Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 187

Aren't they the real victims here

"On Thursday, December 12th, a message was posted on Twitter along with a video showing an altercation between students on a Hamilton County School District school bus. The incident shown in this tweet actually occurred on Thursday, November 21st, 22 days ago. Since that time the school district has investigated the incident, taken action against the students involved, and turned the information over to the local Sheriff’s office for criminal action. It is implied in the post that the altercation occurred because one of the students involved was wearing a political hat showing support for President Trump. There was no evidence found during the investigation that indicated the student was wearing any of this apparel at the time of the altercation or that his wearing of such apparel on a prior occasion motivated the incident. The incident began with a verbal altercation between two students that escalated when additional students became involved. In addition to the video that was posted online which was recorded by a student, the school district reviewed the bus video which depicted, not only the altercation, but all events prior to the altercation and its conclusion."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maga-students-video/


Speaking of hypocrisy and needing a good reason to support and engage in violence, can you give me a good reason why you support violence towards non-human animals, Santafairy? Is there a reason why you can't sustain yourself on a plant-based diet?

On December 17 2019 04:16 Loco wrote: "On Thursday, December 12th, a message was posted on Twitter along with a video showing an altercation between students on a Hamilton County School District school bus. The incident shown in this tweet actually occurred on Thursday, November 21st, 22 days ago. Since that time the school district has investigated the incident, taken action against the students involved, and turned the information over to the local Sheriff’s office for criminal action. It is implied in the post that the altercation occurred because one of the students involved was wearing a political hat showing support for President Trump. There was no evidence found during the investigation that indicated the student was wearing any of this apparel at the time of the altercation or that his wearing of such apparel on a prior occasion motivated the incident. The incident began with a verbal altercation between two students that escalated when additional students became involved. In addition to the video that was posted online which was recorded by a student, the school district reviewed the bus video which depicted, not only the altercation, but all events prior to the altercation and its conclusion." https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/maga-students-video/

I thought you were cool with corrective political violence against as you call it against these fascist collaborators.

On December 17 2019 04:16 Loco wrote: Speaking of hypocrisy and needing a good reason to support and engage in violence, can you give me a good reason why you support violence towards non-human animals, Santafairy? Is there a reason why you can't sustain yourself on a plant-based diet?

How dare you Santifairy oppose a child getting the shit kicked out of him for political reasons when you are in fact not-a-vegan! check mate !

what a surprise, the video is taken out of context, who would've thought that the retarded right-wingers would use fake propaganda that includes children to spread their stupidity

next time new evidence occurs it will turn out that the kid called them all slaves or something beyond retarded that started it all, but you know, basic logic says put them all in jail (preferably with no questions asked cause again, a 20s video caught mid-action is all that is needed)

P.S. they should probably put in jail the kid that was taping the entire thing, since they didn't help the victim, so they technically helped the other aggressors, maybe they can share a cell with the bus driver

On December 17 2019 04:10 Santafairy wrote: Won't someone think of the 5 helpless kids who either beat the shit out of someone for wearing a hat or being a different color, or even more innocently, just for the hell of it

What if the maga kid said 'can't wait until you fucking niggers are back in shackles, followed by MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - puts on hat mic drop'?

On December 17 2019 04:16 Loco wrote: "On Thursday, December 12th, a message was posted on Twitter along with a video showing an altercation between students on a Hamilton County School District school bus. The incident shown in this tweet actually occurred on Thursday, November 21st, 22 days ago. Since that time the school district has investigated the incident, taken action against the students involved, and turned the information over to the local Sheriff’s office for criminal action. It is implied in the post that the altercation occurred because one of the students involved was wearing a political hat showing support for President Trump. There was no evidence found during the investigation that indicated the student was wearing any of this apparel at the time of the altercation or that his wearing of such apparel on a prior occasion motivated the incident. The incident began with a verbal altercation between two students that escalated when additional students became involved. In addition to the video that was posted online which was recorded by a student, the school district reviewed the bus video which depicted, not only the altercation, but all events prior to the altercation and its conclusion."

i know you're posting this as a "gotcha" because bold + not actually contributing any original thoughts of your own, just posting the first google result of "santafairy wrong maga"

this is going to be hard for you to understand but i saw the results of the school investigation (which by the way, you're awfully credulous when it comes to authority if you think it's helping you btfo people), which is a really interesting result if you're a naive sap who has any faith in US public schools' competence or intentions. okay superintendent came out to do CYA (cover your ass). also mike postle's accomplice investigated him. there was no cheating. not exactly new info there, like we say who knows what happened. this is why i wrote, at best a bunch of black kids beat up a white one for no good reason at all, HMMMM....

On December 17 2019 04:16 Loco wrote: Speaking of hypocrisy and needing a good reason to support and engage in violence, can you give me a good reason why you support violence towards non-human animals, Santafairy? Is there a reason why you can't sustain yourself on a plant-based diet?

IT'S OKAY LOCO

I ONLY EAT

THE FASCIST ANIMALS

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

YEAH MMMM MELT IN MY MOUTH STEAK THAT'LL TEACH YOU YOU NEO-WAGYU BIGOT MOTHERFUCKER

so... yeah i can give you a reason like most elementary school graduates could, protein

and i can also give you a reason i don't need a reason, they're not people

seriously this is what you broke your santafairy posting strike to say?

hey santafairy... got a real puzzler for you here... if you hate people giving brain injuries to vietnamese journalists they disagree with... how come you got a shot of antibiotics for that throat infection? any good reason why you support violence against microbes? kind of hypocritical if you ask me

how do you breathe thinking you're fooling anyone with this neurotic shit flinging worldview

On December 17 2019 09:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2019 04:10 Santafairy wrote: Won't someone think of the 5 helpless kids who either beat the shit out of someone for wearing a hat or being a different color, or even more innocently, just for the hell of it What if the maga kid said 'can't wait until you fucking niggers are back in shackles, followed by MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN - puts on hat mic drop'?

well as we all know "The 14 year old is a rational animal." - Kant so my first instinct would be to question what the other side did to provoke him. people don't just say stuff like that for no reason. perhaps they were black in front of him or something and brought it on themselves

I mean, I am a teacher and I've seen kids fight a lot of times. When I first started teaching I had a strong tendency to always be entirely sympathetic towards kids who came to me because some other kid punched or kicked or shoved them. It was only after teaching for a bit and watching other teachers that I realized that 'why did he do that' is actually a really valid question to ask a kid who comes crying to me, because the instances of unprovoked violence between children are very rare. I mean, many schools will have a couple kids where if some kid says 'kid x kicked me', then you believe the kid because kid x has a history of kicking other kids.. But usually, a kid coming crying to me about some fight means that he lost the fight, it doesn't tell me who instigated it.

So like, I'm not saying that the kid had it coming, or whatever, I don't accept or condone violence either way (and just to be clear, I do always state that to the kids that fight, too. ). But without context I'm not gonna comment on something like this. He could very well be a victim of bullying in general - which is fucking terrible for the kid. He could have been targeted due to his political leanings, which as a Norwegian dealing with politically apathetic kids sounds super weird, but also dangerous and something that your society should deal with. Or it could be that the kid has a long history of dishing out racist abuse because 'it's just words man, I got freedom of speech bro', in which case I honestly don't feel bad for him (not that I think violence is the answer, just that I don't feel bad for him), but hope he at least learned to hide behind the internet. Or it's a combination.. I just dunno.

I suppose all of the kids that fought were also sent to jail, thats why Norway is such a great nation, am i right?

You're also wrong at thinking about the variety of things that might've happened. It's obvious that the 20s video is enough to solve the entire situation. What are you even thinking lol.

On December 17 2019 16:57 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean, I am a teacher and I've seen kids fight a lot of times. When I first started teaching I had a strong tendency to always be entirely sympathetic towards kids who came to me because some other kid punched or kicked or shoved them. It was only after teaching for a bit and watching other teachers that I realized that 'why did he do that' is actually a really valid question to ask a kid who comes crying to me, because the instances of unprovoked violence between children are very rare. I mean, many schools will have a couple kids where if some kid says 'kid x kicked me', then you believe the kid because kid x has a history of kicking other kids.. But usually, a kid coming crying to me about some fight means that he lost the fight, it doesn't tell me who instigated it.

askin questions is bad #believewomen #believekids

On December 17 2019 15:25 Santafairy wrote: so... yeah i can give you a reason like most elementary school graduates could, protein and i can also give you a reason i don't need a reason, they're not people seriously this is what you broke your santafairy posting strike to say?

Lots of words to say very little. My only interest was in posting a source that explains how you jumped on a popular and false narrative before you had the facts because it suited your agenda. I have no interest in this specific news article or debating why kids beating each other up is bad. Yes I "broke my streak" to ask you how you arbitrarily decide who is worthy of violence and who isn't. It's on topic. You seem to think very highly of yourself as some kind of pacifist even though you have a pretty clear appetite for blood and violence yourself which you indulge every day. It's quite a bizarre disconnect.

"Protein" huh? You seriously think that is a good reason? You have no more biological need for non-human animal protein than you have for human flesh protein. What's wrong with plant protein? Is there some elementary school food pyramid or something that you could share with me that explains this?

"They're not people" Well, that's a reason. What makes you think that's a good reason? Should I be allowed to burn dogs and cats for pleasure since they aren't people? Where do you draw the line? If you're going to say they aren't complex or intelligent enough, well, some non-human animals have more complex emotions and intellectual capacities than individual humans who have some important deficiencies, does that mean we should be allowed to eat those humans then?

One-half cup of cooked lentils has:
Calories: 140.
Fat: 0.5 grams.
Carbs: 23 grams.
Fiber: 9 grams.
Sodium: 5 milligrams.
Protein: 12 grams.

According to the National Nutrient Database one-half cup (86g) of cooked black beans contains approximately:
Energy: 114 kilocalories.
Protein: 7.62 g.
Fat: 0.46 g.
Carbohydrate: 20.39 g.
Fiber: 7.5 g.
Sugars: 0.28 g.
Calcium: 23 milligrams (mg)
Iron: 1.81 mg.

The following nutrition information is provided by the USDA for 2 tablespoons (32g) of peanut butter.
Calories: 190.
Fat: 16g.
Sodium: 140mg.
Carbohydrates: 8g.
Fiber: 2g.
Sugars: 3g.
Protein: 7g.

Dave's Killer Bread



You get the point (I hope).

It's a different story trying to eat these 4 or so things for every meal or god forbid eat out somewhere in South Carolina. My sister is vegan and my other sister and brother in law aren't eating meat so this vacation will be a nice place to start over once again. It's reprehensible to eat at McDonald's or Chick-Fil-A or fetishize Wagwu beef or whatever it's called. Pigs in particular have a higher intelligence than dogs. What about the person whose job it is to slit hundreds if not thousands of chicken throats a shift?

"In addition to the physical injuries of actually working in the job, slaughterhouse work also takes a psychological and emotional toll on workers.Van Winkle described how people working in the “stick pit” develop an “attitude that lets you kill things but doesn’t let you care.” Van Winkle described the effects this had on him in his job and in his personal life:

“You may look a hog in the eye that’s walking around down in the blood pit with you and think, God, that really isn’t a bad-looking animal. You may want to pet it. Pigs down on the kill floor have come up and nuzzled me like a puppy. Two minutes later, I had to kill them—beat them to death with a pipe. I can’t care.

“When I worked upstairs taking hogs’ guts out, I could cop an attitude that I was working on a production line, helping to feed people. But down in the stick pit I wasn’t feeding people. I was killing things. My attitude was, it’s only an animal. Kill it.

“Sometimes I looked at people that way, too,” he said. “I’ve had ideas of hanging my foreman upside down on the line and sticking him. I remember going into the office and telling the personnel man that I have no problem pulling the trigger on a person—if you get in my face I’ll blow you away.

“Every sticker I know carries a gun, and every one of them would shoot you. Most stickers I know have been arrested for assault. A lot of them have problems with alcohol. They have to drink, they have no other way of dealing with killing live, kicking animals all day long. If you stop and think about it, you’re killing several thousand beings a day.”

The anger and alienation that follows these workers home often manifests itself as violence against families and against the communities where they live. It is a violence that readily leaks out beyond the boundaries of the slaughterhouse. Like Ed Van Winkle, Virgil Butler found himself becoming increasingly violent the longer he worked at Tyson, and he also noticed the same violence in others he worked with, some of whom abused their families.

The logic of modern animal production demands that animals are moved through slaughter rapidly, with little regard for the side-effects on people and animals. Animals suffer as they are inadequately stunned and slaughtered while still conscious; people, who must do this slaughtering, suffer as they work to silence the parts of themselves that are innately repulsed by the violent acts demanded of them by their work.

Despite the ripple-effects throughout society, the consumption of animal products is so entrenched in our economies and cultures, that most of us eat the by-products of this exploitative system several times a day. As a result, most of us remain blissfully unaware of the violence done to people and animals in our name—for our desires. Similarly, most of us are also blissfully unaware of another aspect of animal abuse for profit, which is entrenched in our scientific and research cultures and lies at the heart of the drug approval process in the United States."

(Excerpt from "Making a Killing" by Bob Torres)

yeah amazing isn't it? so many people in the world doing difficult but essential jobs that we depend on. no man is an island, my correctively violent friend.

On December 18 2019 12:06 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On December 17 2019 15:25 Santafairy wrote: so... yeah i can give you a reason like most elementary school graduates could, protein and i can also give you a reason i don't need a reason, they're not people seriously this is what you broke your santafairy posting strike to say? Lots of words to say very little. My only interest was in posting a source that explains how you jumped on a popular and false narrative before you had the facts because it suited your agenda. I have no interest in this specific news article or debating why kids beating each other up is bad. Yes I "broke my streak" to ask you how you arbitrarily decide who is worthy of violence and who isn't. It's on topic. You seem to think very highly of yourself as some kind of pacifist even though you have a pretty clear appetite for blood and violence yourself which you indulge every day. It's quite a bizarre disconnect.

there's no deciding, you charlatan. nobody deserves to get beaten up

that video look like self-defense to your antifascist remnant of a brain or something?

sure okay yeah eating is an act of violence.

On December 18 2019 12:06 Loco wrote: "Protein" huh? You seriously think that is a good reason? You have no more biological need for non-human animal protein than you have for human flesh protein. What's wrong with plant protein? Is there some elementary school food pyramid or something that you could share with me that explains this?

if i didn't eat beef and chicken regularly i would be too lightheaded not to succumb to the sophistry that every sentence of what people like you say is filled with

is that your endgame? turn everyone into impressionable vegan commieslaves?

go outside and talk to any vegetarian, something is clearly missing. it's possibly okay for women more often because they do less and need less food, but look around really. kevin nealon, alex honnold. listen to their voice and tell me all cylinders are firing. can't run a species or a civilization on soy and lima beans. no offense to any individual vegetarian who can make it work and also manages not to be a snooty self-righteous asshole.

On December 18 2019 12:06 Loco wrote: "They're not people" Well, that's a reason. What makes you think that's a good reason? Should I be allowed to burn dogs and cats for pleasure since they aren't people?

yes

On December 18 2019 12:06 Loco wrote: Where do you draw the line? If you're going to say they aren't complex or intelligent enough, well, some non-human animals have more complex emotions and intellectual capacities than individual humans who have some important deficiencies, does that mean we should be allowed to eat those humans then?

don't worry buddy you're probably not that delicious or tender

you're the idiot who brought this up. you draw the fucking line. you tell me whether it's okay to genocide bacteria and why like i said. don't try to distract. also tell us why livestock are more important than suspected conservative transgressors.

There is very little to address in your incoherent post filled with logical fallacies. If you are outraged about racist violence but you are fine with speciesist violence -- which is just as unnecessary -- then you are a hypocrite. If you were logically consistent it wouldn't matter to you which form violence stemming from discrimination takes, only that it is unnecessary.

Not only are you okay with speciesist violence, but you are glorifying it. And not only are you glorifying speciesist violence, attempting to obfuscate it and lying about its necessity, but you are also being willfully ignorant about the impacts that this unnecessary violence has on the psyche of the human individuals that you pretend to care about. You are more than okay with supporting industries that causes people to become more violent, not just towards non-human animals, but towards human beings as well.

By all evidence you are a hypocrite, and you support violence when it is unnecessary but convenient to your interests. QED.

P.S. anyone who says that it is morally acceptable to burn cats and dogs (or any other sentient beings) alive for pleasure is automatically discredited from engaging in any discussion about morality. People on this site have absolutely no excuse left to engage with you in the future now that they have seen this admission out of you.

nobody said racist violence... sounds like someone has a guilty conscience

your posts will end up in a textbook under "concern trolling"

speciesist violence lmao

don't teach trout to avoid bears. teach bears not to commit piscean murder by fishing. after all they're smarter than some humans

Mosquito: bites Loco
Loco: escorts it to some standing water and writes to his local government about some kind of rehabilitation program for violent mosquitos

imbecile

Gulagboy VS Children-come-from-parents man... what a battle of giants LOL.



On other news Trump was impeached by the house today, nothing surprising and now ere just going through the motions whent he senate inevitably shuts it down on january 7th.

I'm curious what effect will have on the elections, Republicans will be enraged so they will go out and vote, democrats are already very anti-trump I think the effect of convincing dems to vote will be lesser of the enraged republicans, what I don't know is what effect will this have in the centrist or apolitical people.

I think it will help Trump (but I want most dems pre-candidates to lose) so I'm trying to see past my bias but it feels like Trump has been attacked so much that he is now bulletproof so the DNC can only focus on a positive campaign for their candidate and hope Trump doesn't do too much damage which won't be easy.

Judging by the bookies' odds
It's clearly helped his chances

We miss you Loco but debates with Santafairy and Baal getting a hard on calling you tankie and gulagboy is definitely not what at least I missed. I fully support the boycott of this forum. Your posting brings out the worst from those fuckers. I wish I had the capabilities to build a bot that would fact check this thread and your fact checking is much appreciated but I don't know if it's worth it. Of course, probably only you can weigh the pros and cons. But Gojira just came up in a Spotify playlist and THAT is the Loco I missed. I am .6666 through Tree of Knowledge and THAT is the Loco I miss. I had a good conversation about the movie Capernaum the other day and THAT is the Loco I miss. Ok, I also miss the debates on here but it seems to have deteriorated past a point of no return so that is a shame.

Impeachment was an absolutely necessary step to combat a wholly corrupt and traitorous president. Electoral strategy is just a secondary consideration. I mean lets look back at the original impeachment issue which was Russia collusion. There was a major investigation, a whole lot of lies were uncovered, people went to jail, but there wasn't a smoking gun that clearly tied the president to collusion. But with what we know from the Ukraine hearings, where its completely confirmed that the president went out his way to interfere in the 2020 elections, its utterly preposterous to believe that when aggressively approached by Russia for assistance in the 2016 election that Trump said "no thx, that would be wrong". With the Russia investigation fizzling (fizzling in the sense that a massive spy operation was still uncovered), greedy Trump couldn't keep his hand out of the cookie jar. If Democrats had pussied out and let the Ukraine bribery slide, god knows what schemes Trump would feel free to be carrying out now. Of course yeah, with Republicans controlling the Senate and modern Republicans being the pathetic cowards that they are, Trump easily gets off here. But if Democrats are too scared to even attack Trump on paper they deserve to lose 2020 anyway.

Regardless of whether this was a "morally" right thing to do, he s never gonna get thrown out of office in the next vote and he's gaining more out of the entire situation. Democrats are hurting themselves just as they did 2016 and will again lose cause of dumb fuckery unless somehow Bloomberg magically wins the democrat nomination