Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 213

US is 330 million people, this is more than i think any 5 european countries combined? give me rates baby rates

"with nothing being done" nothing is being done in the US?

it is mixed messaging but i'm not a psychologist. if you tell people to stay home, it's the apocalypse, you will simultaneously create instant self-quarantining as well as empty store and food shelves, destroy the supply chain and tank the economy. that's the point of staying stay home, if we work together, we can be finished by <the near future>. the same way you tell kids mommy will be home from the hospital this week. is there nothing to be said for not destroying people's spirits...

Do you really not see problems with his messaging? I watch the daily press conferences and he's such a petty child, I'm baffled by how it can continue to baffle me, talking about how governors are not sufficiently grateful for the amazing help they're getting. He can't just see the situation as separate from party politics, separate from himself, separate from the election. First he orders GM to start producing ventilators, then he says 'I don't think NY will need 30k of them'. I also noticed that you focused on the arguably questionable statement that 'it was a hoax', without focusing on 'it's 15 cases now, soon it will be 0' - a statement he made at a time where it was blatantly obvious to everyone who paid any attention that the US would most certainly get to 6 digit infected number (with how big and diverse your country is, staying below 1 million infected would have been a massive success, more impressive than that of SK and Singapore). He talks about important issues without knowing the first thing about them. This is his MO. It's a big problem.

yeah that's in poor taste obviously. on the other hand you can hear when he says how proud and thankful he is of the people and all workers who are helping

to be fair I've been watching Cuomo and I didn't have a super impression of him. Kind of melodramatic and going on about bleeding heart stuff that's not relevant. And he was also like "we're NY give us all the ventilators" I thought it came off selfish

of course we'd rather have too much than too little but that goes back to supply should have been started production long ago but hindsight is 2020

You can be 100 percent right about something without knowing anything about it also. That's not good either. His team seems solid

The thing is the economic response is really important to get right also because it ensures people follow the health rules and that response is paid for and people don't riot and I worry about Washington

On March 30 2020 17:18 Santafairy wrote: US is 330 million people, this is more than i think any 5 european countries combined? give me rates baby rates "with nothing being done" nothing is being done in the US? it is mixed messaging but i'm not a psychologist. if you tell people to stay home, it's the apocalypse, you will simultaneously create instant self-quarantining as well as empty store and food shelves, destroy the supply chain and tank the economy. that's the point of staying stay home, if we work together, we can be finished by <the near future>. the same way you tell kids mommy will be home from the hospital this week. is there nothing to be said for not destroying people's spirits...

I can give you a better example

1.5billion China - if you re going to go with such numbers, those numbers are really whatever though ( and you can say- ye communists - ye people not allowed to move and numbers are probably incorrect, but the matter of fact is that whatever the real numbers are, the disease is almost fully contained there)

Also, you cannot compare the US to Europe since the US has the least amount of people per sqr foot, while Europe is literally packed, there is probably not a single place on the entire continent where you could drive for more than 20km and not see a habitable area, at this point it doesn't matter that we don't have any megapolises except like London since people are travelling between smaller areas constantly (this might also be an argument that the virus could spread much faster because of it)

You don't tell people its the apocalypse because its not. You tell them that if they don't quarantine themselves they are the reason the country could collapse and educate them on the topic. We won't run out of food, that's a joke. You obviously don't want to cause mass panic. Stating the opposite though -> 'hurr duur we open the country' 'why would we invest in medical equipment' etc. is a joke though, his statements are VERY far off from the point you re trying to defend. Those are two completely separate worlds

Trump is a moron and probably one of the least qualified people to handle this. I think nothing says that more than when he asked his medical advisers why they couldn't just use the flu vaccine to fight coronavirus. Imagine having to pretend that's not the dumbest question you've heard all day because you don't want to offend the thin-skinned orange man.

But it's also clear that a lot of the criticism is just unhelpful partisan bickering. It's a global pandemic that's going to kill a lot of people. It's not a coincidence that the countries that are handling this the best are the Asian countries that have been through shit like this before. These are broad cultural differences and it's not something that Western countries can just implement in the matter of weeks/months.

A friend of mine just moved to San Fran and she wanted to catch up. When I was explaining to her why can't get together right now she was simultaneously trying to explain to me how it's no big deal to get together and this is all Trump's fault anyway. No matter how many times I explained it I still don't think I was able to get her to understand the stupidity of having those thoughts simultaneously.

Jeus fucking christ our dear president went to Ovidio's Guzman birthday, he went to his little town, said hi to the family, ate with them etc, this level of cynicism is unprecedented even by dictators, what in the actual fuck.

He didn't even give a shit about taking peoples phones so no pictures could be taken... nah just take pictures of me with the biggest criminal organization in the world, whatever.




(Guy cricled is el Chapos brother, obviously a wanted criminal in Mexico and by the DEA)

These are your left wing latinamerican heroes you morons, thanks.

Eating assemble yourself tacos with drug cartel bosses
That's some patriotic shit right there Baal!

On March 30 2020 22:10 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On March 30 2020 17:18 Santafairy wrote: US is 330 million people, this is more than i think any 5 european countries combined? give me rates baby rates "with nothing being done" nothing is being done in the US? it is mixed messaging but i'm not a psychologist. if you tell people to stay home, it's the apocalypse, you will simultaneously create instant self-quarantining as well as empty store and food shelves, destroy the supply chain and tank the economy. that's the point of staying stay home, if we work together, we can be finished by <the near future>. the same way you tell kids mommy will be home from the hospital this week. is there nothing to be said for not destroying people's spirits... I can give you a better example 1.5billion China - if you re going to go with such numbers, those numbers are really whatever though ( and you can say- ye communists - ye people not allowed to move and numbers are probably incorrect, but the matter of fact is that whatever the real numbers are, the disease is almost fully contained there) Also, you cannot compare the US to Europe since the US has the least amount of people per sqr foot, while Europe is literally packed, there is probably not a single place on the entire continent where you could drive for more than 20km and not see a habitable area, at this point it doesn't matter that we don't have any megapolises except like London since people are travelling between smaller areas constantly (this might also be an argument that the virus could spread much faster because of it) You don't tell people its the apocalypse because its not. You tell them that if they don't quarantine themselves they are the reason the country could collapse and educate them on the topic. We won't run out of food, that's a joke. You obviously don't want to cause mass panic. Stating the opposite though -> 'hurr duur we open the country' 'why would we invest in medical equipment' etc. is a joke though, his statements are VERY far off from the point you re trying to defend. Those are two completely separate worlds What an absolute moron

"we" won't run out of food

someone might run out of food if panicked sheeple are hoarding everything and emptying shelves, yes

the US has the least amount of people per square foot? did you give what you're typing even one second of thought before posting this disingenuous bullshit or do you think we're all so stupid that it would just slip by?

do you think the virus is jumping between neighbors living 5 mile apart from each other in montana or is it clustered in florida and washington and san francisco and new york, which include some of the most populous and most densely populated places on earth

yeah so china, if you don't count all the bodies that were secretly burned along the way, has got the situation mostly under control since their outbreak started 4 months ago at the beginning of december, or possibly earlier, now let's just ignore the fact that they're a single party police state for a second - WHY CAN'T THE US GET ITS ACT TOGETHER AND DUPLICATE THIS WONDERFUL INSTANT MIRACLE

The population density in Europe is literally 4 times that of the US, the fact that I have to state this for you is funny. US citizens are concentrated in few narrow specific areas which makes it much easier to contain the virus, since you can block the entire area off, while in Europe you simply can't do that. It's literally what China did, is it too hard of a concept for you to grasp?

That being said, its already too late since Trump though its just a flu.

yes US citizens are concentrated in a few narrow specific areas

which makes it peanuts for the virus to spread there like wildfire

dude it's so easy to defeat once in a century pandemics that have a mortality rate of 1-10% depending on the demographics and if the curve overloads the healthcare system just seal off a city of 10 million several times and enforce curfew like a communist police state for 3 months ez game gg no re

Why do China and the US have cities but Europe doesn't? Did we evolve separately

The name of the game is not to contain the virus geographically but stop people getting infected

Wow people in California are sick let's cut off California so only the tens of millions there get it and we protect the empty desert of Arizona

US can't legally restrict interstate travel and Europe has Schengen

This was not foreseeably preventable

Though it would have been inexpensive to prep earlier for the contingency

Trump says he sees himself as a wartime president

The thing about the US is they always reelect during war

On March 31 2020 19:20 Santafairy wrote: US can't legally restrict interstate travel and Europe has Schengen This was not foreseeably preventable Though it would have been inexpensive to prep earlier for the contingency Trump says he sees himself as a wartime president The thing about the US is they always reelect during war

We have Schengen except all travel between countries is stopped except for truck drivers, all countries are on lockdown, most of us are on heavy quarantine. Many US states are still not doing shit - do you understand how crazy that is?

And unfortunately, you're probably right about Trump. If elections even happen this year, considering there'll be millions of infected in a few months the way things are going (talking about the US alone)

On March 31 2020 19:20 Santafairy wrote: The thing about the US is they always reelect during war

https://www.globalresearch.ca/america...2-out-of-239-years-since-1776/5565946

America has been at war for 93% of it's history. That doesn't include backing client states at war, nor acts of terrorism. So more accurately, america is in a constant state of aggression towards the rest of the world and it has elections during that time.

* No U.S. president truly qualifies as a peacetime president. Instead, all U.S. presidents can technically be considered “war presidents.”

On March 31 2020 22:50 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On March 31 2020 19:20 Santafairy wrote: US can't legally restrict interstate travel and Europe has Schengen This was not foreseeably preventable Though it would have been inexpensive to prep earlier for the contingency Trump says he sees himself as a wartime president The thing about the US is they always reelect during war We have Schengen except all travel between countries is stopped except for truck drivers, all countries are on lockdown, most of us are on heavy quarantine. Many US states are still not doing shit - do you understand how crazy that is? And unfortunately, you're probably right about Trump. If elections even happen this year, considering there'll be millions of infected in a few months the way things are going (talking about the US alone)

wow you had schengen until after thousands of people started dropping dead? sounds like a totally legitimate and effective strategy of prophylaxis i'm impressed at the speed and competence of european leaders in foreseeing this catastrophe. too bad drumpf can't be as good as them.

Stroggoz come on. I'd rather be literally Stroggified than read another garbage blog like that
-Banana Wars
-Sabine Expedition
wow sounds like serious stuff i wonder what happened next year
-No Major War
oh... no major war, not like the Sabine Expedition

-Anti-Piracy War
yeah wow the US such a warmonger and threat to peace. wtf i love the taliban now! most cliche grow-your-hair-out-wear-flip-flops-and-smoke-a-peace-pipe hippie nonsense article

who can forget ww1 and ww2 the most infamous wars of American aggression when they arrogantly decided it was their destiny to conquer the world and attacked everybody else

Well the Japanese certainly did, even though they were unnecessarily nuked twice for testing purposes

I don't think there's a way to separate states in the US surely
every EU country has their own armed forces, border patrol and state + city police forces

Shouldn't be enforceable in the US without deploying entire army +reserves as there's so many borders between states

On April 02 2020 10:22 LemOn[5thF] wrote: I don't think there's a way to separate states in the US surely every EU country has their own armed forces, border patrol and state + city police forces Shouldn't be enforceable in the US without deploying entire army +reserves as there's so many borders between states

It doesn't have to be absolute or no separation at all, there are independence in many varying degrees and you can take away power from the federal government in many ways.

On April 02 2020 09:27 Spitfiree wrote: Well the Japanese certainly did, even though they were unnecessarily nuked twice for testing purposes

sure the confederacy invented the zerg too didn't they arcturus?