Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 252

On July 17 2020 11:58 Spitfiree wrote: Trying to delegitimize the only rationale left by showing some completely irrelevant shit? It's the standard practice of trying to delegitimize something by trying to laugh at it by presenting factually incorrect shit which the masses can't wait to swallow especially at times of polarization Of course, you already knew that. You were probably fishing for a response which you can strawman.

And I thought it was only uptight SJWs who didnt get humor... of course its factually incorrect, its a fucking joke ffs, the point is to make a caricaturization of the political positions of the compass to take a jab at them in this case particularly the libertarian left.

Why do I have to explain how humor works to people?, I mean do also believes the Trump balloon is factually incorrect because in fact Trump does not wear a diaper? wtf

On July 17 2020 17:08 CurbStomp wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2020 22:24 Baalim wrote: Whos the guy on top right?

The actor that played Kramer in Seinfield, a couple of years ago at one of his stand up shows he went ballistic against some black hecklers calling them niggers like a crazy man, I think his stand up career died after that.

On July 18 2020 01:27 Santafairy wrote: That vid looks 100% real Also make up your mind Is it Portland pd or feds

If its true its fucked up, but I'm starting to have my doubts, has the person they took been identified, is he missing?

On July 18 2020 01:49 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2020 01:27 Santafairy wrote: That vid looks 100% real Also make up your mind Is it Portland pd or feds If its true its fucked up, but I'm starting to have my doubts, has the person they took been identified, is he missing?

Oh you are starting to have your doubts huh? (that sentence must be read in baby voice)

Is the Oregon Public Broadcasting funded by George Soros?

This is your politics in action, spare us the "it's fucked up" virtue signaling, please.

This is, according to an internal memo, "a special task force created by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) in response to President Trump’s Executive Order on Protecting American Monuments, Memorials, and Statues and Combating Recent Criminal Violence. That task force, the Protecting American Communities Task Force (PACT), has been tasked not only to assess civil unrest but also to “surge” resources to protect against it."


And this is likely legal, because, as George Carlin once said, there is no such thing as rights in America; there are privileges. And there happens to be a class of people who can take them away from you as they please:

"While many people have criticized the alleged lawlessness of the arrests, some even engaging in conspiracy theories about them, these arrests are likely legal, according to current and former federal law enforcement officials interviewed by The Nation. And that’s exactly what makes them so troubling, explains Jenn Budd, a former senior Border Patrol agent.

“During the DC protest, many federal agents removed their insignia,” Budd explained, referring to a June 1 protest in front of the White House where protesters were teargassed. “What the agencies discovered was that they could do this without much blowback from Congress,” Budd explained. " https://www.thenation.com/article/society/border-patrol-portland-arrest/

They have drones with thermal imaging set up, can use tear gas even though it has been banned, have kidnapped numerous people and fractured someone's skull. That's capitalist "democracy" for you.

On July 18 2020 00:24 Loco wrote: Online right: I might disagree with you but I will fight to the DEATH for your rights! Online right: .... well they must have done wrong in order to be abducted. desperate times call for desperate measures. damn antifa terrorists.

Amen. Like I've been saying, people have no consistency in their beliefs. It's all tribalism where the goodness or badness of anything depends entirely on who is doing it. The right is worse than the left here cause the right will literally never say anything bad about one of their guys.

If this were just people getting charged and arrested for property damage or assault then justice should be carried on normally even if they are federal crimes, but this militarized police taskforce picking up people swiftly from the streets in unmarked are 3rd world authoritarian tactics

I was simply reserving judgement till I had more info, If it happened in Chile (as it did) then I would snap know its true, I thought given its a more civilized country I'd get more info first, but it seems its happening and its indeed, as I said, fucked up (I think you don't quite understand what is virtue signaling is thought Loco)



You know what is interesting? when someone posted a police car hunting down and running over protestors in Caracas under Maduro's dictatorship you said it was probably a hoax, funny how that works, the authoritarian tactics your beloved revolutionaries use arent so pretty when they are done against your peers, I suppose it shouldnt be surprising since the only rift between you and those monsters is that they attacked anarchists too, otherwise they are kosher, nice selective outrage of authoritarianism gulag-boy.

On July 18 2020 04:31 blackjacki2 wrote: Show nested quote + On July 18 2020 00:24 Loco wrote: Online right: I might disagree with you but I will fight to the DEATH for your rights! Online right: .... well they must have done wrong in order to be abducted. desperate times call for desperate measures. damn antifa terrorists. Amen. Like I've been saying, people have no consistency in their beliefs. It's all tribalism where the goodness or badness of anything depends entirely on who is doing it. The right is worse than the left here cause the right will literally never say anything bad about one of their guys.

Which is how the police is trained, mind you. You must have solidarity for your colleagues and protect them no matter what. Those who speak against them lose their job. It puts the protests in perspective when you first come to understand that.

It's not all in-group out/group tribalism based on the right vs left, because the left is constantly in conflict, it is constantly fighting over a greater number of issues and cancelling its people. The right on the other hand is by its nature more united, and that's why they are in control everywhere where it matters the most.

On July 18 2020 06:22 Baalim wrote: If this were just people getting charged and arrested for property damage or assault then justice should be carried on normally even if they are federal crimes, but this militarized police taskforce picking up people swiftly from the streets in unmarked are 3rd world authoritarian tactics I was simply reserving judgement till I had more info, If it happened in Chile (as it did) then I would snap know its true, I thought given its a more civilized country I'd get more info first, but it seems its happening and its indeed, as I said, fucked up (I think you don't quite understand what is virtue signaling is thought Loco) You know what is interesting? when someone posted a police car hunting down and running over protestors in Caracas under Maduro's dictatorship you said it was probably a hoax, funny how that works, the authoritarian tactics your beloved revolutionaries use arent so pretty when they are done against your peers, I suppose it shouldnt be surprising since the only rift between you and those monsters is that they attacked anarchists too, otherwise they are kosher, nice selective outrage of authoritarianism gulag-boy.

I posted actual footage of a rebel group hijacking the same trucks, and said it was a possibility that it wasn't a state actor who was responsible but that it was those guys. I never claimed it was a hoax. In fact I did the opposite in that convo, I actually posted a debunk of the hoax about Maduro's troops setting a fire to the "US aid" food truck which you probably believed. I know you're still sad that the US-backed coup failed but please deal with your feelings like an adult and avoid making some shit up in order to feel better about yourself.

You were the first on this site to say that it would be a good thing if antifa was labelled a terrorist organization by the US gov but that "unfortunately it probably can't happen", so please, please, just shut the fuck up when these tactics of targeting protesters wearing all black is perfectly in line with that agenda. Go celebrate with your twitter alt-right buddies.

There is a lot of tribalism on the left and imo some of the infighting stems from it. One example from this week is the letter on cancel culture, which generated way more attention than it should.

I don't think Infighting on the left is really the big problem though. When i go on any leftist subreddit it's basically a bunch of people amusing themselves to death, addiction to social media is the big problem for leftists, from what i can tell. As it is with ordinary people. As soon as any subreddit gains more than 10k members it starts to get pretty cancerous. I actually tried to clean up one of the leftist subreddits once by suggesting that anyone who posted a meme should be perma banned. Which imo is very reasonable, leftist action is about action (duh), not amusement. I got a little critique for suggesting it because apparently what i suggested is a little too authoritarian, (lol). But eventually we came to some middle road and the mods cleaned it up a lot.

Oh so you didn't say it was a hoax... just a possibility that the rebels ran over themselves to give Maudro a bad rep, and then you exposed another hoax in defense of Maduro again, yeah I stand corrected you totally are paragon of consistency lol.

You are god damn right I'm sad Maduro's dictatorship continues destroying Venezuela and I'd clap anybody who puts a bullet in his "honest face"; also right that I would be delighted if antifa ceased to exist along with the rest of the extremist violent political and religious groups, although I don't want some blackops picking people up on the streets, you know, another one of my "medicine worse than the sickness" arguments, because I don't like authoritarianism, you do, just not when its used against your kin.

Feeding anyone and everyone is terroristic

On July 18 2020 07:17 Stroggoz wrote: There is a lot of tribalism on the left and imo some of the infighting stems from it. One example from this week is the letter on cancel culture, which generated way more attention than it should. I don't think Infighting on the left is really the big problem though. When i go on any leftist subreddit it's basically a bunch of people amusing themselves to death, addiction to social media is the big problem for leftists, from what i can tell. As it is with ordinary people. As soon as any subreddit gains more than 10k members it starts to get pretty cancerous. I actually tried to clean up one of the leftist subreddits once by suggesting that anyone who posted a meme should be perma banned. Which imo is very reasonable, leftist action is about action (duh), not amusement. I got a little critique for suggesting it because apparently what i suggested is a little too authoritarian, (lol). But eventually we came to some middle road and the mods cleaned it up a lot.

It's really not as simple as saying people are addicted to social media and won't get off their asses to do stuff enough. The problem is that these two things reinforce each other: organizations don't make a lot of progress precisely because they include a lot of infighting and lead people to have unresolvable conflicts. They often reproduce systems of oppression and lack accountability, or they just are not funded well enough to get anywhere. They tend to lack a coherent vision rooted in direct action. A lot of old school Marxist or syndicalist thinking that has failed and will keep failing is often still presented as the solution. The authoritarian vs libertarian/intersectional split is not bridgeable so it limits the kinds of actions that these people can do together. The word "infighting" actually is misleading, the reality is that there are real incompatibilities within the different schools of thought which make it impossible for the left to be united, it's not just a matter of temperaments.

Then you have the fact that few people can afford to risk their lives, it is actually a big privilege to be able to do certain form of anti-capitalist actions (as much as I'm trying to move away from using the word privilege, it's true). So, due to those failures or frustrations people end up being more or less isolated/disillusioned/in-between things and try to do a lot of activism online. Of course the technology is addictive as well, it is a big part of how people deal with their emotions and impulse control, but it's just something that feeds into the larger problem of having radically different politics, and having a low number of people supporting your politics/being willing to risk their lives.

Once you actually have the chance to start something it can easily be co-opted. Capitalism is just amazingly resilient because of its ability to do that. Resistance groups will often exclude radicals (like Extinction Rebellion, though not in every chapter), or you can take CHAZ as a recent example: lots of hippies and liberals congregating there and deradicalizing the experiment very early on, plus a campaign of misinformation by the mainstream and fear-mongering leading people to infiltrate and incentivized crime against people in the area. It's very difficult to get an actual real life project going that lasts a decent amount of time, but the internet is always there.

A lot of the actions that radical leftists do on a daily basis concern directly supporting people in need, they're not the kind of groups that can overthrow the government obviously, but it's not like they're not there. They are rarely advertised but there are always a lot of them running.

It's a good thing only white people can be racist otherwise we wouldn't all be able to ignore the slew of black celebrities that have been saying anti-semitic shit over the past couple weeks.

On July 18 2020 07:22 Baalim wrote: Oh so you didn't say it was a hoax... just a possibility that the rebels ran over themselves to give Maudro a bad rep, and then you exposed another hoax in defense of Maduro again, yeah I stand corrected you totally are paragon of consistency lol. You are god damn right I'm sad Maduro's dictatorship continues destroying Venezuela and I'd clap anybody who puts a bullet in his "honest face"; also right that I would be delighted if antifa ceased to exist along with the rest of the extremist violent political and religious groups, although I don't want some blackops picking people up on the streets, you know, another one of my "medicine worse than the sickness" arguments, because I don't like authoritarianism, you do, just not when its used against your kin.

Correct, I didn't say it was a hoax, so you lied. And yes, I added more information to the one-sided propaganda machine that you fell for, which happened to be during a coup. During a coup you have even more reason to be critical of what you see (but you weren't, since you are a cheerleader of coups when it serves capital). During a coup you have to pay very close attention to what the population says, especially the poorest section, in order to know what to support. As always, as an anarchist, it's about picking the lesser evil when you know the state is inherently authoritarian no matter how it brands itself.

You do like authoritarianism, you are just too dumb to know what it is. You think authoritarianism is a small mob of poor people taking down a statue or destroying a McDonald's, but you don't think Wall Street owning the country and continuing to create and funnel wealth upwards during a pandemic while working people receive peanuts is authoritarian. You also don't think it's authoritarian to dine on the mutilated corpses of innocent beings, or control every action of people inside a factory day after day. It's authoritarian to destroy property through rage but it's not authoritarian to destroy people through greed and narcissism and turn them into machines or property for your own ends, or the ends of capital.

"The medicine is worse than the sickness" only when it is convenient for you. If the marketplace of ideas decided that communism was worth a try, you would immediately support a police state crushing it. That's why you championed the idea of branding Antifa a terror organization. You know what it takes to create your free market utopia, Pinochet showed it to you, and don't worry, you'll have a chance to see it be tried again, and your views will be clarified even to yourself then.

On July 18 2020 01:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 17 2020 11:58 Spitfiree wrote: Trying to delegitimize the only rationale left by showing some completely irrelevant shit? It's the standard practice of trying to delegitimize something by trying to laugh at it by presenting factually incorrect shit which the masses can't wait to swallow especially at times of polarization Of course, you already knew that. You were probably fishing for a response which you can strawman. And I thought it was only uptight SJWs who didnt get humor... of course its factually incorrect, its a fucking joke ffs, the point is to make a caricaturization of the political positions of the compass to take a jab at them in this case particularly the libertarian left. Why do I have to explain how humor works to people?, I mean do also believes the Trump balloon is factually incorrect because in fact Trump does not wear a diaper? wtf

If it was funny, I would've laughed. It wasn't funny and it wasn't even related to that part of the political spectrum. Good humour at least has some portion of it correct. Like Trump doesn't wear a diaper but you can easily link him to having a mentality of an infantile making it funny.

Friends you're going to get a hard-on from this one! So much degeneracy in one person: black and disabled. Gets exactly what he deserves in precious white fascist America!

Disabled guy attacked the police and they didn't "SMASH!!!" anything, yawn. Also the police are within their rights to use unmarked car and they didn't violate any rights. Educate yourself.

He attacked them? And they didn't smash it? Did you even watch the video?

Are you delirious?

Did the white dude with Navy shirt also attack the police?

lol his hands are swinging at the cops, after he falls he goes after the baton. they remove the wheelchair, put it on side, and some guy tries to steal it and the police prevents this and the wheelchair breaks. Did you yourself watch the video?