Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 251

Baal in 2018: Deplatforming doesn't work. It's bad, you create a lot more Nazis than the Nazis could ever create on their own!
Baal in 2019: Deplatforming doesn't work. It's bad, you create a lot more Nazis than the Nazis could ever create on their own!
Baal in 2020: BLM didn't make any real gains, those protests were counter-productive, now race relations regressed by 5 decades' worth. Their enemies are stronger than ever and they are laughing about it!


Milo:

On July 16 2020 05:15 Loco wrote: Baal in 2018: Deplatforming doesn't work. It's bad, you create a lot more Nazis than the Nazis could ever create on their own! Baal in 2019: Deplatforming doesn't work. It's bad, you create a lot more Nazis than the Nazis could ever create on their own! Baal in 2020: BLM didn't make any real gains, those protests were counter-productive, now race relations regressed by 5 decades' worth. Their enemies are stronger than ever and they are laughing about it!

I was talking about burning universtities buildings to stop people from giving a speech, but if all the tech mega corporations (that you claim to hate lol) at unison ban a person from all social media then of course it will be hard for that person to have an audience at least as long as they have this monopoly; It worries me that megacorps have this control over speech, but people like you who do not believe in freedom of speech have given them this power, so congratulations!.

Yes I think there are more fascists now than years ago (you agree), which is precisely what I've been warning since 2018, so thanks for that recognition lol, however they are still tiny and dont post a politicla threat, unlike the left that is way more popular ergo pose a political threat.

BLM had gains in galvanizing people, which is the objective of the leftists who are piggybacking the movement, in regards of race relations I think they are worse than a few years ago (and when I talked about 50 years It was hyperbole, I thought it was obvious but I guess I had to clarify for you).

On July 15 2020 21:02 Loco wrote: The polarization was always there, because structural racism was always there. There is no option to not be polarized when certain people believe you're subhuman and you shouldn't be allowed to live in "their" city, and the norm is that some people don't have the same rights and protections as other people. BLM has not created more polarization, it has only forced the sleeping masses to see what was always under the surface and forced them to engage in discussions about it. In doing so, it has shifted the Overton window slightly to the left.

I'm curious, what % of the population you think people believe that other races are "subhuman and they shouldn't be allowed to live in their city"?

Yes, I believe the far-right has grown in the past years, but I don't believe they have made gains from these past few weeks, let alone the kind of gains you claim they have made. Some might be enjoying the chaos and hoping that it will open up a space for them to gain something, but as of right now they are losing the cultural battle. Corporations follow popular opinion, so the anti-racist branding they use now is informing the new generation, and the far-right have lost a lot of their "gateway" people online who were banned for hate speech. Social media is the best way to recruit people on your side so that's a very hard blow that can't be understated. The people who were banned are more emboldened than ever, sure, but this is not a problem, because they are also more disempowered than ever. They will never have the reach that they used to have while being on those smaller platforms. The danger is that there will be more isolated hate crimes from the most extreme members of the far-right out of fear and desperation, it's not related to a cultural regression.

I can't believe it, I agree with every word you said here, but it sounds a lot of what I've been saying over these years.

The left is winning the cultural war
The hard right is not a threat
Corporations are on the left's side because its the popular thing to do

On July 15 2020 20:26 Loco wrote: I did recognize that Chavez was the least bad out of them. I did the opposite of praising Chavez every single time you've brought it up in the last year, I've criticized him and said I did not support his ideology and his oppression of the anarchists. Same with Castro. I linked to articles that denounce them.

Oh... the least bad right right right, that is what you meant when you said he even had a honest face (like Maduro too). So the reason you denounce them is not because they are authoritarian murderous dictators that imprisoned and starved their population in their own borders, you oppose them because they specifically opressed anarchist.

There seems to be something wrong with you, you cannot process new information.

You once said "all my endorsements are highly contextual and can change at any time... yeah I guess that makes you bulletproof endorsing-wise, its us who cannot keep up with new info lol.

You were the one who praised "the miracle of Pinochet's Chile", who advocated for a coup in Venezuela against a democratically elected president, who praised NAFTA despite its murderous impacts, who praised the decision to move troops away from Northern Syria knowing full well that a fascist dictator could resume his campaign of racial genocide as a result (which is still ongoing and is a complete joke to you), who claimed that the murderous fascist Bolsonaro is not nearly as dangerous as other left-wing leaders in Latin American, who supported a white supremacist organization in ICE, etc.

lol @ democratically elected president in Venezuela, I guess Putin is also a democratically elected president.

Yeah supporting free trade with the US, you got me there I guess lol.

Yup I support the withdraw of all troops in the middle east.

I also stand by that Bolsognaro, while an absolute abhorrent man he is better for Brasil than a left-wing dictator.

I don't support ICE specifically, keeping people detained for that long seems absurd, I do think that a country with social benefits should have a border and deport illegal immigrants and that opening their border to my country would be economic suicide.




You have absolute contempt for the poor, which is why Chavez is a black and white figure to you, he is just a tyrant. When millions are lifted out of extreme poverty and they get educated, this means absolutely nothing to you, unless you can claim that capitalists are responsible for it. It always comes down to this. The existence of poor and marginalized people does not register in your brain, their opinions and their experiences do not matter the slightest bit, when they choose to elect someone democratically this has no meaning to you, it's always better to have a right-wing leader, preferably an extremely wealthy businessman to lead a country. Unless the poor are brainwashed enough to confirm your well-known existing biases, you will never talk about them.

You are the ultimate hypocrite, you claim to believe in liberty, but you don't believe in civil liberties for everyone. You don't respect life. Life has to serve the economy for you, the economy does not have to serve life. You believe in purchasing into life. Rights and privileges only for those who can afford them. This is the foundation of your ideology, which is inherently tyrannical. You have effectively turned an abstraction, a collective myth -- money -- into God. And God is just, he works in mysterious ways, and that allows you to sleep like a baby at night.

You don't denounce white supremacists because they are natural allies of Libertarianism and An-Caps, period. You have more in common than
not, and you both hate anti-capitalists more than anything else. They also provide you with some of your news and entertainment, the latter of which you live for, so of course you feel protective of them.

Between anarchists destroying property and wanting more equality and fascists killing minorities and trying to create ethnostates, you have a very easy choice. The one with the "best intentions" is always worse for you. It's preferable to have monsters in the open for you than "possible monsters who deceive with good intentions". Any move to the left is immediately assumed to be working towards authoritarian communism which is 100 times worse to you than neo-fascism/ethnostatism.[/QUOTE]

On July 16 2020 06:28 Baalim wrote: It worries me that megacorps have this control over speech, but people like you who do not believe in freedom of speech have given them this power, so congratulations!.

So you're worried that corporations have control over us, but fully support the free market?

Am I the only one that sees the irony here?

On July 16 2020 11:05 Spitfiree wrote: So you're worried that corporations have control over us, but fully support the free market? Am I the only one that sees the irony here?

Of course I worry about this and many other parts of the free market, do you think I see the market as perfect?

The thing is, you support a state to stop these things from happening, yet they dont, then why do you need the state?

I mean if the problem is the centralizaton of power (corps) and your solutino is the ultimate centnralization of power (state) and you wonder why this mega powerful entity doesnt stop the small ones from greed, but instead collude with each other all for personal gain... how could this be? the plan was so perfect lol.

The left: we have to stop fascists before they commit a genocide
Also the left:

really hammering hard on those strawmans eh.

On July 15 2020 04:07 Loco wrote: Bet that black guy was no angel, who cares.

Same state ?

On July 16 2020 19:49 Stroggoz wrote: really hammering hard on those strawmans eh.

I'm not arguing that you support the CCP (Loco might think Xi has an honest face though), my argument is that the hard left is a far bigger threat than the far right.

On July 16 2020 20:09 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On July 15 2020 04:07 Loco wrote: Bet that black guy was no angel, who cares. Same state ?

no, but the guy is a disabled veteran who was travelling and while going through Alabama he made the mistake of agreeing to a search of his car.

https://www.alreporter.com/2020/07/13...nths-in-prison-for-medical-marijuana/

These memes are so cringe and their agenda is so obvious it's almost insulting that you're even trying to push it here.

and what is that agenda they are pushing?

The n-word is thrown around and I'm the only one that got warned for it lol.

On July 17 2020 00:30 Baalim wrote: and what is that agenda they are pushing?

Trying to delegitimize the only rationale left by showing some completely irrelevant shit?

It's the standard practice of trying to delegitimize something by trying to laugh at it by presenting factually incorrect shit which the masses can't wait to swallow especially at times of polarization

Of course, you already knew that. You were probably fishing for a response which you can strawman.

On July 16 2020 22:24 Baalim wrote:

Whos the guy on top right?

Online right: I might disagree with you but I will fight to the DEATH for your rights!

Real-world right:

That vid looks 100% real

Also make up your mind

Is it Portland pd or feds