge threat though he can beat Trump thankfully he isn't getting much traction and is kind of stuck.

pretty accurate lol

Yeah, Holocaust denying fascists are pretty well known for having politically accurate webcomics. Thanks Baal.

On November 29 2019 07:16 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 28 2019 23:41 Spitfiree wrote: Bloomberg hopefully sweeps the democrats somehow and then its an easy win at primaries for him. Easily going to consolidate both votes. Otherwise, democrats get crushed by Trump he has like 2% or something very unlikely but I agree that he has the best shot at Trump along with Sanders because he gets all the democrats vote and he overlaps a lot with a big portion of Trump's voters. Warren was irrelevant, she was drawing dead against Trump, Sanders is a huge threat though he can beat Trump thankfully he isn't getting much traction and is kind of stuck.

you want trump in power over sanders, which is quite insane given the following trump policies:

Environmental, cut funding for EPA, denier. Leading the world to environmental catastrophe.
Nuclear: expanded obama's nuclear weapons program from 1.2-2trillion$, got rid of INF treaty, increasing the risk of nuclear war
Economics: Cut taxes for rich, cut the regulation that obama put on banks. (which was very meagre), bringing the banking system back to what it was like under bush.
Foreign Policy: Sanctions on Iran and Venezeula, which harm the population, supports bolsonaro an open fascist, supports the internal coup in bolivia that has carried out multiple massacres on peaceful protestors, supports the saudi kings war on yemen with massive arms funding, which has lead to around 100,000 deaths and 20million more in dire circumstances. Allowed Turkey to invade kurdistan.

hard to think of a worse president, in foreign policy he is par for the course, in economics and environmental he is a complete disaster, and predictably so. Also while personality usually not something i care about trump is clearly suffering from various mental disorders, megalomania being one, and he is generally very gullible and weak minded.

On November 30 2019 09:43 Loco wrote: Yeah, Holocaust denying fascists are pretty well known for having politically accurate webcomics. Thanks Baal.

I did na-zi that coming lol... actually I did but the pun was too good to pass


Didn't your dad literally abandon you and your mom? I mean, it can't get more accurate than that.

On November 30 2019 14:29 Stroggoz wrote: you want trump in power over sanders, which is quite insane given the following trump policies: Environmental, cut funding for EPA, denier. Leading the world to environmental catastrophe.

yep ignoring the potential problem seems unwise, but taking actions that won't solve the problem but cause others is even worse, like Warren's plan that is an absolute distaster that would collapse the economy, I'm not sure what Sander's plan is but I asume some for of taxation on carbon, I dont support that, where are the rational candidates that support a progressive fade out of carbon with nuclear power? I'd support that.

Nuclear: expanded obama's nuclear weapons program from 1.2-2trillion$, got rid of INF treaty, increasing the risk of nuclear war

Trump's war policy was dissapointing, not as bad as Clintong would have been though but Sanders definitelly seems way better on this front no argument there.

Economics: Cut taxes for rich, cut the regulation that obama put on banks. (which was very meagre), bringing the banking system back to what it was like under bush.

The economy under Trump is doing fine and this is basically the reason why I prefer Trump over Bernie, Bernine's policies would destroy the american economy, a government mandated rent price ceiling? are you out of your fucking mind?

Foreign Policy: Sanctions on Iran and Venezeula, which harm the population, supports bolsonaro an open fascist, supports the internal coup in bolivia that has carried out multiple massacres on peaceful protestors, supports the saudi kings war on yemen with massive arms funding, which has lead to around 100,000 deaths and 20million more in dire circumstances. Allowed Turkey to invade kurdistan.

I'm ok with sanctions to Venezuela, the US has no obligation to trade with dictators.

Evo Morales should have been executed for treason long ago, an internal coup to remove a dictator that destroyed democracy is a wonderful thing, I hope things like that happen in Cuba, North Korea, Venezuela etc.

Don't like the international trade of arms and I dislike the Saudis in general, it would be a monumental task for a president to oppose that, I dont think Bernie would but even then he is certainly more promising than Trump on this too.

I dont think the US should police the world, so I support withdrawing from Syria, (but don't support just moving the troop somehwere else in Syria as apparently happened)

Also while personality usually not something i care about trump is clearly suffering from various mental disorders, megalomania being one, and he is generally very gullible and weak minded.

Trump is a clown and it baffles me how somebody like him can end up as the "leader of the free world", but a clown that somewhat maintains the staus quo is better than an ideologue with a bunch of terrible ideas.

LIke what? WIping out student loans? That's the best idea a potential president has had in the US since they freed the slaves

Paying that much for education in a 1st world country is an actual joke.

Sander's proposition of Wallstreet tax will never get him elected though and that could potentially have catastrophic results (mainly cause people in Wallstreet are monkeys and already base their decision heavily on biased strategies cause it makes them money... until it doesnt)