Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 30

On January 27 2017 18:32 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2017 07:26 uiCk wrote: Sure thing. I guess you defending his behaviour over and over is time well spent! his behavior = him saying something true about the political landscape? i have no problem sparing a little time to laugh at the people who are swirling in a vortex of trying to cope with the fact that the wrong person is president because i'm not doing it at the expense of grappling with the actual issues. note the smug anti-intellectualism of "i hate politics" "i'm not american so idgaf" the problem with you being incapable of thinking about obamacare is you're the person who brought up the quote, and the center of the quote is obamacare. if you want to make a sweeping argument about trump containing 50 armchair psychology diagnoses can you at least dig up a second quote so it doesn't look like you're just making things up as you go

You good at spinning things to your benefit. Given what you wrote, as in "bring up another quote", means that you agree the original quote is good example of narcissistic behavior with purpose to manipulate it's audience and want me to double proof my stance of armchair psychologist.
Feelsgoodman

Also why am I not surprised in the least that supposed non-conservative Obama supporter santafairy is against the ACA.

Mexico's Slim says U.S. should focus on manufacturing high-tech and value-added products, not go back to the past

Oh really? Better then making cutlery and t shirts?

Main focus on most economies is to achieve that state, which society focuses on intellectual work and consume of goods. Which in a sense means they wouldn't be the one producing them, cause that would be viewed as "hard" labor.

That being said, pretty obvious that this is still a utopia. It's easy for someone like Slim to make such comments and I'm definitely not supporting Trump's views of bringing back 200 jobs and acting like that amount matters so he can be praised, while he wants to dump billions of dollars on complete stupidity so that people wouldn't be able to call him a populist. Just cause someone sticks with his ideas doesn't mean his ideas aren't retarded and wouldn't have a negative impact.

Funny thing is Theresa May talked with Trump about NATO and Russia. His comments were basically that he stand fully behind NATO and that he would like to have great relationship with Russia. Thats an oxymoron.

I'm wondering if he s not setting up a scenario where he comes out of the talks with Putin " mad " as hell so he can push public opinion on that topic towards himself. It would be the optimal move in his shoes right at this moment, but I guess we ll see tomorrow

On January 27 2017 19:42 uiCk wrote: Show nested quote + On January 27 2017 18:32 Santafairy wrote:   On January 27 2017 07:26 uiCk wrote: Sure thing. I guess you defending his behaviour over and over is time well spent! his behavior = him saying something true about the political landscape? i have no problem sparing a little time to laugh at the people who are swirling in a vortex of trying to cope with the fact that the wrong person is president because i'm not doing it at the expense of grappling with the actual issues. note the smug anti-intellectualism of "i hate politics" "i'm not american so idgaf" the problem with you being incapable of thinking about obamacare is you're the person who brought up the quote, and the center of the quote is obamacare. if you want to make a sweeping argument about trump containing 50 armchair psychology diagnoses can you at least dig up a second quote so it doesn't look like you're just making things up as you go You good at spinning things to your benefit. Given what you wrote, as in "bring up another quote", means that you agree the original quote is good example of narcissistic behavior with purpose to manipulate it's audience and want me to double proof my stance of armchair psychologist. Feelsgoodman

the original quote seems like a true statement but you told me you're sticking your fingers in your ears because that doesn't matter on your planet so i wanted to know if you had, say, a second example to communicate what you're talking about. because what you're saying about trump so far is sounding like "some people exist who can be convinced of things" and i wonder whether you have only just now discovered the world around you, that's politics, flip a coin, one party believes it's heads, the opposition believes it's tails - one of them will be wrong about the coin. so it's hard for me to distinguish trump from all other politicians as a manipulative evil genius, especially since i have to square that with always hearing that he's a bumbling retard

On January 27 2017 19:52 NMcNasty wrote: Also why am I not surprised in the least that supposed non-conservative Obama supporter santafairy is against the ACA.

can i talk to your parents?

On January 26 2017 06:17 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2017 03:54 Baalim wrote:   On January 25 2017 12:13 Spitfiree wrote: Its almost official, Trump wants to build that wall :D lol well you cant deny that he is getting to work like crazy doing exactly what he promised in matter of days damn.... This wall is such a stupid idea, costing billions to build and even more to maintain and all it will do is that coyotes now will carry a longer ladder lol 5000 new borderguards not enough ?

No, the border is over 3,000 KM long...

Its a wall that would go from Spain to Ukraine do you think you can actually stop people from crossing it?

On January 26 2017 21:30 NMcNasty wrote: I mean here are the best wall scenarios ranked from best to worst: 1. The wall was just an empty campaign promise, and Trump never gets around to building it 2. The wall basically doesn't get built at all, but at least some part of it does so Trump gets a photo op (this is what I was expecting) 3. The wall does get built, and Mexico actually pays for it (better for Americans anyway) 4. The wall does get built, but its Americans who pay for it 5. Trump starts a trade war with Mexico over his wall (this is where we are now)

Number 3 cannot happen, the US GDP is about 14 times bigger... so if the wall would cost the US 25 billion it would proportionally cost 25*14 to Mexico, 350 billion... so no, it wont happen.


A Trade war would be awful for both countries, actually the trade deficit with Mexico is tiny, like 16% you have bigger deficits with like half of europe and like 64% with China, so a it would impact a lot on the economy of the US and some stats would really suffer.

Obviously this would be even worse for Mexico it would send the economy spiraling into oblivion and there you will get dozens of millions flooding the wall "War Z" scene style.

Actually on the potential trade war Mexico could easily force Trump back by blocking exports from key products where Senators or key political figures have interests they would pressure Trump to back down.


The danger is that there is a popular guy from the left in Mexico, and he might win the elections with an anti-Trump demagogery, and that would be dangerous AF for both countries, you dont want a Venezuela on the south proxying shit for China or Rusia.

On January 28 2017 01:01 Baalim wrote: Number 3 cannot happen, the US GDP is about 14 times bigger... so if the wall would cost the US 25 billion it would proportionally cost 25*14 to Mexico, 350 billion... so no, it wont happen.

Oh yeah of course, #3 is the most unrealistic option by far.

I have this shred of hope left in humanity that the 20% tariff on Mexican imports isn't going to stick. My understanding is that the president doesn't have the power to legally enforce it without declaring some type of emergency situation (wouldn't put that past Trump of course). So it would be up to Congress, which is Republican controlled of course, but free trade is generally something republicans probably feel even more strongly about than the democrats. But with the rate republicans are falling in line behind Trump you never know.

On January 28 2017 03:56 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2017 01:01 Baalim wrote: Number 3 cannot happen, the US GDP is about 14 times bigger... so if the wall would cost the US 25 billion it would proportionally cost 25*14 to Mexico, 350 billion... so no, it wont happen. Oh yeah of course, #3 is the most unrealistic option by far. I have this shred of hope left in humanity that the 20% tariff on Mexican imports isn't going to stick. My understanding is that the president doesn't have the power to legally enforce it without declaring some type of emergency situation (wouldn't put that past Trump of course). So it would be up to Congress, which is Republican controlled of course, but free trade is generally something republicans probably feel even more strongly about than the democrats. But with the rate republicans are falling in line behind Trump you never know.

I've heard it would break WTO agreements, but I dont know how would the US be punished for that or it it would.

Senators/congressmen only fall in line if they are not directly threatened, but if Mexico puts tariffs on the biggest exports of key states they will rile up against Trump, this requires very precise and well thought plan on Mexico's part and as I mentioned we have elections soon as we have a crazy from the left who would get in power with an anti-trump rethoric and he would probably give the finger to Trump, hurt the US economy and send Mexico to the bronze age Venezuela style.

On January 28 2017 01:01 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 26 2017 21:30 NMcNasty wrote: I mean here are the best wall scenarios ranked from best to worst: 1. The wall was just an empty campaign promise, and Trump never gets around to building it 2. The wall basically doesn't get built at all, but at least some part of it does so Trump gets a photo op (this is what I was expecting) 3. The wall does get built, and Mexico actually pays for it (better for Americans anyway) 4. The wall does get built, but its Americans who pay for it 5. Trump starts a trade war with Mexico over his wall (this is where we are now) Number 3 cannot happen, the US GDP is about 14 times bigger... so if the wall would cost the US 25 billion it would proportionally cost 25*14 to Mexico, 350 billion... so no, it wont happen. A Trade war would be awful for both countries, actually the trade deficit with Mexico is tiny, like 16% you have bigger deficits with like half of europe and like 64% with China, so a it would impact a lot on the economy of the US and some stats would really suffer. Obviously this would be even worse for Mexico it would send the economy spiraling into oblivion and there you will get dozens of millions flooding the wall "War Z" scene style.

A trade war would not be good for both country if the trade helps majority but that is not the case with NAFTA. If you look at economics stats, average Americas have been forgotten and trump has said many times they wont be forgotten agani. America trade policy is horrible for most but helps the top which i think a trade war or protectionist view will help get America better deals.
16% of a deficit is not tiny and of course there are bigger trade problem to solve like eu or china but doesn't mean trump can't get a better deal in Mexico.

I can give you an example where protectionist view will help my bottom line with some poker analogy
If i can only play against canadians instead of all the eastern europeans i will be more fucking rich
how does playing with eastern european help my bottom line, ill give you this, they make me play better though
what good is it if i can't beat the rake, rather be rich and bad than broke and good

On January 28 2017 03:56 NMcNasty wrote: Show nested quote + On January 28 2017 01:01 Baalim wrote: Number 3 cannot happen, the US GDP is about 14 times bigger... so if the wall would cost the US 25 billion it would proportionally cost 25*14 to Mexico, 350 billion... so no, it wont happen. Oh yeah of course, #3 is the most unrealistic option by far. I have this shred of hope left in humanity that the 20% tariff on Mexican imports isn't going to stick. My understanding is that the president doesn't have the power to legally enforce it without declaring some type of emergency situation (wouldn't put that past Trump of course). So it would be up to Congress, which is Republican controlled of course, but free trade is generally something republicans probably feel even more strongly about than the democrats. But with the rate republicans are falling in line behind Trump you never know.

I read trump has the executive powers to do so.

On January 28 2017 07:31 lostaccount wrote: A trade war would not be good for both country if the trade helps majority but that is not the case with NAFTA. If you look at economics stats, average Americas have been forgotten and trump has said many times they wont be forgotten agani. America trade policy is horrible for most but helps the top which i think a trade war or protectionist view will help get America better deals. 16% of a deficit is not tiny and of course there are bigger trade problem to solve like eu or china but doesn't mean trump can't get a better deal in Mexico. I can give you an example where protectionist view will help my bottom line with some poker analogy If i can only play against canadians instead of all the eastern europeans i will be more fucking rich how does playing with eastern european help my bottom line, ill give you this, they make me play better though what good is it if i can't beat the rake, rather be rich and bad than broke and good

Your post game me cancer.... This is not the level of discussion I expect to see in TLPoker ffs.

If you look at economics stats, average Americas have been forgotten and trump has said many times they wont be forgotten agani.

american middle class is doing bad therefore fuck NAFTA... and Trump said americans wont be forgotten again... so yeah!..... this is the kind of shit I would expect a guy from rural alabama to say, come on.

16% Trade deficit IS TINY for fucks sake, you even have a greater deficit with Russia -_- clearly you have no clue what you are talking about, and basically you import commodities and basic products and sell us advanced manufacturing, that is the mercantilist wet dream... we literally sell you OIL, you refine it and we buy it back as gasoline, what kind of idiot would oppose such a deal.


Also NAFTA boosted the Mexican economy reducing immigration and we are at a historic low on people crossing the border.. dump NAFTA, see the US economy suffer and Mexico's go into the toilet and now you will have more illegal immigrants you have ever seen, and no stupid wall will stop it.

Also Trump is not trying to get a better deal, he cancelled a meeting with the Mexican president because he wants him to pay the wall, (an obvious political move for rednecks to cheer on), and now Mexicans are pissed off and the president is in the position that he will either eat his pride, be smart and negotiate or pander to the people and give the finger to Trump.

You dont get good deals when you spit in the face of your partner just before the negotiations.

educate yourself and you will see how clueless you are, you are a victim of the Dunning-Kruger effect

At least you read his post to the end, I stopped at the 2nd quote you made. What Trump is aiming at and I don't know if its consciously or not, but its OPPRESSION for anyone that doesn't support his retarded ideas. Ordering for scientific facts to be removed from the public view and canceling the meeting with Mexican president point to that.

Edit: When I think about it, he s strongly going for the One-Pole geopolitical model in an aggressive manner, hopefully I'm wrong, cause this behaviour always leads to a major war historically

On January 28 2017 10:04 Spitfiree wrote: At least you read his post to the end, I stopped at the 2nd quote you made. What Trump is aiming at and I don't know if its consciously or not, but its OPPRESSION for anyone that doesn't support his retarded ideas. Ordering for scientific facts to be removed from the public view and canceling the meeting with Mexican president point to that. Edit: When I think about it, he s strongly going for the One-Pole geopolitical model in an aggressive manner, hopefully I'm wrong, cause this behaviour always leads to a major war historically

well the good news is that there is nobody to wage war with besides the middle east who... is already at war, hopefully Iran and Pakistan act smart

I mean Trump being president is a disaster and anyone with any knowledge in politics saw this comming. How did he get elected???

On January 29 2017 03:50 Floofy wrote: How did he get elected???

30 pages talking about it buddy

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