It doesn't logically follow that because cops engage with a group more they are more likely to shoot them justifiably unless the group is actually more dangerous to their safety. Otherwise obviously it means racism is involved. But it's well documented that people of color are more harassed by the police and have been for a very long time despite not being more dangerous. It's nearly as indisputable as the longer sentences. It has always been that way and since the beginning of the bullshit war on drugs you have had entire task forces that were created for that sole purpose.
But even that distinction between 'dangerous' groups is something that I have to be careful with because the cops weren't any more justified to kill "dangerous" black leaders like they did. They were dangerous for the interests of a white supremacist state, which is not a state that you want to preserve in the first place, unless you're a white supremacist. Being dangerous in itself is not something to condemn. It would be profoundly ignorant and ahistorical to think that because a state recognizes a group as dangerous then that makes them necessarily bad.
If you're talking about groups and use Asian Americans as an example then it's not discrimination, properly understood. If Asian American representation at, say, Harvard, has only been steadily growing over the years (it has) and they currently account for 25.4% of Harvard admissions, while representing only 5.5% of the population, they are clearly not being discriminated against as a group. You could make a case that individuals are being discriminated against, but again, this is a misunderstanding of what we mean by discrimination and it misses all of the nuance of what it means to have been a victim of systematic oppression for centuries. And if you are going to issue blame somewhere for the current way in which applicants are chosen, it should be towards legacy systems first, not African Americans.
As for the law, I would be against it in Canada and other progressive places. If it were to pass in a state (or say rural areas) that is highly conservative and where people have more respect for the law and less respect for marginalized trans people (to not say extreme antagonism towards them), I would not oppose it. Of course that kind of law wouldn't be able to pass there in the first place, but if it did, it would slightly help with the degree to which trans people could be dehumanized, but it would obviously be a band-aid solution. The solution isn't to give more power to the state, it's to give it to people who are the actual agents of social change -- as long as they can be educated into being decent human beings.
Even though this has no bearing on the practical reality out there, the point in my bringing this up is to indicate that I am not a dogmatic deontologist: I am willing to leave my principles for personal freedom aside in niche cases where harm reduction is significant, clear and obvious for those who are most at risk of harm. This is obviously the same logic with which I can justify repressive violence towards fascists who are organizing with the goal of committing genocide. Allowing the personal freedom of a group to fuel hatred and the inevitable violence that follows from that isn't the priority in my ethical system.
Yes, I wasn't in favor of Dankula being in legal trouble, even though he is a shithead. Don't have time to address your last point right now.
As for the pic, its not clear from your message but I assume you know that's Mitt Romney. That is real opportunism right there.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
I don't follow individual Twitter users, sorry, reddit is better designed for memes
This one is one of my favs vvv (the meme, not the user)
But like Spitfire said, it's already too easy to laugh at right-wingers just with their own content, so I barely spend time looking at memes. Recent example:
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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MezmerizePLZ United States. Jun 08 2020 06:16. Posts 2598
On June 06 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:
Funnily enough, the race that does the best in virtually any metric are the jews, so under Loco's anti-racist system he would systematically discriminate against jews the most, where have I heard that before?
LOL
Baal you are a saint for continuing this conversation with a mentally incapacitated young man. I really think it makes his day
On June 06 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:
Funnily enough, the race that does the best in virtually any metric are the jews, so under Loco's anti-racist system he would systematically discriminate against jews the most, where have I heard that before?
LOL
Baal you are a saint for continuing this conversation with a mentally incapacitated young man. I really think it makes his day
Baal recently asked the question, "is there something more pathetic than virtue signalling?"
I believe this certainly qualifies. You are coming to a place where your unique role is that of a cheerleader for your favorite party. You use ableist insults in lieu of making arguments because you don't have the ability to make them.
"After Hitler’s defeat in World War II, the newly democratic government of West Germany knew it had to face the evils of the past.
Nazi industries that used slave labor, such as the steel and artillery producer Krupp, were dismantled. High-ranking Krupp CEOs were judged war criminals at the Nuremberg Trials and imprisoned.
Pressured by Israeli leaders David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann, German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer agreed to pay three billion German marks in reparations to Israel between 1953 and 1967. Germany also paid 450 million German marks to the World Jewish Congress, an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations.
Assuming the midcentury rate of four German marks to $1, that’s the equivalent today of $7 billion for Israel and $1 billion for the Jewish Congress."
[...]
"By 1956, the German state was supplying 87.5% of Israel’s state revenue. The young new country used the money to buy equipment and raw materials to build up its industry, railways and electrical grid. Mining equipment, irrigation, and fuel were also high on the list of Israel’s reparations-fueled development priorities."
[...]
"Reparations went to individuals, too. In 2000, the German government, together with partner organizations from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the not-for-profit Jewish Claims Conference, created the Remembrance, Responsibility and Future Foundation.
By 2007, the organization had paid a total of $4.9 billion to 1.66 million people worldwide who’d been forced into labor and servitude by the Nazis, or to their living descendants—their share of the wealth slavery produced for Germany.
Most recently, the German government in 2013 agreed with the Jewish Claims Conference to pay about $1 billion for the home care of all elderly Holocaust survivors.
"As a result of the reparations paid, Germany’s open admission of guilt and the policies it put in place to prevent another Holocaust from occurring, German-Jewish relations have largely normalized since World War II."
Compare this with the history of the US, where African Americans essentially built the country to be what it is today and no reparations were paid whatsoever, and where racism is still so rampant and the slavery itself has not ended but has only morphed into a new form and been placed behind closed doors (see the Netflix documentary "13th" posted in the Movie recommendation thread and John Oliver's prison labor segment).
To say that with this history and with the on-going proven systematic oppression these people face, these people are categorically not deserving of any sort of help because it's "unfair to Jewish people" is just incredible. Whether the people who generally take this stance are just incredibly ignorant or incredibly callous I don't know.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them. That been said I think there are other undisputable evidence of prejudice like prison sentences being longer, however that brings up to play other interesting factors like men recieving longer sentences than women in a much more drastic way than between any race disparity.
Loco, going back on your authoritarian positions, you say there is no law about pronouns but you fail to mention your position if there were one, lets say Canada passes a bill that would classify deliberately misgendering somebody a crime, punishable by jail or fines, would you oppose this bill? or you think people should be free to misgender people if they want?
Do you oppose CountDankula facing legal repercussions because he posted the nazi-pug joke?
What a waste of 20 minutes... I didn't mention quotas on affirmative action I said discriminate in favor of a race means you discriminate against other ones, also I mentioned the big academic success between men and women, do you Universities administration take that into account and favor men over women in applications? yes/no why?
PS: still waiting for the dank meme twitter account, those two you posted were pretty mediocre and a big fan of political-compass memes.
Exactly.
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hiems United States. Jun 08 2020 14:30. Posts 2979
On June 06 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:
Funnily enough, the race that does the best in virtually any metric are the jews, so under Loco's anti-racist system he would systematically discriminate against jews the most, where have I heard that before?
LOL
Baal you are a saint for continuing this conversation with a mentally incapacitated young man. I really think it makes his day
Baal recently asked the question, "is there something more pathetic than virtue signalling?"
I believe this certainly qualifies. You are coming to a place where your unique role is that of a cheerleader for your favorite party. You use ableist insults in lieu of making arguments because you don't have the ability to make them.
"After Hitler’s defeat in World War II, the newly democratic government of West Germany knew it had to face the evils of the past.
Nazi industries that used slave labor, such as the steel and artillery producer Krupp, were dismantled. High-ranking Krupp CEOs were judged war criminals at the Nuremberg Trials and imprisoned.
Pressured by Israeli leaders David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann, German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer agreed to pay three billion German marks in reparations to Israel between 1953 and 1967. Germany also paid 450 million German marks to the World Jewish Congress, an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations.
Assuming the midcentury rate of four German marks to $1, that’s the equivalent today of $7 billion for Israel and $1 billion for the Jewish Congress."
[...]
"By 1956, the German state was supplying 87.5% of Israel’s state revenue. The young new country used the money to buy equipment and raw materials to build up its industry, railways and electrical grid. Mining equipment, irrigation, and fuel were also high on the list of Israel’s reparations-fueled development priorities."
[...]
"Reparations went to individuals, too. In 2000, the German government, together with partner organizations from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the not-for-profit Jewish Claims Conference, created the Remembrance, Responsibility and Future Foundation.
By 2007, the organization had paid a total of $4.9 billion to 1.66 million people worldwide who’d been forced into labor and servitude by the Nazis, or to their living descendants—their share of the wealth slavery produced for Germany.
Most recently, the German government in 2013 agreed with the Jewish Claims Conference to pay about $1 billion for the home care of all elderly Holocaust survivors.
"As a result of the reparations paid, Germany’s open admission of guilt and the policies it put in place to prevent another Holocaust from occurring, German-Jewish relations have largely normalized since World War II."
Compare this with the history of the US, where African Americans essentially built the country to be what it is today and no reparations were paid whatsoever, and where racism is still so rampant and the slavery itself has not ended but has only morphed into a new form and been placed behind closed doors (see the Netflix documentary "13th" posted in the Movie recommendation thread and John Oliver's prison labor segment).
To say that with this history and with the on-going proven systematic oppression these people face, these people are categorically not deserving of any sort of help because it's "unfair to Jewish people" is just incredible. Whether the people who generally take this stance are just incredibly ignorant or incredibly callous I don't know.
"LoCo RaNGeR"
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On June 06 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:
Funnily enough, the race that does the best in virtually any metric are the jews, so under Loco's anti-racist system he would systematically discriminate against jews the most, where have I heard that before?
LOL
Baal you are a saint for continuing this conversation with a mentally incapacitated young man. I really think it makes his day
Baal recently asked the question, "is there something more pathetic than virtue signalling?"
I believe this certainly qualifies. You are coming to a place where your unique role is that of a cheerleader for your favorite party. You use ableist insults in lieu of making arguments because you don't have the ability to make them.
"After Hitler’s defeat in World War II, the newly democratic government of West Germany knew it had to face the evils of the past.
Nazi industries that used slave labor, such as the steel and artillery producer Krupp, were dismantled. High-ranking Krupp CEOs were judged war criminals at the Nuremberg Trials and imprisoned.
Pressured by Israeli leaders David Ben-Gurion and Chaim Weizmann, German Chancellor Konrad Adenauer agreed to pay three billion German marks in reparations to Israel between 1953 and 1967. Germany also paid 450 million German marks to the World Jewish Congress, an international federation of Jewish communities and organizations.
Assuming the midcentury rate of four German marks to $1, that’s the equivalent today of $7 billion for Israel and $1 billion for the Jewish Congress."
[...]
"By 1956, the German state was supplying 87.5% of Israel’s state revenue. The young new country used the money to buy equipment and raw materials to build up its industry, railways and electrical grid. Mining equipment, irrigation, and fuel were also high on the list of Israel’s reparations-fueled development priorities."
[...]
"Reparations went to individuals, too. In 2000, the German government, together with partner organizations from Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, the Czech Republic, and the not-for-profit Jewish Claims Conference, created the Remembrance, Responsibility and Future Foundation.
By 2007, the organization had paid a total of $4.9 billion to 1.66 million people worldwide who’d been forced into labor and servitude by the Nazis, or to their living descendants—their share of the wealth slavery produced for Germany.
Most recently, the German government in 2013 agreed with the Jewish Claims Conference to pay about $1 billion for the home care of all elderly Holocaust survivors.
"As a result of the reparations paid, Germany’s open admission of guilt and the policies it put in place to prevent another Holocaust from occurring, German-Jewish relations have largely normalized since World War II."
Compare this with the history of the US, where African Americans essentially built the country to be what it is today and no reparations were paid whatsoever, and where racism is still so rampant and the slavery itself has not ended but has only morphed into a new form and been placed behind closed doors (see the Netflix documentary "13th" posted in the Movie recommendation thread and John Oliver's prison labor segment).
To say that with this history and with the on-going proven systematic oppression these people face, these people are categorically not deserving of any sort of help because it's "unfair to Jewish people" is just incredible. Whether the people who generally take this stance are just incredibly ignorant or incredibly callous I don't know.
What does that have to do with what I said? I said that under your affirmative action program the race that does the best academically and economically, the jews, would be the most affected, I wonder where I've seen that rethoric about taking privileges away from jews that they have gained unfairly over others... such a new idea.
Also you failed to adress my thing about men/women, since we underperform academically compared to women should we get a handicap over women in colleges admissions, yes or no and why?
And not only that, but if anyone disagrees with you, they are deeply racist, yes everyone is morally inferior to you bright anti-racist warrior, also here is a quick life tip, using the term "ableist" outside of reddit and your bubble of idiots only makes people cringe at you.
On June 08 2020 02:33 Loco wrote:
It doesn't logically follow that because cops engage with a group more they are more likely to shoot them justifiably unless the group is actually more dangerous to their safety. Otherwise obviously it means racism is involved. But it's well documented that people of color are more harassed by the police and have been for a very long time despite not being more dangerous. It's nearly as indisputable as the longer sentences. It has always been that way and since the beginning of the bullshit war on drugs you have had entire task forces that were created for that sole purpose.
Of course it does, you need encounter-lethality data, lets say of every 100 robbery dispatches when the perpetrator was of X race, how often was he killed? if there is a race discrepancy then you have a case for police race bias.
If a group is doing more crime than other thus having more of these dispatches and getting killed more often, you don't have a police race bias problem on regards to these killings.
Of course you can argue that the reason for this is policing groups at different rates, in which case we'd have to see if that is based on race of crime reports on the area, and if its because of crime on the area, then you can argue it happens because of socio-economical reasons derived from racism, but that is a different argument which is the first one, that police are more trigger happy against certain race, to prove that, you need encounter-kill ratio.
If you're talking about groups and use Asian Americans as an example then it's not discrimination, properly understood. If Asian American representation at, say, Harvard, has only been steadily growing over the years (it has) and they currently account for 25.4% of Harvard admissions, while representing only 5.5% of the population, they are clearly not being discriminated against as a group. You could make a case that individuals are being discriminated against, but again, this is a misunderstanding of what we mean by discrimination and it misses all of the nuance of what it means to have been a victim of systematic oppression for centuries. And if you are going to issue blame somewhere for the current way in which applicants are chosen, it should be towards legacy systems first, not African Americans.
If you raise the SAT requirements for asians to get into a university you are discriminating against them, it doesnt matter if they are gaining overall representation, if they are, more power to them. It doesn't matter if you use quotas or not, you can use many handicaps method to insure certain proportion of student races, which is a exactly the same as a quota.
Legacy systems are also unfair and shouldnt exist, I agree.
As for the law, I would be against it in Canada and other progressive places. If it were to pass in a state (or say rural areas) that is highly conservative and where people have more respect for the law and less respect for marginalized trans people (to not say extreme antagonism towards them), I would not oppose it. Of course that kind of law wouldn't be able to pass there in the first place, but if it did, it would slightly help with the degree to which trans people could be dehumanized, but it would obviously be a band-aid solution. The solution isn't to give more power to the state, it's to give it to people who are the actual agents of social change -- as long as they can be educated into being decent human beings.
Even though this has no bearing on the practical reality out there, the point in my bringing this up is to indicate that I am not a dogmatic deontologist: I am willing to leave my principles for personal freedom aside in niche cases where harm reduction is significant, clear and obvious for those who are most at risk of harm. This is obviously the same logic with which I can justify repressive violence towards fascists who are organizing with the goal of committing genocide. Allowing the personal freedom of a group to fuel hatred and the inevitable violence that follows from that isn't the priority in my ethical system.
Freedom of speech isn't a principle to you, you are not abandoning anything, its just you showing that you will become an authoritarian if it suits your leftist political ideals.
As for the pic, its not clear from your message but I assume you know that's Mitt Romney. That is real opportunism right there.
On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
No shit, the poorest regions that were segregated until 60years ago, were specifically targeted by laws and generally get sentenced easier while being targetted by police is having a disproportionate amount of encounters with the police, who would've thought
There have been numerous "crime reducing" strategies enforced in the USA in the past few decades, which in reality indeed have been reducing crime greatly, while abusing the poorest neighborhoods to the fullest. Malcolm Gladwell has it covered in his last book
Generally, I don't know if its a "race" problem though, or a class rather, its just that the blacks statistically fall much more into the lowest class and much less into the mid/upper one. Either way Im glad to see US government getting shook, maybe they turn tides for the better.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Jun 08 2020 23:51. Posts 5329
On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
No shit, the poorest regions that were segregated until 60years ago, were specifically targeted by laws and generally get sentenced easier while being targetted by police is having a disproportionate amount of encounters with the police, who would've thought
There have been numerous "crime reducing" strategies enforced in the USA in the past few decades, which in reality indeed have been reducing crime greatly, while abusing the poorest neighborhoods to the fullest. Malcolm Gladwell has it covered in his last book
Generally, I don't know if its a "race" problem though, or a class rather, its just that the blacks statistically fall much more into the lowest class and much less into the mid/upper one. Either way Im glad to see US government getting shook, maybe they turn tides for the better.
I think there's a lot of cases to remove the confounding variables, can compare poor white area's with poor black areas. Crystal meth is the drug of poor white people, there's no good justification for that part of the war on drugs either. In any case, targetting black area's does follow from class power dynamics, and race has a lot to do with it. Look at how easy the pharmaceutical companies have gotten away with the opoid crisis. There are some more obvious examples, like the fact that countries that get drone striked only ever happen to be in africa and the middle east. Targetting is based on racsist assumptions. If some completely innocent white person got drone striked in britain, people would be outraged. If it happens in africa to a black person, it's fine, because black people are worthless. It's amazing how much of a hypocrite nearly everyone is on this. Remember charlie hebdo? It's amusing how many of my friends lined up to change their facebook profiles in support of the victims of that, but are nowhere to be seen when we bomb hospitals in the iraq war, for 'spreading propaganda'. It is also amusing that the only two terror attacks in new zealand were by a white supremicist, and another one was by the french government.
Don't think there will be any progression here, as the people in this thread are ridiculing african american studies scholars, even though they are well researched in this area and dont make bad statistical arguments. Rather, the real educational enrichment is youtube, twitter, and meme's, but apparently the academics that study this topic their whole life are not worth consideration.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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hiems United States. Jun 09 2020 00:47. Posts 2979
On June 08 2020 22:26 Spitfiree wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
Don't think there will be any progression here, as the people in this thread are ridiculing african american studies scholars, even though they are well researched in this area and dont make bad statistical arguments. Rather, the real educational enrichment is youtube, twitter, and meme's, but apparently the academics that study this topic their whole life are not worth consideration.
Stroggoz you forgot to mention the key item here that Hikkiko-Loco fails at on a daily basis.
you : african american studies/scholars(bias much?) > youtube > twitter > memes
reality : life experience+common sense+not being insane > non-partisan studies scholars > youtube > twitter > memes
I think I have already explained this concept to LoCo "The Pink Social Justice Ranger" many times before. Forget about his lack of common sense/judgement, he is unable to produce any thoughts on his own and has to copy everything from other people. He also sits in front of his computer all day and has never had a real job in his entire life lol. He has never attended college or any sort of technical school either. (Zero actual life experience). He is a graduate of "4chan university" basically.
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On June 08 2020 22:26 Spitfiree wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
Don't think there will be any progression here, as the people in this thread are ridiculing african american studies scholars, even though they are well researched in this area and dont make bad statistical arguments. Rather, the real educational enrichment is youtube, twitter, and meme's, but apparently the academics that study this topic their whole life are not worth consideration.
Stroggoz you forgot to mention the key item here that Hikkiko-Loco fails at on a daily basis.
you : african american studies/scholars(bias much?) > youtube > twitter > memes
reality : life experience+common sense+not being insane > non-partisan studies scholars > youtube > twitter > memes
I think I have already explained this concept to LoCo "The Pink Social Justice Ranger" many times before. Forget about his lack of common sense/judgement, he is unable to produce any thoughts on his own and has to copy everything from other people. He also sits in front of his computer all day and has never had a real job in his entire life lol. He has never attended college or any sort of technical school either. (Zero actual life experience). He is a graduate of "4chan university" basically.
((((((common sense))))). I remember some really good common sense from that John Oliver clip I posted yesterday too, coming from Fox News. I'm sure your "common sense" agrees with theirs too. (clip at 3:25 - 3:50):
John Oliver's following jab at them is the implication that they are so angry at the poor and black people because their dicks can't get hard. Is it what drives your hatred too? You angry you got a small, poorly functioning dick? Or is it just that no one you desired ever wanted to touch it?
Actually had my first job as a soccer referee when I was around 12 because I really wanted to have a computer and my parents hardly ever paid for anything in my life, unlike your trust fund ass. It's what allowed me to get into StarCraft and poker later on. Both things at which I have excelled more than you -- and maybe that also plays a part in why you are so irrational in your interactions with me? If I had never had a job I'd be a right-wing libertarian. 4chan is a far-right shithole lol, why would I spend any time there? You really have no clue.
Also funny that you'd address Stroggoz to convince him that my posts are "unoriginal" while you accuse him of them same thing, which amounts to your being mad and insecure that there are people who are able to absorb information and make use of it whenever necessary.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
No shit, the poorest regions that were segregated until 60years ago, were specifically targeted by laws and generally get sentenced easier while being targetted by police is having a disproportionate amount of encounters with the police, who would've thought
There have been numerous "crime reducing" strategies enforced in the USA in the past few decades, which in reality indeed have been reducing crime greatly, while abusing the poorest neighborhoods to the fullest. Malcolm Gladwell has it covered in his last book
Generally, I don't know if its a "race" problem though, or a class rather, its just that the blacks statistically fall much more into the lowest class and much less into the mid/upper one. Either way Im glad to see US government getting shook, maybe they turn tides for the better.
Which was my point, "the police is killing black men" and cite a per/capita killings is a shitty statistical argument, its like saying "police is killing our men while women are immune", well... we do most of the crime, if you wan't to get into the whys that fine, but don't use disingenious statics.
On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
No shit, the poorest regions that were segregated until 60years ago, were specifically targeted by laws and generally get sentenced easier while being targetted by police is having a disproportionate amount of encounters with the police, who would've thought
There have been numerous "crime reducing" strategies enforced in the USA in the past few decades, which in reality indeed have been reducing crime greatly, while abusing the poorest neighborhoods to the fullest. Malcolm Gladwell has it covered in his last book
Generally, I don't know if its a "race" problem though, or a class rather, its just that the blacks statistically fall much more into the lowest class and much less into the mid/upper one. Either way Im glad to see US government getting shook, maybe they turn tides for the better.
Which was my point, "the police is killing black men" and cite a per/capita killings is a shitty statistical argument, its like saying "police is killing our men while women are immune", well... we do most of the crime, if you wan't to get into the whys that fine, but don't use disingenious statics.
I didn't use disingenuous statistics, I used the same statistics that proved that vandermeyde's use of them was disingenuous. His point was that white people were more affected and so the movement should be "white lives matter" instead. You said nothing about this and now it's like you have selective amnesia about why I brought up the rest of the explanation for those statistics.
Your analogy is clearly fallacious. The disparity at which they are killed in contrast from whites is not proportional to how much more crime they tend to commit. They would have to commit nearly 3 times more crimes in order for it to be valid.
fuck I should just sell some of my Pokemon cards, if no one stakes that is what I will have to do - lostaccount
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hiems United States. Jun 09 2020 04:14. Posts 2979
On June 08 2020 22:26 Spitfiree wrote:
[QUOTE]On June 08 2020 01:33 Baalim wrote:
That information is also incomplete because you need to take into account police acounters / death by police, if a group has more encounters with the police it would be expected to be shot by police more often and it wouldn't neccesarely imply a police more eager to shoot them but a police more likely to engage with them.
Don't think there will be any progression here, as the people in this thread are ridiculing african american studies scholars, even though they are well researched in this area and dont make bad statistical arguments. Rather, the real educational enrichment is youtube, twitter, and meme's, but apparently the academics that study this topic their whole life are not worth consideration.
Stroggoz you forgot to mention the key item here that Hikkiko-Loco fails at on a daily basis.
you : african american studies/scholars(bias much?) > youtube > twitter > memes
reality : life experience+common sense+not being insane > non-partisan studies scholars > youtube > twitter > memes
I think I have already explained this concept to LoCo "The Pink Social Justice Ranger" many times before. Forget about his lack of common sense/judgement, he is unable to produce any thoughts on his own and has to copy everything from other people. He also sits in front of his computer all day and has never had a real job in his entire life lol. He has never attended college or any sort of technical school either. (Zero actual life experience). He is a graduate of "4chan university" basically.
((((((common sense))))). I remember some really good common sense from that John Oliver clip I posted yesterday too, coming from Fox News. I'm sure your "common sense" agrees with theirs too. (clip at 3:25 - 3:50):
John Oliver's following jab at them is the implication that they are so angry at the poor and black people because their dicks can't get hard. Is it what drives your hatred too? You angry you got a small, poorly functioning dick? Or is it just that no one you desired ever wanted to touch it?
Actually had my first job as a soccer referee when I was around 12 because I really wanted to have a computer and my parents hardly ever paid for anything in my life, unlike your trust fund ass. It's what allowed me to get into StarCraft and poker later on. Both things at which I have excelled more than you -- and maybe that also plays a part in why you are so irrational in your interactions with me? If I had never had a job I'd be a right-wing libertarian. 4chan is a far-right shithole lol, why would I spend any time there? You really have no clue.
Also funny that you'd address Stroggoz to convince him that my posts are "unoriginal" while you accuse him of them same thing, which amounts to your being mad and insecure that there are people who are able to absorb information and make use of it whenever necessary.
Loco Resume:
Soccer Coach when I was 12.
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Im not sure y ur posting that retarded youtube video. Sounds like ur upset at me for some reason.
I have never been to 4 chan so excuse me but my point is that ur baaically a graduate of hikkikomori university. I mean seriously is that not true?
I beat Loco!!! [img]https://i.imgur.com/wkwWj2d.png[/img]
On June 06 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:
Funnily enough, the race that does the best in virtually any metric are the jews, so under Loco's anti-racist system he would systematically discriminate against jews the most, where have I heard that before?
LOL
Baal you are a saint for continuing this conversation with a mentally incapacitated young man. I really think it makes his day
Its a weird masochism, I'll try to disengage a bit and post for meme shit.
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It's what allowed me to get into StarCraft and poker later on. Both things at which I have excelled more than you -- and maybe that also plays a part in why you are so irrational in your interactions with me? If I had never had a job I'd be a right-wing libertarian. 4chan is a far-right shithole lol, why would I spend any time there? You really have no clue.
