But most importantly, why do so many people give a shit what he does?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
I think its time Trump restarts his reality tv show, this time with him and other national heads streaming their diplomacy talks. I would certainly enjoy that
Oh and also mexican president officially canceled his meeting
Yea he is a living meme, am aware, I'm just utterly surprised by how much coverage he gets
Then again, not that surprised, given its murrica, and most useless topics always get most coverage
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Btw to the people that say Trump is a self made billionaire, I hope you do realize he has inherited multi million dollar account which 50 years ago would be more than a billion if you just go with the inflation rate. Since im guessing he s inherited more than 100-200 milly back then
Also he did say he he will " self fund " his campaign, yet John Oliver exposed him to not be doing so (and he obviously didnt anyway) plus all of his "investments" and hotels that are closing together with the lawsuits for the university which was obviously a money scam and so on, only point out to him being desperate moneywise. So I'm really having trouble believing him being a good businessman either at this point.
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Stim_Abuser United States. Jan 26 2017 22:03. Posts 7499
The wall is apparently going to take 16 years to build. Assuming after a disasterous 4 years a democrat will be elected next election cycle and they could just cancel it no?
I really can't believe the fucking EPA gag order. Scientists can't even talk about fucking science jfc. Dude is blatantly lying about the wall, his inaguration, and his supporters don't even care. They just care about " winning " and sticking it to the " libtards "
Incredible stuff.
Hey Im slinging mad volume and fat stackin benjies I dont got time for spellin n shit - skinny pete
On January 26 2017 21:03 Stim_Abuser wrote:
The wall is apparently going to take 16 years to build. Assuming after a disasterous 4 years a democrat will be elected next election cycle and they could just cancel it no?
It's basically like that viral marketing campaign for that card game where they were digging a hole for no reason.
Pretty much the same on larger scale, except all muricans will be funding it and there will be more paid workers.
Trump uses it in two ways: some odd way to pressure Mexico to 'pay up'
And he gets to tweet about how he creates jobs.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
On January 26 2017 21:03 Stim_Abuser wrote:
I really can't believe the fucking EPA gag order. Scientists can't even talk about fucking science jfc. Dude is blatantly lying about the wall, his inaguration, and his supporters don't even care. They just care about " winning " and sticking it to the " libtards "
Incredible stuff.
Yup, that concerns me the most. EPA having to submit it's research/findings/reports(etc) for "political" revision by Trump's team is mind boggling. Basically used to eliminate blame towards "dirty" energy so Trump's special interests can go ahead without any reprocusions.
All this blame towards the "political correctness" being the censorship of the 21st century will be dwarfed by real cencorship Trump is currently trying to implement. His war on the "media" (except for Murdoch's empire and 4chan bloggers) falls under same umbrella.
I'm fully optimistic that the US has a strong enough structure to avoid falling so hard in this regard, and doubt he'll be able to go full China and impose some real censorship on it's people
Facts will prevail and this post truth, alternative facts bullshit will be ridiculed to no extend.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Everything is 2x hilarious cuz USA is in fact a country of immigrants to begin with and it has one of the lowest population density in the world with a lot of room to grow, the social politics from what i understand would be hilarious to even compare to Germany ( where immigrants can actually abuse the country for money in some ways, but still overblown in the media ). I really don't see what the problem with even illegal immigrants is, other than drugs and some illegal shit that wont be stopped whatever they do anyway :/
The country will mostly benefit from them as it has for decades
Not even worth discussing how dumb the whole idea about the wall is in general, just random other thoughts about the global concept.
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NMcNasty United States. Jan 26 2017 22:30. Posts 2039
I mean here are the best wall scenarios ranked from best to worst:
1. The wall was just an empty campaign promise, and Trump never gets around to building it
2. The wall basically doesn't get built at all, but at least some part of it does so Trump gets a photo op (this is what I was expecting)
3. The wall does get built, and Mexico actually pays for it (better for Americans anyway)
4. The wall does get built, but its Americans who pay for it
5. Trump starts a trade war with Mexico over his wall (this is where we are now)
On January 26 2017 21:23 Spitfiree wrote:
Everything is 2x hilarious cuz USA is in fact a country of immigrants to begin with and it has one of the lowest population density in the world with a lot of room to grow, the social politics from what i understand would be hilarious to even compare to Germany ( where immigrants can actually abuse the country for money in some ways, but still overblown in the media ). I really don't see what the problem with even illegal immigrants is, other than drugs and some illegal shit that wont be stopped whatever they do anyway :/
The country will mostly benefit from them as it has for decades
Not even worth discussing how dumb the whole idea about the wall is in general, just random other thoughts about the global concept.
Hate for immigration is fairly easy to understand, since it's usually the ones that have 0 contact with immigrants that are the one hating on them.
It's same thing where I live, in Montreal, big city with lots of different cultural origins. Everyone loves it here, having access to multitude of cultures and the benefits they have.
Outside of Montreal (in the province of Quebec) , most have a extremely negative POV of all immigrants, and coincides with having virtually no immigrants outside of Montreal (outside of the few you find in Sherbrooke and Quebec city)
People in Roumania hate black people. I've seen one maybe in my (short) lifetime there, and pretty much every Roumania hates em with a passion, to the point that I bought a 'jokes book' at a train station when I was 11-12 years old, and 1/4 of the jokes were racist jokes about blacks.
A relative came to Montreal 5~ years ago, and he saw a Asian baby at Costco (confirmed never seen an Asian baby in his life or traveled outside of Roumania) , and his reaction was: "woa, Chinese baby's are fugly"
Fear of the unknown.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
"It's a disaster. I actually talked with Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years and the Dems would come begging to do something. ... We have to take care of the American people so we can't wait," Trump told lawmakers at a GOP retreat in Philadelphia.
"We're taking them out of a big jam, big jam. We're putting ourselves at risk to a certain extent because we're taking it off their platter. But I think, congressmen, I think we have no choice. ... We have to get it going. I'm serious if we waited two years it's going to explode like you've never seen an explosion. ... That's politically what we should do but we don't want to do that."
What a nice guy this trump is
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 27 2017 01:39. Posts 2233
"It's a disaster. I actually talked with Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years and the Dems would come begging to do something. ... We have to take care of the American people so we can't wait," Trump told lawmakers at a GOP retreat in Philadelphia.
"We're taking them out of a big jam, big jam. We're putting ourselves at risk to a certain extent because we're taking it off their platter. But I think, congressmen, I think we have no choice. ... We have to get it going. I'm serious if we waited two years it's going to explode like you've never seen an explosion. ... That's politically what we should do but we don't want to do that."
What a nice guy this trump is
is what he said incorrect in some way?
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
"It's a disaster. I actually talked with Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years and the Dems would come begging to do something. ... We have to take care of the American people so we can't wait," Trump told lawmakers at a GOP retreat in Philadelphia.
"We're taking them out of a big jam, big jam. We're putting ourselves at risk to a certain extent because we're taking it off their platter. But I think, congressmen, I think we have no choice. ... We have to get it going. I'm serious if we waited two years it's going to explode like you've never seen an explosion. ... That's politically what we should do but we don't want to do that."
What a nice guy this trump is
is what he said incorrect in some way?
No, not interested in debating the prediction of Obamacare or universal health care blah blah
More interested in how he presents his ideas (manipulating) , and how he manages to make a large portion of people believe that the "explosion" of Obamacare is truth and not debatable because he says it in a way that your mind fixates on the factual "I could of done nothing about obamacare and just let it be" where focus is mainly on his "noble" action of fixing it, basically setting the bar extremely low for his (still in the works) plan to replace Obamacare.
I assume since he seems to indicate some belive in universal health care, he's going to replace Obamacare with same thing, minor tweaks, and call it great success!
I assume you are concious of the fact Trump displays the behaviour of an extreme manipulator (I've seen some in my life, but his level of narcissism is on a whole other level) , and manifestes it extremely well through speech and his actions?
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 27 2017 06:48. Posts 2233
"It's a disaster. I actually talked with Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years and the Dems would come begging to do something. ... We have to take care of the American people so we can't wait," Trump told lawmakers at a GOP retreat in Philadelphia.
"We're taking them out of a big jam, big jam. We're putting ourselves at risk to a certain extent because we're taking it off their platter. But I think, congressmen, I think we have no choice. ... We have to get it going. I'm serious if we waited two years it's going to explode like you've never seen an explosion. ... That's politically what we should do but we don't want to do that."
What a nice guy this trump is
is what he said incorrect in some way?
No, not interested in debating the prediction of Obamacare or universal health care blah blah
More interested in how he presents his ideas (manipulating) , and how he manages to make a large portion of people believe that the "explosion" of Obamacare is truth and not debatable because he says it in a way that your mind fixates on the factual "I could of done nothing about obamacare and just let it be" where focus is mainly on his "noble" action of fixing it, basically setting the bar extremely low for his (still in the works) plan to replace Obamacare.
so there's a proposition about the implosion of the ACA, and you're not willing to consider whether it's right or wrong, but because someone else has taken a stance on it (believes the proposition is right), that means they're secretly saying it's not debatable. are you sure it's not debatable or can you just not refute it?
and how is this different from anyone ever having an opinion about anything? "hey guys i'm against the death penalty" "wow just the way he said that it's like he's saying there's no room for debate at all"
it's like you've leveled yourself into missing the point, if you're a party and the opposition party did something that is fucking up, you do politically benefit by the fuckup being maximized. this has in fact been the default GOP strategy for 4 years. the problem is now they control everything, so waiting for things to get worse in order to get voters to turn to the GOP as a savior isn't an option. they already got the voters, now they have to deliver after all the obstructionism
forget about obamacare for a second. it is better to fix something sooner rather than later. now you're complaining that someone has such magical powers of bullshit that if he tries to fix it and actually makes it worse, people somehow won't notice? and have you never heard of politics before? because spin isn't a trump invention
On January 27 2017 03:55 uiCk wrote:
I assume
On January 27 2017 03:55 uiCk wrote:
I assume you are concious of the fact Trump displays the behaviour of an extreme manipulator (I've seen some in my life, but his level of narcissism is on a whole other level) , and manifestes it extremely well through speech and his actions?
yes, he's inadvertently taken advantage of a situation where people like you are confounded into wasting your time over the most meaningless things just to spite the orange boogeyman
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
"It's a disaster. I actually talked with Paul and the group about just doing nothing for two years and the Dems would come begging to do something. ... We have to take care of the American people so we can't wait," Trump told lawmakers at a GOP retreat in Philadelphia.
"We're taking them out of a big jam, big jam. We're putting ourselves at risk to a certain extent because we're taking it off their platter. But I think, congressmen, I think we have no choice. ... We have to get it going. I'm serious if we waited two years it's going to explode like you've never seen an explosion. ... That's politically what we should do but we don't want to do that."
What a nice guy this trump is
is what he said incorrect in some way?
No, not interested in debating the prediction of Obamacare or universal health care blah blah
More interested in how he presents his ideas (manipulating) , and how he manages to make a large portion of people believe that the "explosion" of Obamacare is truth and not debatable because he says it in a way that your mind fixates on the factual "I could of done nothing about obamacare and just let it be" where focus is mainly on his "noble" action of fixing it, basically setting the bar extremely low for his (still in the works) plan to replace Obamacare.
so there's a proposition about the implosion of the ACA, and you're not willing to consider whether it's right or wrong, but because someone else has taken a stance on it (believes the proposition is right), that means they're secretly saying it's not debatable. are you sure it's not debatable or can you just not refute it?
you are correct, I can't refute it, because I have little knowledge of it, except for fact it's not considered a "fail" by everyone, so I can assume that predicting it's future so hastly is mere speculation. Again, thought I made it clear, I'm not an American, so this debate has little interest to me.
and how is this different from anyone ever having an opinion about anything? "hey guys i'm against the death penalty" "wow just the way he said that it's like he's saying there's no room for debate at all"
obviously I'm talking about his speech, being more then just simple one liners. They are different, because his main purpose is not to express an opinion through rational, but manipulate you into not debating his opinion. I tried to explain what I observed from the way he says things, rather then what his 'opinion' is.
it's like you've leveled yourself into missing the point, if you're a party and the opposition party did something that is fucking up, you do politically benefit by the fuckup being maximized. this has in fact been the default GOP strategy for 4 years. the problem is now they control everything, so waiting for things to get worse in order to get voters to turn to the GOP as a savior isn't an option. they already got the voters, now they have to deliver after all the obstructionism
not really interested in going into a technical political debate (which will be your demand if I try to argue your stance here). I get the jist of it, I hate Politics.
forget about obamacare for a second. it is better to fix something sooner rather than later. now you're complaining that someone has such magical powers of bullshit that if he tries to fix it and actually makes it worse, people somehow won't notice? and have you never heard of politics before? because spin isn't a trump invention
making it look like Trump is the everyday politician. His genius comes from his narcissistic side, the ability to make others doubt themselves, and have to bathe in his confidence, manipulate to do whatever strokes his ego.
On January 27 2017 03:55 uiCk wrote:
I assume you are concious of the fact Trump displays the behaviour of an extreme manipulator (I've seen some in my life, but his level of narcissism is on a whole other level) , and manifestes it extremely well through speech and his actions?
yes, he's inadvertently taken advantage of a situation where people like you are confounded into wasting your time over the most meaningless things just to spite the orange boogeyman
Sure thing. I guess you defending his behaviour over and over is time well spent!
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Also love how you tell me to "forget Obamacare for a sec" as if I didn't make it clear enough I had 0 interest in talking about it, followed by me not talking about it.
I do appreciate the conversations, even if I feel like your motive seems to try to make me look like an idiot at every opportunity. and you have way more stamina in these situations then I can imagine.
I wish one of your guys had children if I could kick them in the fucking head or stomp on their testicles so you can feel my pain because thats the pain I have waking up everyday -- Mike Tyson
Putin meets Trump this saturday, clear my schedule and prepare the popcorn
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Santafairy Korea (South). Jan 27 2017 19:32. Posts 2233
On January 27 2017 07:26 uiCk wrote:
Sure thing. I guess you defending his behaviour over and over is time well spent!
his behavior = him saying something true about the political landscape?
i have no problem sparing a little time to laugh at the people who are swirling in a vortex of trying to cope with the fact that the wrong person is president because i'm not doing it at the expense of grappling with the actual issues. note the smug anti-intellectualism of "i hate politics" "i'm not american so idgaf"
the problem with you being incapable of thinking about obamacare is you're the person who brought up the quote, and the center of the quote is obamacare. if you want to make a sweeping argument about trump containing 50 armchair psychology diagnoses can you at least dig up a second quote so it doesn't look like you're just making things up as you go
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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NMcNasty United States. Jan 27 2017 20:35. Posts 2039
On January 27 2017 07:26 uiCk wrote:
Sure thing. I guess you defending his behaviour over and over is time well spent!
his behavior = him saying something true about the political landscape?
i have no problem sparing a little time to laugh at the people who are swirling in a vortex of trying to cope with the fact that the wrong person is president because i'm not doing it at the expense of grappling with the actual issues. note the smug anti-intellectualism of "i hate politics" "i'm not american so idgaf"
the problem with you being incapable of thinking about obamacare is you're the person who brought up the quote, and the center of the quote is obamacare. if you want to make a sweeping argument about trump containing 50 armchair psychology diagnoses can you at least dig up a second quote so it doesn't look like you're just making things up as you go
You're missing the point entirely. Obviously Obamacare seeming like a disaster is good for Republicans politically, what Trump was floating was the idea that he let Obamacare "explode" purposefully, during his presidency. He actually wanted to take credit for not purposefully harming America (in his view) in order to score political points.
Trump ABC interview:
here's what I can assure you, we are going to have a better plan, much better health care, much better service treatment, a plan where you can have access to the doctor that you want and the plan that you want. We're gonna have a much better health care plan at much less money.
And remember Obamacare is ready to explode. And you interviewed me a couple of years ago. I said '17 — right now, this year, "'17 is going to be a disaster.” I'm very good at this stuff. "'17 is going to be a disaster cost-wise for Obamacare. It's going to explode in '17.”
And why not? Obama's a smart guy. So let it all come do because that's what's happening. It's all coming due in '17. We're gonna have an explosion. And to do it right, sit back, let it explode and let the Democrats come begging us to help them because it's on them. But I don't wanna do that. I wanna give great health care at a much lower cost.
So of course Trump is some sort of economic genius that has pinpointed to 2017 as the exact year Obamacare "explodes" while he slyly accuses Obama of actually rigging it to explode in the year he leaves office.
And no, Obamacare hasn't exploded, and won't explode. There really isn't a mechanism by which it can explode. Premiums have gone up more than expected but that's hardly anywhere near an explosion. At its core Obamacare is about richer/healthier people helping pay for the coverage of poorer/sicker people. Having more sicker people show up than expected doesn't change anything on a fundamental level. Republicans say the same thing about social security, there's this idea about "collapse" that tons of people swallow, and we somehow simply just won't have social security, but at its core its just younger people helping pay for the expenses of older people and SS in general is little more than a transfer of funds.
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And all that said, what does Trump want to do when he repeals Obamacare? Replace it with a plan that covers everybody.
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