Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 2

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Is it me or did he just wave the middle finger to Rolling stones ? :D

So Hillary does not make a concede speech after giving Trump so much shit for saying he wont accept the results -_-

I am an example of why I think the predictions were messed up. I registered democrat to vote for Sanders but there was no way I would vote for Hillary. I agree the DNC was arrogant and greedy and fucked up. I still remember how well Sanders was polling against Trump. Not that there necessarily would have been progress (republican congress) but it would have been great progress just to have Sanders in there as president.

What I was saying earlier about Wikileaks. If they now put their scope on the republican party I would be thrilled. Specifically career politicians in congress and the crooks in big business.

If the Donald continues to steer clear of the banks and big x, y, z that is a major redeeming quality for me. I am almost sure he will change his rhetoric quite a bit. He is a shape shifter. I hate that quality in human beings but perhaps that is what is needed in current day politics. Exceptional actors. We will see.

On November 09 2016 07:05 Spitfiree wrote: I highly doubt that Trump has that many supporters. He s not winning the elections cause of people believing in him, he s a small delusional man and I refuse to believe people are not aware of that. Guess they just got tired of the system running this way. I have no clue how do they expect things to change now though, but thats another thing Both options were equally bad I guess so it doesn't really matter. Worst that could happen with Trump is actually dropping measures against Russia and allying w them and ignoring the rise of Turkey.

Why is a hostile attitude towards Russia a good thing? ideally I'd like to see some cooperation between the biggest military superpowers rather than this growing tension and polarization.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol.../wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html

not a single goddamn poll ever favoring trump

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...i/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...nnsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html

Donald was on an interview with David Feherty on the Golf Channel. Donald was not a completely different person but the way he spoke, his mannerisms, what was discussed was night and day to a rally in Mississippi. I liked that Donald. Like any good narcissistic sociopath he is great at charming and manipulating. In part I am just writing my thoughts. It could be rationalizations that everything is going to be ok. I am getting texts from people freaking out. I want to be an ass. People are overreacting. People are getting emotional and venting. It is all part of being a human today. It is a show. We will see.

On November 09 2016 08:30 Santafairy wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol.../wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html not a single goddamn poll ever favoring trump http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...i/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...nnsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html

I thought about that I mean, its very easy to create a very big sample of data, Im no expert on polls but it feels to me that the margin of error should be way smaller, any knowledgeable people here who knows why this happened?

I don't get this him being rich gonna help him not get owned by banks. "im alrdy rich i dont need more money" said nobody ever.

That being said, a corrupt leader isn't always a bad leader. A lot of great leaders were corrupt but they were still great.

On November 09 2016 08:18 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 07:05 Spitfiree wrote: I highly doubt that Trump has that many supporters. He s not winning the elections cause of people believing in him, he s a small delusional man and I refuse to believe people are not aware of that. Guess they just got tired of the system running this way. I have no clue how do they expect things to change now though, but thats another thing Both options were equally bad I guess so it doesn't really matter. Worst that could happen with Trump is actually dropping measures against Russia and allying w them and ignoring the rise of Turkey. Why is a hostile attitude towards Russia a good thing? ideally I'd like to see some cooperation between the biggest military superpowers rather than this growing tension and polarization.

Because they are ignoring civil rights, because they invaded a territory which isn't theirs, made a false referendum to claim it as their own ? Because any opposition to Putin either gets killed or put in jail. Because they are trying to wreck the same region that hey had been wrecking for decades?
I'm not saying others are much better, but at least they cover basic morals like freedom. You can't allow them to be hositle, there is no tension growing, Russia probably doesnt have 20% of the capacity USA has on a military level. Its one of the reasons they had to take Crimea - they lacked a fleet, they've been building it from Day 1 of the invasion

the average IQ in the whole world is pretty low

On November 09 2016 06:50 Baalim wrote: The DNC was so arrogant to believe that they could shaft Sandes who was demolishing Trump on all polls and pick Hillary who was polling a marginal favorite. they got greedy. you reap what you sow

QFT, Dems fucked themselves by rigging the primaries for the only candidate that could possibly lose to Trump

On November 09 2016 08:18 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 07:05 Spitfiree wrote: I highly doubt that Trump has that many supporters. He s not winning the elections cause of people believing in him, he s a small delusional man and I refuse to believe people are not aware of that. Guess they just got tired of the system running this way. I have no clue how do they expect things to change now though, but thats another thing Both options were equally bad I guess so it doesn't really matter. Worst that could happen with Trump is actually dropping measures against Russia and allying w them and ignoring the rise of Turkey. Why is a hostile attitude towards Russia a good thing? ideally I'd like to see some cooperation between the biggest military superpowers rather than this growing tension and polarization.

I am not 100% sure about what i'm saying, but i once heard its not a bad thing for both superpower to be of similar strenght. Right now, you can see some sort of "europe USA" vs "china russia". Obviously, both side have no interest in starting a war because everyone would die. But now lets say for a second Russia was in allies side and china was alone.... what if trump decided to start a war on China because its FUNNY LOL. I doubt it would happen but yea.

On November 09 2016 09:32 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 08:30 Santafairy wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol.../wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html not a single goddamn poll ever favoring trump http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...i/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...nnsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html I thought about that I mean, its very easy to create a very big sample of data, Im no expert on polls but it feels to me that the margin of error should be way smaller, any knowledgeable people here who knows why this happened?

I mean if we go backwards, obviously they couldn't find the voters.

So why couldn't they find the voters?
-Polls overestimate third party/other performance
-People didn't want to answer Trump
-My guess would be pollsters aren't random random, but controlled random, where they identify certain demographics like race, gender, political affiliation, and try to weigh them all in equal proportion to the population. The problem being whatever dimensions Trump excelled at weren't detected in the methodology - like working classed-ness or whatever. Polls can't apparently can't measure enthusiasm/turnout.

Should be noted that Hillary actually won the total votes ( popular vote ) and Trump only won because of the stupid electoral college bullshit.

Also republicans have always made it extremely hard for many people ( minoroties etc ) to vote by doing things like having very few polling stations in poor area's so that voting lines are hours and hours long. They actually do a bunch of shit, because basically Republicans always do much better when voter turnout is low. So while there are definitely a ton of stupid Americans, there is also a lot of corrupt bullshit going on that allows shit like Trump to become president. Also the fact that the DNC pushed and coroborated to get the worst candidate ever as their nominee hurt a ton too.

Weed is legal in California now tho so theres that . 6th largest economy in the world making weed legal should be a huge push for making it legal nation wide and maybe world wide.

On November 09 2016 16:39 Fayth wrote: the average IQ in the whole world is pretty low

the average iq in the world is always 100. ;p if that stops being the case, then tests/scoring is redesigned.

that said, iq has been rising, and quite significantly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flynn_effect for more information!

On November 09 2016 09:32 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 08:30 Santafairy wrote: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol.../wisconsin_trump_vs_clinton-5659.html not a single goddamn poll ever favoring trump http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...i/michigan_trump_vs_clinton-5533.html http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epol...nnsylvania_trump_vs_clinton-5633.html I thought about that I mean, its very easy to create a very big sample of data, Im no expert on polls but it feels to me that the margin of error should be way smaller, any knowledgeable people here who knows why this happened?

And overall turnout was at like 2004 levels of around 120m? which is down from 2008's 130m and people thought even up to 140m could turn out in this contentious election (I personally thought Clinton had a strong general lead, but a polarized one, where there was a small chance of Trump having a big secret edge, but basically I thought even if Trump lost he would outperform McCain and Romney and disprove that he was the "wrong" style of candidate for the future). this shows some of what people couldn't account for, who was apathetic and who was enthusiastic.

On November 09 2016 06:43 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2016 06:27 RiKD wrote: I want more Wikileaks. Stronger bullshit police. Justice. Truth. Fuck the 1%. Wikileaks supported Trump or to be more precise hated Hillary way more, in fact their hack with the emails might have been enough to sway the election, so maybe a hacker changed the course of history... interesting.

That was what I feared the most. The thing is, soon after I watched the recent interview with Assange, and he was so damn confident that Trump couldn't possibly win regardless. I figured if someone would know the outcome of this election in advance, he did. This is what shocked me the most last night.