Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 26

On January 23 2017 22:37 NMcNasty wrote: You mean are grossly inexperienced? Perry, DeVos, Carson off the top of my head, unless you're counting just "having a job" as being experienced.

no, i mean exactly what i said, which ones aren't grossly inexperienced?

you said they were mostly shit and therefore it's easier to ask which aren't shit to save you time

On January 23 2017 22:40 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2017 22:37 NMcNasty wrote: You mean are grossly inexperienced? Perry, DeVos, Carson off the top of my head, unless you're counting just "having a job" as being experienced. no, i mean exactly what i said, which ones aren't grossly inexperienced? you said they were mostly shit and therefore it's easier to ask which aren't shit to save you time

I mean Tillerson and Sessions are experienced but they're terrible people. I mean I don't really have anything bad to say about Elaine Chao or Mattis. I seriously don't understand what you're getting at.

so you're saying you do think tillerson is experienced to a degree more than the "just having a job" standard?

On January 23 2017 22:56 Santafairy wrote: so you're saying you do think tillerson is experienced to a degree more than the "just having a job" standard?

Nah, probably not. But again, what are you getting at?

i'm not getting at anything, don't get wound up over simple questions. i wanted to understand what was in your head but now you clarified "mostly" meant "four"

On January 23 2017 23:07 Santafairy wrote: i'm not getting at anything, don't get wound up over simple questions. i wanted to understand what was in your head but now you clarified "mostly" meant "four"

That was to start, but I didn't continue because you weren't putting together a coherent point. I mean anyone can wiki his cabinet, there's an unprecedented lack of experience in the related fields. And I would normally see the argument that unrelated business experience can count as govt experience, but the issue that we're specifically discussing is that Trumps lack of govt experience is compensated by the people he's surrounding himself with. It doesn't work when he's just picking people like him.

More stuff:

He just canceled government funding for abortion clinics which I'm split about since this shouldn't be a government funded service considering there isn't even a working healthcare system. Most likely a bigass money leak. Obv some activists will go out and protest cause of women rights violation for some reason, but I really don't see the problem with women having to pay for an abortion if everyone else has to pay for medical procedures anyway. It's not like he s banning it. Hopefully, he keeps his promise on the paid-leave motherhood as its quite disturbing that the USA is basically in the stone age when it comes to that.

He also stated that he ll raise import taxes on companies that cut their production in the country and place it elsewhere.... which I have no clue how he will do or how it will ever happen. Threatening the biggest companies in the country that basically own the cash flow usually ends up well for the politicians....

Also Liquid'Drone s post is A+. Only problem with whole argument is that there is zero ways of justifying the NSA scandal and that's structured and ran under Obama's governance and no one elses. Mid East problems have no solution at this point. If anything we saw what happened to Afghanistan when the russians went out ... the thing is thought, what the americans did is to try and completely change the culture and habits of a whole society overnight which is suicidal. Their interventionism could only work if they spend a few decades there and it's still no guarantee the result would be good. After all ex-colonies of european countries are split on the extremes of the spectre

On January 23 2017 23:20 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2017 23:07 Santafairy wrote: i'm not getting at anything, don't get wound up over simple questions. i wanted to understand what was in your head but now you clarified "mostly" meant "four" That was to start, but I didn't continue because you weren't putting together a coherent point. I mean anyone can wiki his cabinet, there's an unprecedented lack of experience in the related fields. And I would normally see the argument that unrelated business experience can count as govt experience, but the issue that we're specifically discussing is that Trumps lack of govt experience is compensated by the people he's surrounding himself with. It doesn't work when he's just picking people like him.

yes, we all know his cabinet, but i don't live on your planet. since you can't engage with your own thoughts, this is basically this is just about you flinging shit, and that's all the next 4-8 years will be about

State:
Madeleine Albright: an actual diplomat, great (but surely was "inexperienced" when she became UN ambassador)^
Colin Powell: a retired general? okay
Condoleeza Rice: a stanford professor? okay
Hillary Clinton: a president's wife and politician (senator)? okay
John Kerry: a senator who at least had been on the foreign relations committee, unlike above? okay
Rex Tillerson: 10-year CEO of 3rd largest company in the world, global energy company, bigger international division than state department? inexperienced

UN Ambassador:
Nikki Haley: no experience as diplomat just like Madeleine Albright^

Treasury:
Tim Geithner: NY federal reserve: experienced and lambasted?
Jacob Lew: lawyer and WH chief of staff: must be a great pick for Treasury Secretary
Steve Mnuchin: let me guess, something about "the swamp"

Attorney General:
Sessions: senator, attorney, state attorney-general, justice committee: maybe experienced but he's terrible

Secretary of the Interior:
Sally Jewell: REI CEO: nobody cares
Ryan Zinke: navy seal: I wonder what we'll do with this

Defense:
James Mattis: experienced b/c of military career -> threatens civilian control of government

we can just lower and change the standard so anyone who wasn't literally deputy secretary of whatever department they're taking over is shit because it's drumpf

On January 23 2017 23:33 Spitfiree wrote: He just canceled government funding for abortion clinics which I'm split about since this shouldn't be a government funded service considering there isn't even a working healthcare system. Most likely a bigass money leak.

Govt already doesn't fund abortion clinics, Trump basically barred NGOs from receiving any govt funds if they performed abortions, even if that money wasn't used for abortions. Being pro-life, he's obviously for banning abortions altogether, and being terrible, he's even called for women having abortions to be specifically punished.

On January 24 2017 00:00 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2017 23:33 Spitfiree wrote: He just canceled government funding for abortion clinics which I'm split about since this shouldn't be a government funded service considering there isn't even a working healthcare system. Most likely a bigass money leak. Govt already doesn't fund abortion clinics, Trump basically barred NGOs from receiving any govt funds if they performed abortions, even if that money wasn't used for abortions. Being pro-life, he's obviously for banning abortions altogether, and

or put another way he did the same as GWB and what any other Republican candidate would have done

On January 24 2017 00:00 NMcNasty wrote: being terrible, he's even called for women having abortions to be specifically punished.

he also went back on that and in the past has been strongly pro-choice, but yes, in general laws punish people who do illegal things

On January 24 2017 00:13 Santafairy wrote: or put another way he did the same as GWB and what any other Republican candidate would have done

Right, he's a social conservative on pretty much every issue but for some reason some fuck-the-establishment types think otherwise.

he also went back on that and in the past has been strongly pro-choice, but yes, in general laws punish people who do illegal things

Its much like govt going after poker players as opposed to just poker sites.

Also, santafairy you seriously think Tillerson, Sessions, and Mnuchin are good picks?

On January 24 2017 00:22 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2017 00:13 Santafairy wrote: or put another way he did the same as GWB and what any other Republican candidate would have done Right, he's a social conservative on pretty much every issue but for some reason some fuck-the-establishment types think otherwise.   he also went back on that and in the past has been strongly pro-choice, but yes, in general laws punish people who do illegal things Its much like govt going after poker players as opposed to just poker sites. Also, santafairy you seriously think Tillerson, Sessions, and Mnuchin are good picks?

mexico city policy is not really a big deal... roe v. wade is not going anywhere, it'd be suicide if it somehow did. on social issues trump is one of the best things to happen to the GOP in that he's mostly sidelined them nationally. it's state GOPs that fuck with abortion at that level

yes, someone seriously exists who disagrees with you. tillerson and sessions are great, mnuchin i know little about but whether i'll like him or not, he's far from being unfit for the post

On January 24 2017 00:14 VanDerMeyde wrote: Apparantly there has been a terror attack in Australia a few days ago... Not a word in media ??? At least not in norwegian media... The driver shouting "Allahu Akhbar" of course.

Another example of you spouting bullshit. Here is an article from NRK (for the rest of you, that is the Norwegian state sponsored broadcasting channel. It's essentially the very definition of mainstream media)

https://www.nrk.no/urix/minst-tre-dre...-i-folkemengde-i-australia-1.13332252

From 4 days ago. Additionally, there's nothing indicating that the driver shouted Allabu Akhbar or any variant thereof - the guy's name is Dimitrious Gargasoulas (leader of the Greek Muslims?). Police say that even though it was an intentional act, there's nothing indicating terrorism.

It's seriously hilarious, all you've exposed through your railing against mainstream media is showcase how absurdly ignorant the abandonment of mainstream media has made you.

On January 24 2017 00:14 VanDerMeyde wrote: Apparantly there has been a terror attack in Australia a few days ago... Not a word in media ??? At least not in norwegian media... The driver shouting "Allahu Akhbar" of course.

It's on every media outlet, was not terror related, guy stabbed someone earlier during the day and was fleeing the cops.

Where the fuck and how the fuck do you get your news?

On January 24 2017 00:29 Santafairy wrote: yes, someone seriously exists who disagrees with you. tillerson and sessions are great, mnuchin i know little about but whether i'll like him or not, he's far from being unfit for the post

I mean there are plenty of old-fashioned conservatives but I am a little surprised to find one on this forum. Not many pro Exxon or Goldman Sachs people here.

not a conservative

VanDerMeyde you just apologized for the fake photo, do some research before the next one

On January 24 2017 00:54 Santafairy wrote: not a conservative

if you say so!

On January 24 2017 00:59 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2017 00:54 Santafairy wrote: not a conservative if you say so!

i'm not a big oil shill (but now that you mention it i enjoy having access to modern civilization, the internal combustion engine and so forth), you somehow leaped to that because i think a guy with a resume can run the state department? it's 8 more years of this or will people eventually get hobbies again?