Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 184

On December 01 2019 23:16 Spitfiree wrote: LIke what? WIping out student loans? That's the best idea a potential president has had in the US since they freed the slaves Paying that much for education in a 1st world country is an actual joke.

The price of tuition in the US is so high because of government meddling, stop the exeptions to tuition lending and the predatory lending will drop, thus diminishing demand and lower tuition prices, deregulalte it even further and the drops will fall where they should in a free market.

Wiping out student loans is a bad idea because you either give tax payer money into lenders which is bullshit, or you steal money from lenders which is also bullshit and will send interest rates skyrocketing and will destroy any trust from financial institutions into the gov and that isn't even taking into accoutn that it rewards irresponsible decisions by students and punishes the ones responsible enough to not get in debt or worked hard to pay it.

That is just one of his bad ideas, he also wants to set prices for commodities, he wants rent control, opposes nuclear and while appearing to be an honest politician he is a rent-seeking multimillionare who praised constantly Maduro but distanced himself from Venezuela when shit hit the fan and also is against corporate lobbying but is fine with union lobbying because obviously it suits him.

So a hardpass for me fam, if I'd get to chose from all the precandidates I would chose Tulsi.

Thats why people like Loco who thinks Climate change will literally destroy civilization in a couple of decades (lol) turns a blind eye to nuclear power, because they don't really give a shit about it, its just the a vehicle they use to push their ideology.

My uncle was going on about how Bill Gates found a way to use waste in Kentucky to power the world for 200 years or something like that with nuclear energy. That just seems like common sense. You can't deny that there are structures in place that are terrible for our survivability as humans though. Yes, of course it's about what happens in 50 years but it's also about what is happening now too. I toil away day after day as this exploitable tool for Jeff Besos. That fucker is not Christ like. But, yeah, it's also about what happens in 50 years or even less. You think ecology, immigration, weather, drought, hurricanes, fires, et all are bad now just wait. The planet will become unlivable. For many the planet is not already unlivable but pretty shitty. That will only get worse too if we don't address the oppression (including the oppression of governments).

spot on

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On December 01 2019 23:16 Spitfiree wrote: LIke what? WIping out student loans? That's the best idea a potential president has had in the US since they freed the slaves Paying that much for education in a 1st world country is an actual joke. Sander's proposition of Wallstreet tax will never get him elected though and that could potentially have catastrophic results (mainly cause people in Wallstreet are monkeys and already base their decision heavily on biased strategies cause it makes them money... until it doesnt)

I don't see the problem with the tax, what are the disasterous results going to be? name them. The goal is for the economy to focus more on sectors other than finance, and the tax would disincentive traders from trading. like there is a bunch of rhetoric about how machines are going to take people's jobs, but there are plenty of things in america that need doing, it doesn't have much of a public transportation system compared to european countries, it needs a radical transformation in environmental infastructure. and the problem with the economy is a shortage of demand, well it seems pretty easy to create that demand.

imo the wallstreet tax is a fantastic idea, it was first proposed back in 1970 when financial speculation started growing. It's actually a lot more mild of the solution than the period before neoliberalism where financial speculation was largely just outlawed.

any of the democratic candidates are better than trump if you care at all about the economy, people having jobs and basic dignity, and if your not from america it matters a lot as well. Whoever gets elected in america actually has more of an effect on nz than whoever gets elected in our own country imo-or at least until we can find social democratic candidates. i don't think most american's realize how much they ruin the rest of the world when they choose to abstain from voting, or vote for the greater evil.

yeah i mean joe biden is essentially a clone of hilary clinton. good idea to run another hilary clinton vs trump, that worked out really well the first time.

On November 25 2019 22:56 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 24 2019 02:21 Spitfiree wrote:   On November 23 2019 06:08 Baalim wrote:   On November 23 2019 04:46 Santafairy wrote: They win in crashes You are more likely to crash in a SUV than a car given their longer braking distances, worse handling and they are many times more prone to roll, also many cars outperform SUVs even in passive safety ratings, for example Volvos. I wouldn't give Volvo as an 'example' cause its more an exception to the rule. A mate of mine had a Volvo @ 900,000 kilometers and it was still running fine - no idea what these Swedes do but that is pretty insane SUVs are presented as "safer" due to people usually picturing Range Rovers when they hear of SUV He said people bought SUV because they are safer meaning safety is your #1 criteria by far and then its a bad pruchase because a Volvo would be much better, also there are many other safer cars mostly medium sized sedands like the VW passat. And again its retarded to priorize passive than active safety, I rather have a lesser chance of crashing than having better outcome in the event of, he might be right that its not because they are safer but that people percieve them as safer without putting much thought behind it, what is certain is that SUVs in general are bad purchases bought for irrational reasons and as a car guy that pisses me off, fuck SUVs.

The data is pretty clear that more people die in sedans than SUVs. Do you have any data that cars get into fewer accidents than SUVs? Unless you're a shit driver any car accident you get into won't be your fault and it probably won't be something you can just Andretti your way out of.

On December 02 2019 06:12 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2019 23:16 Spitfiree wrote: LIke what? WIping out student loans? That's the best idea a potential president has had in the US since they freed the slaves Paying that much for education in a 1st world country is an actual joke. Sander's proposition of Wallstreet tax will never get him elected though and that could potentially have catastrophic results (mainly cause people in Wallstreet are monkeys and already base their decision heavily on biased strategies cause it makes them money... until it doesnt) I don't see the problem with the tax, what are the disasterous results going to be? name them. The goal is for the economy to focus more on sectors other than finance, and the tax would disincentive traders from trading. like there is a bunch of rhetoric about how machines are going to take people's jobs, but there are plenty of things in america that need doing, it doesn't have much of a public transportation system compared to european countries, it needs a radical transformation in environmental infastructure. and the problem with the economy is a shortage of demand, well it seems pretty easy to create that demand. imo the wallstreet tax is a fantastic idea, it was first proposed back in 1970 when financial speculation started growing. It's actually a lot more mild of the solution than the period before neoliberalism where financial speculation was largely just outlawed.

cash flows and investments will drop hard for starters, everything else will just be a result of that

On December 02 2019 00:37 Baalim wrote: The price of tuition in the US is so high because of government meddling

Alternatively I could say, look at Europe and how virtually every government here "meddles" with prices and the cost for higher education varies from 0 to some random low amount that anyone with a part time job can support (except the UK where you could get a loan easily and repay it in like 3 years after graduating with a graduate job)

it would be worth looking at european countries that implemented similar financial transaction taxes after the gfc.

On December 02 2019 06:18 Stroggoz wrote: any of the democratic candidates are better than trump if you care at all about the economy, people having jobs and basic dignity, and if your not from america it matters a lot as well. Whoever gets elected in america actually has more of an effect on nz than whoever gets elected in our own country imo-or at least until we can find social democratic candidates. i don't think most american's realize how much they ruin the rest of the world when they choose to abstain from voting, or vote for the greater evil. yeah i mean joe biden is essentially a clone of hilary clinton. good idea to run another hilary clinton vs trump, that worked out really well the first time.

lol no, Warren and Sanders would be disastrous for the economy and possibly Yang too (despise really liking UBI just putting it on top of the fed budget is insane).

Mexico is one of the countries most dependant of the US but our president is still more important to us than the american one, maybe NZ has decent presidents so they aren't that important but Mexico lives in a pseudo civil war with cartels and with profound corruption, currently were are in an economic ressesion with pretty good chances our president will try to re-elect himself and become a dictator in which case I would flee the country, so yeah, the US president isn't that relevant to us right now.

On December 02 2019 13:22 blackjacki2 wrote: The data is pretty clear that more people die in sedans than SUVs. Do you have any data that cars get into fewer accidents than SUVs? Unless you're a shit driver any car accident you get into won't be your fault and it probably won't be something you can just Andretti your way out of.

Thats because that data is skewed by econo-boxes that are far cheaper than an SUV, ïm talking about safe sedans that are on the same prince range.

Its not about Andretting your way out of a crash, but stopping distance will dictate the speed at which you impact the other car and the likelyhood of rolling is also very important.


I assume you've seen the Russian dash-cam videos, any competent driver can avoid like 90% of those crashes, they are almost always caused by somebody doing something very stupid and the dash-cam car reacting very poorly to it.

On December 03 2019 01:49 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On December 02 2019 13:22 blackjacki2 wrote: The data is pretty clear that more people die in sedans than SUVs. Do you have any data that cars get into fewer accidents than SUVs? Unless you're a shit driver any car accident you get into won't be your fault and it probably won't be something you can just Andretti your way out of. Thats because that data is skewed by econo-boxes that are far cheaper than an SUV, ïm talking about safe sedans that are on the same prince range. Its not about Andretting your way out of a crash, but stopping distance will dictate the speed at which you impact the other car and the likelyhood of rolling is also very important. I assume you've seen the Russian dash-cam videos, any competent driver can avoid like 90% of those crashes, they are almost always caused by somebody doing something very stupid and the dash-cam car reacting very poorly to it.

There's even more reasons that are indisputable by the laws of physics for why bigger and heavier vehicles fare better in a crash.

The Russian dash cam videos that could be avoided by competent drivers could also probably be avoided whether they were in a car or an SUV

On December 03 2019 10:50 blackjacki2 wrote: There's even more reasons that are indisputable by the laws of physics for why bigger and heavier vehicles fare better in a crash. The Russian dash cam videos that could be avoided by competent drivers could also probably be avoided whether they were in a car or an SUV

Size and weight is just part of the equation, thats why we have crash safety ratings and sedans in the price range of SUV like the passat, volvos etc score about the same in safety ranges.

Of course a sedan will do worse in a front colission than a bigger SUV, but 20% of fatal crashes involve a rollover and SUVs are many times more likely to roll over than a car and that is only talking about passive safety as I said braking power is very important, so basically if you have 35k and safety is your main concern a Volvo or a passat is a better choice than an SUV, with the added bonus that you are also less likely to kill others.

the impeachment comedy continues lul
like I called it
they will stretch it out as much as they can
so it goes into election times

I don't think it will have any impact whatsoever on the election, the dem strategy the past 4 years has been constant attacks and while it raises the overall discontent to Trump it makes him immune to any hard attacks since Trump being attacked is the status quo now.

I think the DNC candidate will be more frail when it comes to attacks thats why I would say Biden has under 10% of chances of beating Trump, he is the one that will do worse in a campaign, the whole creepy uncle Joe thing would be enough to sink him.

Feels like 2016 all over again
DNC Pushes status quo candidate Biden
Biden proceeds to lose to Trump and everyone is "Surprised"

Random insane quote from Stefan Molyneux time:

fyi everyone random = from yesterday
insane = true

how is that an insane quote
it's simply true, women are facing this reality - with age it's harder to conceive
Trust me it's a big pressure when you are past 30. There are people I know that went through this, puts so much strain on them+relationship in their 30s
And then conceiving at 37+ was a small miracle to them (they gave up already)

It brings you closer to death knowing such a fundamental part of you diminishes and is gone at some point with half of your life ahead of you.


The offensive part is that women HAVE TO think about having kids in the first place - obviously not, who's to say children actually matter in a society that deals with overpopulation, he's just being an ignorant asshole there, hardly insane though

Oh okay
I see people interpret that as HE'D want to be the father
ROFL okay yeah that's hilariously creepy

Guess I'm too close to the topic to realize that