Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 212

Any other video democrats would be all over screaming white supremacists. Never does anyone mention of black supremacists.

Really have no idea why stupid liberals insist we support "affirmative action policies." Why should this poor man's children be forced to have higher standards than the perpetrator's children in order to compete in society?

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On March 24 2020 06:05 Baalim wrote: Ah the democrates holding the stimulus plan for things that matter lol

Democrats are the real racists of America.

Let's just hand out $13m to Howard University. Awesome!

https://medium.com/@nntaleb/corporate...vestors-managers-not-you-3b31a67bff4a

Taleb shitting on american's status quo as usual

I was looking at bookies for president odds
expecting trump to slide down because he (obviously - 0 experience) doesn't know what he's doing with Corona, economy is tanking

But he is more likely to be elected now

I was like WTF

And then it hit me

Grandpa biden can't use his normal schtick and has to work from home
using streaming etc.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/28/joe-biden-campaign-coronavirus

People are not stupid enough to blame the president for a global pandemic

On March 29 2020 03:25 Santafairy wrote: People are not stupid enough to blame the president for a global pandemic

He literally called it a hoax, compared it to the flu and reacted too slow and now the US is a mess when it could have been handled like in Corea or Taiwan, in his defense most of the west reacted as poorly as him and now they are paying the consecuences.

Most of the time presidents are somehwat irrelevant, but in time of crisis they are very important and the world showed its mostly led by a bunch of unqualified bufoons.

Out of western leaders trump is uniquely bad in how he responded to it. Other countries did a lackluster job, too, but they were not calling it a hoax, not saying 'now there are 15, soon there will be 0', not saying 'I have a feeling when april comes by it will miraculously disappear'.

I don't give Trump any blame for the global recession that follows (well I'm inclined to think that overstimulating it in the first place makes the hit harder than it wouldve been and gives less options for a keynesian response, but I'm no economist), but how he responded to the virus in the first place is a perfect example of why leadership qualities and not just ideological leanings are important traits in a politician, and why his anti-science I trust my gut feeling approach to life are very dangerous traits in a president.

did he call it a hoax or are you guys propagandizing?

On March 29 2020 16:14 Santafairy wrote: did he call it a hoax or are you guys propagandizing?

does it matter? he called climate change a hoax which is about 100x worse. Are you actually going to reflect on this if someone gives you a source?

Not going to be an issue as I looked it up before asking and even snopes wasn't this brazen, it isn't even internally consistent what drone said. There are 15 cases and oh it's a hoax though..?

Give me a break with the smarmy nonsense

"One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax."

that's him talking about the corona virus during a rally, one month ago.

Trump is many things, but his biggest mistake is his short-sightedness, its probably all of his businesses failed too. He singlehandedly cut the budgets of - the CDC, NSC, DHS, and HHS to fight against possible international diseases and help prevent pandemics.

@Lemon its no wonder that he is up in polls, idiots think he is a strong decision-maker, because he takes action, even though his actions are mostly retarded in the long run. Right parties are generally preferred during times of hysteria and panic.

Depending on how this goes in the US, people might actually understand why there should be safety nets set for society.

On March 29 2020 17:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: "One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax." that's him talking about the corona virus during a rally, one month ago.

On March 29 2020 11:55 Liquid`Drone wrote: Out of western leaders trump is uniquely bad in how he responded to it. Other countries did a lackluster job, too, but they were not calling it a hoax, not saying 'now there are 15, soon there will be 0', not saying 'I have a feeling when april comes by it will miraculously disappear'. I don't give Trump any blame for the global recession that follows (well I'm inclined to think that overstimulating it in the first place makes the hit harder than it wouldve been and gives less options for a keynesian response, but I'm no economist), but how he responded to the virus in the first place is a perfect example of why leadership qualities and not just ideological leanings are important traits in a politician, and why his anti-science I trust my gut feeling approach to life are very dangerous traits in a president.

I disagree, its just that the other leaders are better "politics" so they know how to give non-compromising statements, but the inaction was just the same, i remember perfectly Macron saying he was not gong to close the border with Italy when the infeciton was spreading like crazy, Trump is just a big mouthed moron and it bit him more publicly in the ass

What western countries that haven't experienced this in 100years have actually responded well?

pattern is the same
Populist politicians undershoot it, then start some half assed policies
Then start to panic and suddenly you see medical and hygienist background staff come to forefront and things start happening with the politicians trying to stay in limelight to get credit.

Even trump did a total 180, this happened in many countries. UK's Johnson was way worse than trump - at first they wanted to let it spread on purpose, curfew 70+ do this experiment of herd immunity and then did total 180 when it was too late and even Johnson himself got the virus, can't make this up

On March 29 2020 17:17 Liquid`Drone wrote: "One of my people came up to me and said, 'Mr. President, they tried to beat you on Russia, Russia, Russia.' That did not work out too well." Trump told the crowd. "They could not do it. They tried the impeachment hoax. ... They tried anything. ... And this is their new hoax." that's him talking about the corona virus during a rally, one month ago.

so when he talks about the Russia hoax is he saying Russia doesn't exist? or is this linguistic trickery

trump's response isn't "uniquely bad" so much as you are rabidly and opportunistically anti-trump because it'll never be out of vogue

the fact that there is a pandemic is not unique to western leaders (look at europe getting ravaged by this) or even US presidents. because the president is not elected to stop once in a century pandemics. his job is to keep the country running. even imagine there's one guy who is like "hey 100 people have this disease that we can't test for we need to shut down the biggest economy in the world for two weeks to a month at least before. firstly, people wouldn't say that probably for fear of getting fired. second, if anyone said it, nobody would follow that guy as he would probably be the only one saying it, despite being right in this case, the situation is so unique it's impossible to weigh all the risks and come to such a drastic conclusion until people actually see consequences (cases/deaths), third nobody would ever listen to that hypothetical soothsayer, not trump, not anyone in the west or almost anywhere.

think about it. "a thousand people in china are coughing... we need to shut down the biggest economy in the history of world."

there is no handbook, no precedent for this. he met the taskforce for this in january for the first time. the cdc was quarantining slightly and barely testing. what about the cdc? what about decades of bureaucratic bullshit in the US healthcare system that we shit on regularly? i mean eventually what happened everywhere, including china, will get wikileaked or something hopefully. but come on.

you guys... you point to like 2-3 ethnically homogeneous oriental democracies with socialized medicine that can respect authority and have no social aversion to being mask-clad germophobic hermits and go "see we could have done this and handled it this way"

no, you couldn't have. and that's not trump's fault. that's why nobody did it, not one country that isn't a freak case. you have no history of this, no preparation for this, no plan for this, and no practice with this. this is a systemic problem which is why we didn't have coronavirus vaccines ALREADY after SARS blew over.

when it comes to shutting down travel I can't imagine another hypothetical president doing it sooner than trump for obvious reasons. and that's a serious thing. the medical association here recommended banning china very early and the president didn't do shit. same with europe, trump banned europe and the EU was whining vas ist dis vir haben keine problem mit dem coranavirus bitte don't hurt our beautiful economy.

you guys are what i call opportunistically naive

based Lemon

Yes we re very opportunistic at the president still saying things like " why would you want 30,000 breathing ventilators those numbers seem overexaggerated most hospitals only had 1-2 until now " - he s an absolute moron that can't even grasp the situation.

Mostly agree with your fundamental reasoning behind what his job is and that nobody actually handled it properly in the West World, not even the nordic countries nor Switzerland and that exposes a good opportunity to flame Trump for not helping prevent the situation and that is fair. However, he is NOT handling this well at all after the fact either. He is pushing agenda such as 'opening the country by Easter' which is in ... 2 weeks ... because economy would possibly collapse. Do you know what will happen then? Mass spread of disease, hospitals being overloaded, too many sick people to actually work, except this time the healthcare system will also collapse so not only the economy will fall, but a lot of people will die too. Even Boris Johnson, who was the biggest supporter of herd immunity has taken measures to help spread the curve of the spread, meanwhile the US is contributing to 1/3 of the daily cases of coronavirus and by the end of tomorrow will have 2x the total cases of China with nothing being done, since many governors won't even declare a state of emergency. (not that Trump can do much about that though)

Political matters literally don't matter right now, nor does your views of the world, the economy or whatever, there are proven methods on battling pandemics and there are certain steps that could be done, not following them is simply idiotic. This is a really good rough representation of pandemics. Obviously not even close to being complex enough to represent the real-life and I'd say the actual representation of corona would be worse that even the most skeptical prognosis displayed here as the incubation period is so long, too many people don't follow the precautions and there re still countries that haven't even put themselves in quarantine.

I'd say in the long-run countries that didn't quarantine themselves will fuck themselves even more badly, cause nobody will open borders to them due to the risk of wave 2, by the looks of it - that will be the USA