Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 273

On November 09 2020 08:53 Jelle wrote: ugh vice president kamala harris and equity > equality :'( im pretty tilted especially since it looked like god-emperor trump was doing great at first, then sick beats lag bm maphack rigged fake news & ballots where's my pepe on copium meme?

The other day i saw a "pepe on ropium" meme lol

On November 09 2020 08:26 PuertoRican wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2020 03:07 Baalim wrote: btw, interesting paralel with Mexico, our current president (best president in the world according to Loco lol) lost the previous elections and claimed fraud, demanded to count vote by vote, he held rallies and made a big movement about it, then his people took downtown Mexico city with tents and blocked the street for like 6 months... after it didn't go anywhere he declared himself "legitimate president of Mexico" with a ceremony and eveything and pretended to rule for like another year, 6 years later he won the election by landslide lol. Holy shit... That is weird and sad at the same time. Is your president at least helping the country move forward to become a better place? If he is, then awesome.

No, he has been beyond awful.

- The army after violent gunfire and many dead caught the biggest criminal at large in the world, (The Chapo's son), and he let him go, without any due process, he just released him.
- A few months later he wen't to el Chapo's town and ate with their family, he is caught on video shaking the Chapo's mother.
- His brother was caught on tape twice recieving bribes explicitly saying the money is for the president and there aren't and won't be any charges.
- He also like Trump and Bolsognaro is a "Covid denier", we are the country with most medical staff deaths by covid in the world.

I could make a list 10x as long, and what I want to point out for the 100th time is that Loco called him the best president in the world... he only started backpedaling because he is building a train across the Mayan jungle and is very pro fossil fuels. I remember he said he didnt like Maduro and Castro because he mistreated anarchists lol... not because they are murderous dictators that have commited unspeakable acts and deserve to be sitting in the 9th sphere of dante's hell, nah that doesnt register, its all about how he treated anarchist. that is how the world looks like when you look it through the glass of a dogma

On November 09 2020 19:15 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2020 01:08 Baalim wrote: The control of speech is not a contradiction to libertarian ideals? all right then lol. Do you think the right and the left are having their freedom of speech supressed equally, or do you think one more than the other? It's a joke to even suggest this, but i understand why you think this because you think leftists are people who rage about identity politics on twitter, antifa, or are chapo traphouse types, or are just the odd lunatic in a university who argue math is racist. If leftists have something interesting to say, they are ignored, if they say crazy things, they are given attention. Do you know robert fisk? He died several days ago. In my view one of the greatest journalists in history-he covered middle east geopolitics for many decades, supported the palestinian cause and interviewed osama bin laden a few times. Try find an interview with him in the US corporate media, try find a single one. I'm not sure you can-you might want to google search and see if i'm right about that. So, yes-routinely suppressed. What about Chris Hedges when he opposed the iraq war? He was fired from the new york times on the same day. What about walden bello exposing famines caused by globalization? No one here has heard of him. What about economists putting forth green new deal proposals? They don't enjoy the privilege of beleiving in debt ceilings or any of the other pseudo-science propagated by conservative economists. All of the scientists working in the EPA under Trump that got fired purely for being scientists? Yeah you'll find the liberal media covering that-for a few minutes. Everyone knows about alex jones getting silenced by youtube. Ok, fine, you can complain about that even though up until then the free marketers were saying well you can just compete in the media by setting up alternative business if you don't like the current one your in! No one here except maybe loco would know anything about how the algorithm has been suppressing left media for around four years now. Why? It's not even considered news worthy: The left media are suppressed by the google algortithm, and their traffic took a serious hit around 2016, and it was studied by FAIR: "Indeed, the leftist media watchdog group Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR) found that after Google’s drive for more reliable content, the sites reporting drops-off in traffic are uniformly on the left, and often among the best left-leaning sites. They included the popular left news site Democracy Now!, whose traffic fell by 36 percent; Truthout, by 25 percent; CounterPunch, by 21 percent, and the liberal AlterNet, by a crushing 63 percent.38 AlterNet’s graph of its site traffic shows the catastrophic impact of this move by the Internet’s “master switch,” with its visitor numbers gradually rising over several years to well over six hundred thousand and then plunging steeply after the new algorithm was introduced."-Bit Tyrants. The CEO of google admitted suppressing the world socialist website just recently as a sort of 'gotcha' when being interrogated for his apparent bias against conservatives. Apparently we have to go out of our way to listen to idiots to not be 'suppressors of free speech'. That's essentially the definition of free speech your using, i actually have to keep listening to trump or else im suppressing him, even though he has been given more attention than anyone in the world? How do you not realize how childish this is. I agree with you on one thing and that is that the coporate media can flick a switch to decide who is and isn't given coverage, that is chilling-but you havn't given the slightest attention to any of the above examples i gave.

Well then perhaps you should start supporting freedom of speech.

On November 09 2020 20:22 hiems wrote: Stroggoz don't you think its fair to say that you exhibit the signs of a highly autistic individual, and that this makes you unable to perceive things in a way that normal people do? I don't mean to say it's a bad thing necessarily, it makes you excel at math and games for example, but in the realm of politics this can be a bad thing.

you are too optimistic here, only 1 to 3% of people with autism have special skills.

On November 10 2020 11:18 maryn wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2020 20:22 hiems wrote: Stroggoz don't you think its fair to say that you exhibit the signs of a highly autistic individual, and that this makes you unable to perceive things in a way that normal people do? I don't mean to say it's a bad thing necessarily, it makes you excel at math and games for example, but in the realm of politics this can be a bad thing. you are too optimistic here, only 1 to 3% of people with autism have special skills.

Wat? So whats your point? Stroggoz is a super normal guy that relates to normal ppl? Lol.

You havent even proved he is not autistic and autism isnt really an established thing yet. Its just another stupid invention by dumbfuck psychologists. They even changed aspergers definition < 10 years ago. Psychology is mostly bs. Even within whatever definition of autism exists right now you still havent shown me sttoggoz is likely not autistic lol.

Point is Stroggoz is "one of those" types that is just about the least able to relate to the average joe that wants to watch nfl on sundays or go to music festivals, start a family, get laid, etc. He has nothing in common with the average person yet for some reason thinks the world would be better off if they follow his ideas lol.

On November 10 2020 18:02 hiems wrote: So whats your point?

that being autistic doesnt mean you will have special abilities like math, music etc, its actually very rare to be a savant.

You look at Baal & Stroggoz's discussion and its enjoyable and then you read hiems's posts and:

Antifa and leftist accounts get banned all the time, you just never know about it Baal. So much so that some guys from my city started a new social media platform.

https://www.mic.com/p/inside-kolektiv...uilt-by-anarchists-activists-42617028

On November 10 2020 06:52 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 09 2020 08:26 PuertoRican wrote:   On November 09 2020 03:07 Baalim wrote: btw, interesting paralel with Mexico, our current president (best president in the world according to Loco lol) lost the previous elections and claimed fraud, demanded to count vote by vote, he held rallies and made a big movement about it, then his people took downtown Mexico city with tents and blocked the street for like 6 months... after it didn't go anywhere he declared himself "legitimate president of Mexico" with a ceremony and eveything and pretended to rule for like another year, 6 years later he won the election by landslide lol. Holy shit... That is weird and sad at the same time. Is your president at least helping the country move forward to become a better place? If he is, then awesome. No, he has been beyond awful. - The army after violent gunfire and many dead caught the biggest criminal at large in the world, (The Chapo's son), and he let him go, without any due process, he just released him. - A few months later he wen't to el Chapo's town and ate with their family, he is caught on video shaking the Chapo's mother. - His brother was caught on tape twice recieving bribes explicitly saying the money is for the president and there aren't and won't be any charges. - He also like Trump and Bolsognaro is a "Covid denier", we are the country with most medical staff deaths by covid in the world. I could make a list 10x as long, and what I want to point out for the 100th time is that Loco called him the best president in the world... he only started backpedaling because he is building a train across the Mayan jungle and is very pro fossil fuels. I remember he said he didnt like Maduro and Castro because he mistreated anarchists lol... not because they are murderous dictators that have commited unspeakable acts and deserve to be sitting in the 9th sphere of dante's hell, nah that doesnt register, its all about how he treated anarchist. that is how the world looks like when you look it through the glass of a dogma

It's crazy how unconsciously desperate you are to start an argument with me because you need your "loco drama fix" so much you're willing to lie and distort the truth of what I said that badly. Your ego must still be reeling so bad from that last embarrassing argument that exposed how you don't understand the basics of political economy and what capitalism is, and how silly you are in thinking that you understand indigenous people because you live in the same country as them and you've brushed shoulders with some of them during your rallies in order to access roads.... lmao

On November 10 2020 21:48 Loco wrote: Antifa and leftist accounts get banned all the time, you just never know about it Baal. So much so that some guys from my city started a new social media platform. https://www.mic.com/p/inside-kolektiv...uilt-by-anarchists-activists-42617028

Then perhaps you also should start supporting freedom of speech.

On November 10 2020 22:06 Loco wrote: It's crazy how unconsciously desperate you are to start an argument with me because you need your "loco drama fix" so much you're willing to lie and distort the truth of what I said that badly. Your ego must still be reeling so bad from that last embarrassing argument that exposed how you don't understand the basics of political economy and what capitalism is, and how silly you are in thinking that you understand indigenous people because you live in the same country as them and you've brushed shoulders with some of them during your rallies in order to access roads.... lmao

Daddy needs his fix of retarded takes with a side dose of cringue and you are a great provider, you never dissapoint.


Also you literally called Meixco's president the best in the world, but as usual you were talking about shit you have little understanding of (oh but 100 sources backing it up lol), since you were born and have lived all your life in Canada I understand why you don't get how Mexican society works since 500 years of miscegenation is something completely alien to you, I've said before that it's likely I dont share your concerns about capitalism because I haven't lived and experienced the outrageous waste and consumerism of the US/Can capitalism since in my country is much more measured, we don't have many mega-corps nor a Wallstee'esque financial sector, franchises don't dominate the market etc.

It's also likely that my anti-state position is influenced because I've lived in a society with a corruption you could hardly imagine, if I lived in Norway with drone I might have a different outlook.

Thats why I keep "challenging" you to live elsewhere, not the cliché "if you don't like Canada get out of there" but because I think it would broaden your horizon and you would understand many things you are not.

So you can't use the resources you have available to you to get outside of your head, your culture, your national history. I can. I don't necessarily need to have lived elsewhere when I have the ability to think critically and parse information that comes from those other places. And capitalism is a global system, it has to be studied as such. What happens in Norway is no more representative of what you should think about capitalism than any other situation that conflates part and whole and what determines what.

I don't care to live my life debating which boot I'd prefer to be crushed by, unlike you, so leave me out of it and get your fix elsewhere.

This whole thread is basically 2 people arguing back and forth, one thinks they are an expert because they live in Latin America adjacent to the poors and the other thinks they are an expert because they watched a documentary on Vice

On November 10 2020 20:41 Spitfiree wrote: You look at Baal & Stroggoz's discussion and its enjoyable and then you read hiems's posts and:

I've looked into the definition of autism and probably have it. Not sure why psychologists consider it some sort of disorder for being interested in math or poker. It's quite strange that some kids fetishize their autism once they find out they have it, considering you actually learn nothing new from being told your autistic. And yes if you like math a lot it means you have autism; that's how they've defined it, seems to me. Given the questions they ask on the test. Mental disorders are often value judgements from the profession. Like I could call homosexuality or hysteria a disorder as psychologists used to do and they wernt wrong because they defined it to be true, they were just making a value judgement. If you study higher math its actually perfectly reasonable for 1=2 to be true because you can just make it true by saying it's true. That is literally how mathematical reasoning works sometimes lmao.

I could also call myself a ravenclaw or hufflepuff and there's no pseudoscience behind that claim, it's just a characterization of personality into four different types. Just like Myers Briggs is. I am ravenclaw btw.

Probably if I encountered heims in real life and talked pols the conversations would be civil. There's no way his life experience has taught him to talk like that because he would've been punched in the face many times by now. I'm pretty patient talking to people about pols.

I mean you can't really criticize Adolf Hitler and nazism unless you lived in Germany. That's the basic logic we should be using here, right???

I have to say that only completely clueless people believe that autists are the dude from Rainman

99.999999% of autists have an extremely hard time doing basic things I can assure you that there is pretty much close to zero chance of you being an autist simply because you read a lot and are knowledgeable

On November 11 2020 12:01 Stroggoz wrote: [QUOTE]On November 10 2020 20:41 Spitfiree wrote: Probably if I encountered heims in real life and talked pols the conversations would be civil. There's no way his life experience has taught him to talk like that because he would've been punched in the face many times by now. I'm pretty patient talking to people about pols.

This would be pretty interesting. Not really sure how I would act in that scenario.

On November 11 2020 04:41 Loco wrote: So you can't use the resources you have available to you to get outside of your head, your culture, your national history. I can. I don't necessarily need to have lived elsewhere when I have the ability to think critically and parse information that comes from those other places. And capitalism is a global system, it has to be studied as such. What happens in Norway is no more representative of what you should think about capitalism than any other situation that conflates part and whole and what determines what. I don't care to live my life debating which boot I'd prefer to be crushed by, unlike you, so leave me out of it and get your fix elsewhere.

You clearly overestimate your ability to "parse information ouside of your culture" as your previous posts show, pretty wild that I have to tell that to an SJW since one of their core belief is "you can never understand other cultures", which I disagree, you can to a degree, its just you that are particularly bad at it and totally unaware.

If you think capitalism is the same in every country then you really need to travel more.

On November 11 2020 12:41 Stroggoz wrote: I mean you can't really criticize Adolf Hitler and nazism unless you lived in Germany. That's the basic logic we should be using here, right???

calling that a strawman would be a compliment.


But If im going to try to contradict and lecture Spitfire on Bulgarian culture and balcan and slavic race relations and call Ruman Radev the best head of state in the planet I would be stupid for me to do this without ever setting a foot on eastern europe or studied it really in depth. The hubris required to do it would be astonishing.

On November 11 2020 17:28 Spitfiree wrote: I have to say that only completely clueless people believe that autists are the dude from Rainman 99.999999% of autists have an extremely hard time doing basic things I can assure you that there is pretty much close to zero chance of you being an autist simply because you read a lot and are knowledgeable

that's not what autism means. Autism is when you get 32/50 or higher on some questionare. Idk weather rainmain would get high but the question on it, basically any math nerd would get over 32. I'm going off this test that psychologists use.

Yeah I know some people held back 4 years in high school that were diagnosed autism as well. Clearly they were misdiagnosed because they wouldn't get above 32. (Imo)