Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 265

I don't think its a matter of politics at all, sickos will be sickos regarding of their political views. I don't understand why everything has to be tied with politics in this thread as if implying there is correlation proves it, and even if there is any implying it's significant.

From pedophiles to ultra-sexists that think its fine to abuse power for sex. There's plenty of evidence of people like that. The USA is trying to bring western values to the Mid-East yet their Vice-president is someone that would probably beat the shit out of his wife if she goes out to dinner without him. It's all a farce.

On September 06 2020 21:10 Spitfiree wrote: Trying to use Taleb's measurement ways in such a wrong manner is a joke of itself And yeah, you re right the organization that has been known to only apprentice little boys for over 1900 years is probably not the biggest pedophile ring, its the left in the USA

lmao sure the pyramids that have been around for millennia probably aren't the biggest building in the world it's probably some fucking 800m steel shit in the middle of the desert

you fucking dense asshole

a ring is one single contained thing

olympus mons is bigger than everest therefore mars is bigger than earth

left both enables (brown rapists) and supports (hormone blockers to indoctrinate tranny fuck dolls, weird LGBT chameleon predators) pedos

On September 07 2020 09:58 Spitfiree wrote: I don't think its a matter of politics at all, sickos will be sickos regarding of their political views. I don't understand why everything has to be tied with politics in this thread as if implying there is correlation proves it, and even if there is any implying it's significant. From pedophiles to ultra-sexists that think its fine to abuse power for sex. There's plenty of evidence of people like that. The USA is trying to bring western values to the Mid-East yet their Vice-president is someone that would probably beat the shit out of his wife if she goes out to dinner without him. It's all a farce.

I get why you think I was trying to make a correlation as a point but I wasn't, I was just saying its something that I discovered recently and it caught my attention since I've always wondered why the right is so paranoid about people wanting to fuck their kids (which I still find hillariously ridiculous).

How is the invasion of the middle east related to this? as you know I behemently oppose it, but its ridiculous to compare Pence (who indeed has retarded views on morality) to Sharia.

I would normally say that Pence is different from Sharia because he doesn't try to push his extremely religious agenda, but I would be false. If it were up to him he would definitely create a Sharia-like dystopia in seconds, thinking its good shit.

Anyway thats besides my point, he managed to get to the position that has the potential to make him the most powerful man in the world. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy in western values.


@Santafairy you don't understand what I'm trying to get at, at all. You're implying that Muslims and generally mid-eastern culture has been the one to fuck little kids for generations and is most likely a bigger cultural thing than Christianity ever has. Both are speculations and could just as easily be true, the difference is that the Vatican keeps doing it to this very day while spreading 'moral' values and hiding their pedos behind walls of lawyers.

You're also implying that Europe has a problem with refugees and immigrants right now... which is simply untrue. Surely there re problematic refugees and immigrants but in general Europe needs them and benefits more from them due to lacking working force.

Refugees from Middle East / Africa are not some economical gain for European countries lol. It's complitely different group of refugees than say from the Iranian revolution, where we actually got highly skilled/educated people.

On September 08 2020 08:38 Spitfiree wrote: @Santafairy you don't understand what I'm trying to get at, at all. You're implying that Muslims and generally mid-eastern culture has been the one to fuck little kids for generations and is most likely a bigger cultural thing than Christianity ever has.

i didn't say that at all you fucking idiot

i'm trying to explain to you with simpler and simpler words because everything's going over your fucking head

OLD THING NOT HAVE TO BE BIG THING

NEW THING
CAN BIGGER
THAN OLD ONE

the fact that my analogy was the burj khalifa which happens to be in an arab country made you think i was secretly implying something about muslims

i didn't mention a fucking thing about muslims, can you learn to read instead of spending time

i'm telling you you're comparing <priests> to <maybe half the population (liberals)> it's a fucking category error

On September 08 2020 08:38 Spitfiree wrote: Both are speculations and could just as easily be true, the difference is that the Vatican keeps doing it to this very day while spreading 'moral' values and hiding their pedos behind walls of lawyers.

now you're doing it again trying to compare <priests> to <muslims>

but now that you mention it yes muslims also still fuck kids and they also do it in systematically in western countries such as england hiding behind walls of politically correct media and police. if you can open google but since you can't read the small margins of my post i doubt you could fucking read that either

also liberal teachers fucking students all the time

drag queen shows for elementary schoolers

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

On September 08 2020 08:38 Spitfiree wrote: You're also implying that Europe has a problem with refugees and immigrants right now... which is simply untrue. Surely there re problematic refugees and immigrants but in general Europe needs them and benefits more from them due to lacking working force.

no i was utilizing the basic fact that the right wing tends to oppose refugees and the left supports them to demonstrate the pope is a libtard

so your argument was actually much dumber than i even anticipated, unbelievable.

I don't want to make fun of you in case this is just a language barrier thing but it must have dawned on you one of the hundreds of times you posted in this thread that at some point you're missing other people's levels it's fucking boring

Spitfire: Baal you think there are a lot of pedos on the left? but this PRIEST fucked a kid one time. huehuehuehue

santafairy: lol Spitfire you actually think the Vatican is part of the right. The pope washed refugee feet.

Spitfire: RETARD!

It's astonishing how bad you're at creating logical arguments.

First of all, I wasn't implying anything about the church's political views, I was saying that the right is the one that is more inclined towards religious beliefs, and since the church is a known to be the biggest pedophile ring it's not surprising. Trying to diminish the deeds of the church is something I won't even touch upon cause its besides the point... it's just sad on so many levels.

But since you brought up the topic of politics in religion. Yes, you have a point Pope Francis is leaning heavily towards the left.... so what exactly is your point? He tried to ease up tensions between Christians and Muslims while we were in a religious war, how could he... Also, one Pope absolutely makes the church a left-oriented institution since its creation... gosh

It's always the same when someone argues with you. You fail to understand the abstract picture on a high level and you're telling me its going beyond my head.

It's also funny how you always try to bring up the 'language barrier' as some sort of a passive-aggressive insult hidden behind a 'fact'... I've spent the majority of my days talking to Americans for a good amount of years now, you absolute donkey. There is no language barrier, it's just you failing to understand simple arguments and trying to strawman abstractions. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

Edit:
Now that I re-read what I've written and what you responded, it's no wonder how you responded considering you believe the church is left-wing. It's just beyond my mind how could anyone in this forum even hint at that. And even if that is somehow, really taken out of context, correct, it's still irrelevant because it's the ring-wing parties that use religion as a tool... and that was the original conversation.

On September 08 2020 08:38 Spitfiree wrote: I would normally say that Pence is different from Sharia because he doesn't try to push his extremely religious agenda, but I would be false. If it were up to him he would definitely create a Sharia-like dystopia in seconds, thinking its good shit.

Ridiículous, Pence obv wouldn't want raped women to be stoned to death, not allow them to drive and toss gays from bulidings, yes he has typical conservative boomer idiotic ideas like conversion theraphy, but there are many degrees of wrong.

You're also implying that Europe has a problem with refugees and immigrants right now... which is simply untrue. Surely there re problematic refugees and immigrants but in general Europe needs them and benefits more from them due to lacking working force.

For that to be true Europe would need close to 0% unskilled labor unemployment, yet it ranges from 6 to 10%, which means there is an oversupply of unskilled labor, and even in a 0% unemployment rate in the sector, its not a closed economy so outsourcing is the logical way to go, the jobs migrate to poor countries and not the other way around, just like it happened in China.

I think we have the same opinion on Pence, a part from you making clear that he wouldn't do some specific stuff...Ultimately we can't know what he would or wouldn't do as he lives in a Western country and even if he is on the extreme there's enough barriers to stop him from creating a Sharia-like dystopia. That's a product of society though

Implying that Syrian refugees are purely unskilled labor is where I can't agree. Europe is lacking in medical and engineering staff heavily and Germany specifically did a good job of taking in a good chunk of quality Syrians. When people think of Syria they think of your typical Mid-East brainwashed Muslim for whatever reason, while this couldn't be farther from the truth. Yeah, there re's tons of unskilled personnel that made it through as well but the implied benefits that the qualified people are bringing is enough e.g. 1 doctor's value is most likely at least X a few dozen useless refugees for society.

On September 09 2020 21:02 Spitfiree wrote: It's astonishing how bad you're at creating logical arguments. First of all, I wasn't implying anything about the church's political views, I was saying that the right is the one that is more inclined towards religious beliefs, and since the church is a known to be the biggest pedophile ring it's not surprising. Trying to diminish the deeds of the church is something I won't even touch upon cause its besides the point... it's just sad on so many levels.

you said that kiddyfucking is a rightwing thing because some priests, a subsection of a religion which leans right, did it

it is just as stupid a thing to say as claiming that said religion is actually left wing because one pope kissed some refugee feet

it's not complicated

you keep repeating this "muh biggest ring" bullshit like you're the gollum of john oliver-fed internet assholes blithely opining about sex abuse because muh conservatards

what i said about teachers is true, they fuck kids more than priests do, and they are left wing

if this shit isn't going over your head as you insist then you're ignoring things because of the cognitive dissonance... sad

On September 09 2020 21:02 Spitfiree wrote: Now that I re-read what I've written and what you responded, it's no wonder how you responded considering you believe the church is left-wing. It's just beyond my mind how could anyone in this forum even hint at that.

your homework is to read 100 more times until you understand and if that fails then throw your computer into a river

On September 09 2020 21:02 Spitfiree wrote: But since you brought up the topic of politics in religion. Yes, you have a point Pope Francis is leaning heavily towards the left.... so what exactly is your point? He tried to ease up tensions between Christians and Muslims while we were in a religious war, how could he... Also, one Pope absolutely makes the church a left-oriented institution since its creation... gosh It's always the same when someone argues with you. You fail to understand the abstract picture on a high level and you're telling me its going beyond my head.

you may think you're in an argument but i haven't seen anything worth bringing our relationship to that level, you'd have to work your up to being stupid enough that i'd want to argue with you

if there were an intelligent person available here who wanted to dissect these issues it would actually be interesting to talk about though

On September 09 2020 21:02 Spitfiree wrote: It's also funny how you always try to bring up the 'language barrier' as some sort of a passive-aggressive insult hidden behind a 'fact'... I've spent the majority of my days talking to Americans for a good amount of years now, you absolute donkey. There is no language barrier, it's just you failing to understand simple arguments and trying to strawman abstractions. I'm actually embarrassed for you.

-mention one time
-"always"
have I brought that up before or do other people keep bringing it up to you and you still think it's their fault not yours? i mean congratulations if you're confident in your language but then that would make this an issue of mental acuity yeah

every time you repost trying to finally understand a basic idea from days ago you casually drag along 10 other irrelevant things that you're dead wrong about in passing like europe needing masses of unemployed unskilled refugees to do jobs that are being automated

How can you create an argument based on a false claim... again. After I just explained all of that. Goddamn

Glad you think we have a relationship though

what is my argument, sir

On September 10 2020 07:21 Spitfiree wrote: Implying that Syrian refugees are purely unskilled labor is where I can't agree. Europe is lacking in medical and engineering staff heavily and Germany specifically did a good job of taking in a good chunk of quality Syrians. When people think of Syria they think of your typical Mid-East brainwashed Muslim for whatever reason, while this couldn't be farther from the truth. Yeah, there re's tons of unskilled personnel that made it through as well but the implied benefits that the qualified people are bringing is enough e.g. 1 doctor's value is most likely at least X a few dozen useless refugees for society.

If your country is lacking skilled workforce then the idea of allowing properly screened migration is something most people are on board with besides the ultra nationalists, however, an overwhelming majority of migrants are unskilled labor, that being said Syrians are refugees so it probably has a better distribution of skilled/unskilled labor.

Anyway I'm absolutely pro-migration, I think legal migration should be much easier than it is, but it should be a matter of self interest not charity which is the driver of the migration policies of the left, actually in fact I think complete open borders make sense in a libertarian society, but never in one with a costly social safety net, that system would collapse with open borders, the most obvious way would be an UBI society with open borders, even the non-retarded leftist know that would be unsustainable.

On September 10 2020 20:55 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On September 10 2020 07:21 Spitfiree wrote: Implying that Syrian refugees are purely unskilled labor is where I can't agree. Europe is lacking in medical and engineering staff heavily and Germany specifically did a good job of taking in a good chunk of quality Syrians. When people think of Syria they think of your typical Mid-East brainwashed Muslim for whatever reason, while this couldn't be farther from the truth. Yeah, there re's tons of unskilled personnel that made it through as well but the implied benefits that the qualified people are bringing is enough e.g. 1 doctor's value is most likely at least X a few dozen useless refugees for society. If your country is lacking skilled workforce then the idea of allowing properly screened migration is something most people are on board with besides the ultra nationalists, however, an overwhelming majority of migrants are unskilled labor, that being said Syrians are refugees so it probably has a better distribution of skilled/unskilled labor. Anyway I'm absolutely pro-migration, I think legal migration should be much easier than it is, but it should be a matter of self interest not charity which is the driver of the migration policies of the left, actually in fact I think complete open borders make sense in a libertarian society, but never in one with a costly social safety net, that system would collapse with open borders, the most obvious way would be an UBI society with open borders, even the non-retarded leftist know that would be unsustainable.

I agree, however politics are a fuckfest entangled with stupid hidden layers of 'ifs' and 'whats' so a straight forward rational decision rarely makes it through

I don't understand your opinion on societies with safety nets in the current state of things. All the 'news' on refugees receiving money just for migrating to Germany is bollocks and only people that have no idea how the country is ran believe it. It is true that there was aid to refugees, but only if they showed desire to get integrated e.g. learning german and showing progress etc. from which the country would benefit at the end. It's not like they welcome you with a bag of money on the border. And pretty much every country with social safety nets operates that way.

Not true at all. Even if your asylum application gets denied and you are in the country illegally, the illegals have the right to get money from the Finnish government, same access to healthcare, right to housing etc. It's not the same amount of benefits than your average Finn gets, but they get the necessities needed to live here. If you get your asylum granted, they probably get put on some language course, but it's not like if they fail the course they'll get kicked out. In reality there are no requirements.

You never heard of the Swedish suburbs where everyone is Somali and nobody can speak a sentence of Swedish? They don't have to speak the language because they have their own communities where Somali is spoken.

Spitfiree is wrong again.

Nah you're just a moron that can't read on top of being a full-blown racist, a complete waste of air. Good job strawmanning yet another discussion.

Think I'll just follow Loco's steps .. probably would've already if it weren't for Baal and blackjacki... the rest of you have the capability of 3rd grader when it comes to building an argument.

I could go ahead and give you non-anecdotal response, but it would be a waste of my time since you can barely read.

On September 11 2020 17:11 Spitfiree wrote: I don't understand your opinion on societies with safety nets in the current state of things. All the 'news' on refugees receiving money just for migrating to Germany is bollocks and only people that have no idea how the country is ran believe it. It is true that there was aid to refugees, but only if they showed desire to get integrated e.g. learning german and showing progress etc. from which the country would benefit at the end. It's not like they welcome you with a bag of money on the border. And pretty much every country with social safety nets operates that way.

A state safety net makes the potential economical burden of a migrant higher, poor and unskilled/uneducated migrants are more likely to require of said safety net than citizens, ergo the bigger your safety net, the tighter your border control has to be, as I mentioned before, imagine a country that offered a 10k monthly UBI, well you can see how said country would have to control their borders or their economy would implode because of migration.

You keep repeating that a country benefits from each new person but this isn't true, otherwise GDP per capita would be directly coorelated with total population actually the correlation (weak) is reverse, a country benefits from population growth only when unemployment is really low but thats just in averages while a migrant can generate a lot of positives to its host country and to increase the odds of this happening is by having a relatively easy road to citizenship to desired people.

Obv this is somewehat selfish and elitist, the morality adds another layer of complexity.

Spitfiree unironically: I could do this and that, i just don't feel like it!