Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 274

On November 11 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On November 11 2020 04:41 Loco wrote: So you can't use the resources you have available to you to get outside of your head, your culture, your national history. I can. I don't necessarily need to have lived elsewhere when I have the ability to think critically and parse information that comes from those other places. And capitalism is a global system, it has to be studied as such. What happens in Norway is no more representative of what you should think about capitalism than any other situation that conflates part and whole and what determines what. I don't care to live my life debating which boot I'd prefer to be crushed by, unlike you, so leave me out of it and get your fix elsewhere. You clearly overestimate your ability to "parse information ouside of your culture" as your previous posts show, pretty wild that I have to tell that to an SJW since one of their core belief is "you can never understand other cultures", which I disagree, you can to a degree, its just you that are particularly bad at it and totally unaware. If you think capitalism is the same in every country then you really need to travel more.

That's not what I said. As usual, you can't read. I said almost the opposite of that. I said capitalism is a global system, which means you can't isolate countries and evaluate them in a vacuum. What you are doing or what people do by using Scandinavian countries as an argument for bettering capitalism / capitalism being good is basically the same thing as saying that capitalism is good because there is a ruling class that lives very well. Thats just one part of the system, one part of the story. It doesn't lead to a conclusion, it's not an analysis. Growing up somewhere has little to nothing to contribute to a political economy analysis of global capitalism.

My girlfriend has travelled the world and lived in Latin America. She grew up and lived for 20 years in Ukraine. She hitchhiked a lot. She knows hunger. In fact she just finished her first documentary on it and food waste, filmed here in Montreal. Think she doesn't know state corruption and dogma and its long-standing ripple effects? Growing up in a country with that history and where there is virtually no mental health support? Mystery why she is not a fucking libertarian according to your genius "travel theory" and "government corruption theory".

Yes, I'm a SJW who believes in feeding people. How radically disconnected from reality right? that in a world of superabudance people shouldn't die of hunger. That in fact they don't "die of hunger", they are killed by the global system of capitalism working as intended. And you are a defender of this status quo, and a pseudo religious madman who thinks we ought to place our faith in billionaire handouts to solve the problem, despite all the evidence showing that it doesn't work, to say the very least.

On November 12 2020 06:14 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On November 11 2020 23:35 Baalim wrote:   On November 11 2020 04:41 Loco wrote: So you can't use the resources you have available to you to get outside of your head, your culture, your national history. I can. I don't necessarily need to have lived elsewhere when I have the ability to think critically and parse information that comes from those other places. And capitalism is a global system, it has to be studied as such. What happens in Norway is no more representative of what you should think about capitalism than any other situation that conflates part and whole and what determines what. I don't care to live my life debating which boot I'd prefer to be crushed by, unlike you, so leave me out of it and get your fix elsewhere. You clearly overestimate your ability to "parse information ouside of your culture" as your previous posts show, pretty wild that I have to tell that to an SJW since one of their core belief is "you can never understand other cultures", which I disagree, you can to a degree, its just you that are particularly bad at it and totally unaware. If you think capitalism is the same in every country then you really need to travel more. That's not what I said. As usual, you can't read. I said almost the opposite of that. I said capitalism is a global system, which means you can't isolate countries and evaluate them in a vacuum. What you are doing or what people do by using Scandinavian countries as an argument for bettering capitalism / capitalism being good is basically the same thing as saying that capitalism is good because there is a ruling class that lives very well. Thats just one part of the system, one part of the story. It doesn't lead to a conclusion, it's not an analysis. Growing up somewhere has little to nothing to contribute to a political economy analysis of global capitalism. My girlfriend has travelled the world and lived in Latin America. She grew up and lived for 20 years in Ukraine. She hitchhiked a lot. She knows hunger. In fact she just finished her first documentary on it and food waste, filmed here in Montreal. Think she doesn't know state corruption and dogma and its long-standing ripple effects? Growing up in a country with that history and where there is virtually no mental health support? Mystery why she is not a fucking libertarian according to your genius "travel theory" and "government corruption theory". Yes, I'm a SJW who believes in feeding people. How radically disconnected from reality right? that in a world of superabudance people shouldn't die of hunger. That in fact they don't "die of hunger", they are killed by the global system of capitalism working as intended. And you are a defender of this status quo, and a pseudo religious madman who thinks we ought to place our faith in billionaire handouts to solve the problem, despite all the evidence showing that it doesn't work, to say the very least.

lol you literally tried to pretend you are more knowledgeable than me about Asians in film after doing a 5 min google search.

Trump took notice of the gatherings and tweeted on Friday that he might make an appearance. Before Saturday's rallies, the President's motorcade passed cheering and waving supporters on his way to a golf outing

No matter what you say...
Gotta love the respect he shows his electorate while going out of his way to another meaningful, valuable, but most importantly - successful journey in his presidency

I don't understand how organizations like The Proud Boys or QAnon are not treated as terrorist organizations, but there are still people going to jail for years for 1g of amphetamine

On November 12 2020 06:14 Loco wrote: That's not what I said. As usual, you can't read. I said almost the opposite of that. I said capitalism is a global system, which means you can't isolate countries and evaluate them in a vacuum. What you are doing or what people do by using Scandinavian countries as an argument for bettering capitalism / capitalism being good is basically the same thing as saying that capitalism is good because there is a ruling class that lives very well. Thats just one part of the system, one part of the story. It doesn't lead to a conclusion, it's not an analysis. Growing up somewhere has little to nothing to contribute to a political economy analysis of global capitalism.

I didn't mention scandinavia as an example of good capitalism, I said that unbridled consumerism isnt inherent to capitalism, its curious that a socialist only pictures a system by its ugliest flaws I mean... I don't think that will work great for you.

My girlfriend has travelled the world and lived in Latin America. She grew up and lived for 20 years in Ukraine. She hitchhiked a lot. She knows hunger. In fact she just finished her first documentary on it and food waste, filmed here in Montreal. Think she doesn't know state corruption and dogma and its long-standing ripple effects? Growing up in a country with that history and where there is virtually no mental health support? Mystery why she is not a fucking libertarian according to your genius "travel theory" and "government corruption theory".

Never said living in latinamerica makes you libertarian lol, I said that if you lived here you would understand how latinamerican culture works with indigenous people because you are seeing it from an US/Can perspective which is a very different situation, and to anybody living in latinamerica it would be very apparent that you don't know what you are talking about in this subject.

That being said, living in Venezuela would very likely change your perception of Maduro's "honest face" lol.

Yes, I'm a SJW who believes in feeding people. How radically disconnected from reality right? that in a world of superabudance people shouldn't die of hunger. That in fact they don't "die of hunger", they are killed by the global system of capitalism working as intended. And you are a defender of this status quo, and a pseudo religious madman who thinks we ought to place our faith in billionaire handouts to solve the problem, despite all the evidence showing that it doesn't work, to say the very least.

Yes because socialism has historically been good at feeding people lol, the abundance you speak of is generated by capitalilsm and to think you can feed the world because there is food overproduction in certain areas is like thinking you can irrigate the sahara because theres a lot of water in greenland, its a problem of logistics not of production, and its not about billionare handouts but a culture of voluntarism, help each other willingly not through force.

lolol

On December 02 2020 03:26 Baalim wrote:

This reminds me exactly of my buddy "Roger" I went to high school with, lol.

https://twitter.com/roger_sheng?lang=en

he actually blocked me, so I have no idea what his twitter says.
@roger_sheng

This has strong Loco / Stroggoz energy.

"How dare they use the weapons I helped forge against me... they are to be used against baddies only!"

this morning at 10:00am portland time I had ANTIFA Navy Fleet Commander @professordarwin arrested on charges of stolen valor

he's being held on $100,000 bail

you?

#StopTheLeftPurge is trending on twitter after many leftist accounts being banned and frankly is divine justice

Congratulations_you_played_yourself_meme.jpg

Jokes aside can't wait for Iran to get a nuke and then the fun will start

In Norway the "black lifes matter" movement managed to shut down a comedy serie from 2011. The best norwegian comedy serie the last 10 years by far... Because one of the characters is a semi-black man played by a white man. ("blackface" )

Again and again they prove who the most intolerant people really are.

I cant remember ANYONE being offended by this program in 2011.... but now 9 years later they are. Somehow.


1000 years ago we had Vikings......... Now we have people that get OFFENDED BY COMEDY SHOWS.

Imagine doing a comedy show in the 21st century that requires blackface for it to be funny

yeah as a Norwegian I'm totally fine with this. I don't think the comedian in question had racist intentions in any way, but apparently black people overwhelmingly find blackface offensive. I think there are plenty examples of overreacting to stuff like this, especially when it's someone getting offended on behalf of a group (where that group itself doesn't care) - but that hardly seems to be the case here. There are more black people in Norway than before. It means we can't be as racist as we used to be without offending them. So we have to change our behavior if we don't want to be assholes. No problem there really. The guys responsible for this decision said something to the effect of 'we recognize that there are valid arguments for and against the decision we ended up making, but we're still going with it', and I think that's totally fair.

FB algorithms (and presumably twitter too) censoring stuff without context is a much bigger issue. Saw today some norwegian 'expert on freedom of speech' who had been banned for 24 hours because she posted a picture of hitler on facebook as an experiment. If you post a picture of him followed by the text 'let us all mourn the passing of this great man who unfortunately did not quite succeed in exterminating the jew-vermin from the face of the planet' then I'm on board with it, but censoring any mention of him also means the historian who wants to educate people on how dangerous he was gets censored too.

Basically, while I don't mind (and occasionally find necessary) censoring some hate speech, it should be done by actual people who have to make an informed decision, and where you can have a discussion about whether or not this particular example should stand or not. Then you can agree or disagree, and we can have a public discussion, and hopefully we all emerge smarter and more informed from that experience. But letting it be decided by algorithms seems like a terrible choice.

On December 05 2020 22:34 Spitfiree wrote: Imagine doing a comedy show in the 21st century that requires blackface for it to be funny

I think you didn't even find the name of the show or actor before you typed this thoughtless bullshit

On December 05 2020 22:34 Spitfiree wrote: Imagine doing a comedy show in the 21st century that requires blackface for it to be funny

I acctually didnt even think of the character as "black" when I watched it. I thought they made fun of "slack" people from the south of Norway... The character probably has more in common with me than the typical "foreigner" :D

This is from the best norwegian comedy show ever made (imo), from 2001-2002 I think. Its more "blackface" than the other one (He also plays his father in this show). He litterally makes fun of people from Pakistan and some of their customs (like forced marriage). I think most people from Pakistan finds it funny and are totally cool with it. Luckily they refuse to take it down:



I could never imagine being offended by these classical comedy programs.... what a world we live in :-) Not much of "Vikings" left in us.

Gotta admit I don't understand why you think it's a negative that we are less vikingy than we used to be. It's basically like a German complaining about Germany no longer being into invading other countries and committing genocide. I mean, the vikings comprised a very small portion of Norwegian society 1000 years ago (mostly it was just farmers and fishermen), but their claim to fame is basically raping, murdering, pillaging and enslaving other people. Those aren't good traits.