Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 300

Sports is a zero sum game if Mike Tyson and Evander Hollyfield didn't exist then Loco and I would be getting all that money and fame

On August 08 2021 17:52 RiKD wrote: Sports/games are exploitation at typically zero-sum games. If Michael Jordan wins the game he gets the money/fame/status that the losers don't get. Michael Jordan is constantly exploiting people. (Not to mention MJ is at least part owner in the Jordan Brand, which is constantly exploiting labor and consumers under neoliberalism capitalism)

what are you even talking about. even the players that lost to Jordan became incredibly wealthy and famous.

On August 08 2021 22:33 Spitfiree wrote: As I said, each individual should only feel responsible for their own decisions and state of mind. .... You do NOT bear any responsibility for anyone else in this world apart from potentially your child for a given period of time.

Those two positions are completely contradictory since everyone's daily decisions affect everyone else in the world. There isn't a single person in the world who isn't at least somewhat responsible for forest fires in California for example. This is an extremely obvious fact that a grade schooler should know.

On August 09 2021 13:12 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On August 08 2021 22:33 Spitfiree wrote: As I said, each individual should only feel responsible for their own decisions and state of mind. .... You do NOT bear any responsibility for anyone else in this world apart from potentially your child for a given period of time. Those two positions are completely contradictory since everyone's daily decisions affect everyone else in the world. There isn't a single person in the world who isn't at least somewhat responsible for forest fires in California for example. This is an extremely obvious fact that a grade schooler should know.

We all bear responsibility when it comes to climate change. I don't see how this is contradicting my position

On August 09 2021 13:56 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2021 13:12 Stroggoz wrote:   On August 08 2021 22:33 Spitfiree wrote: As I said, each individual should only feel responsible for their own decisions and state of mind. .... You do NOT bear any responsibility for anyone else in this world apart from potentially your child for a given period of time. Those two positions are completely contradictory since everyone's daily decisions affect everyone else in the world. There isn't a single person in the world who isn't at least somewhat responsible for forest fires in California for example. This is an extremely obvious fact that a grade schooler should know. We all bear responsibility when it comes to climate change. I don't see how this is contradicting my position

If your responsible for your own decisions it implies your responsible for other people since your decisions affect other people. Maybe im misunderstanding your grammar.

I havent watched Contrapoint's videos lately cuz they are so damn long but I gave it a try to the last one (1h 50m long wtf) and I have to say it's great content, you ppl should watch it.

On August 09 2021 21:09 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On August 09 2021 13:56 Spitfiree wrote:   On August 09 2021 13:12 Stroggoz wrote:   On August 08 2021 22:33 Spitfiree wrote: As I said, each individual should only feel responsible for their own decisions and state of mind. .... You do NOT bear any responsibility for anyone else in this world apart from potentially your child for a given period of time. Those two positions are completely contradictory since everyone's daily decisions affect everyone else in the world. There isn't a single person in the world who isn't at least somewhat responsible for forest fires in California for example. This is an extremely obvious fact that a grade schooler should know. We all bear responsibility when it comes to climate change. I don't see how this is contradicting my position If your responsible for your own decisions it implies your responsible for other people since your decisions affect other people. Maybe im misunderstanding your grammar.

We have the same understanding, but I'm focusing on another topic. RikD suggests that famous people are exploiting others because of their position of power, fame ... whatever, which pictures those people as victims, while they are the ones responsible making famous people famous, cause they spend too much time focusing on them.

The topic of climate change and responsibility is quite tricky in my head, since the most impactful entities are large corporations and while the individual does have some impact, they can't do shit about those corporations.

Even if the main impact was caused by each individual, it would be quite hard to consciously take responsibility for a given event considering that it would be hard to quantify the impact of each person for say a major fire. Think that's why climate activists rather focus on the average CO2 contribution per capita, but that wouldn't really resonate with people in practice. Just thinking out loud here though, haven't spend any time on this topic

My main idea is that people whine a lot and try to justify their poor conditions and blame it on others... and while in many cases that actually might be true (and whining is often healthy) and they did draw out the short straw their lives would have a much better chance of improving if they take responsibility for themselves.

Life is likely compatibilist meaning strong determinist factors with the rest may or may not being free will. My belief is that we have some free will but not in the way most people think about it.

Remember, I an an idiot and a heretic.

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funniest thing i've ever seen

rofl that was good

man andy crushed it!

Anyone following the events in Afghanistan?

How the fuck did the Taliban just run over the country in such a short amount of time. Are they backed by Palestine or Iran or something? This seems so illogical, the amount of planning, logistics and organization it takes to run over all the cities in basically a week, for something that the US government predicted would take 3 months is insane. Also the fun part is the US potentially created a threat much worse than ISIS

On August 15 2021 01:34 Spitfiree wrote: Anyone following the events in Afghanistan? How the fuck did the Taliban just run over the country in such a short amount of time. Are they backed by Palestine or Iran or something? This seems so illogical, the amount of planning, logistics and organization it takes to run over all the cities in basically a week, for something that the US government predicted would take 3 months is insane. Also the fun part is the US potentially created a threat much worse than ISIS

Because for a big chunk if not most of the ppl in Afghanistan the taliban are the freedom fighters at war with invaders, you can see videos of them rolling into Kabul with people cheering in the streets, this obviously also happen within their military, which apparently didn't even try to fight back, they simply gave up and probably joined them too.

This whole thing is weird as fuck. The Taliban instantly gave an amnesty to the entire ex-government and elite and are trying to negotiate for some of them to be in their government. They're claiming to be helping with the extradition of people looking to leave and said that nobody running for their lives both foreigners and Afghans (e.g. people in the airport) shouldn't be scared. Their claims on women sound politically good but most likely fucked in reality - 'will be happy in the Shariat's .. Promising they're looking to work with international forces as well... meaning EU/NA countries shouldn't expect terrorists exploding in squares

The whole thing seems a bit organized, with the Taliban's leader being the dude that the US freed a few years ago and their views suddenly changing by 180 degrees. Might be for the best for everyone (except the women in a Muslim country... )


The US should've honestly made military training mandatory for Afghan women. They wouldn't have forfeited.


@Baal you saw videos of people cheering in the streets because all the normal people started running for their lives or went into the deepest hole they could find until they could get more information. Doubt the majority is Pro-Taliban. Women definitely aren't and I'm guessing neither are a large portion of men

I think all Taliban attacks are secretly sponsored by the government....

Those video's don't mean much, what is more likely is that most people in Afghanistan are apathetic towards politics, and the Taliban are a lesser evil. It would be interesting to see some reliable polls on this. The mainstream media coverage of this is entirely unconcerned with afghan opinion from what I can see. This is because afghans are not human beings, they are unpeople. What is more important is whether Americans favour the war.

The videos would only fortify a person's confirmation bias

No way to have an unbiased, reliable poll when half the population is now subdued and has whatever rights some group of illiterate hillbillies with guns say

On August 18 2021 00:12 Spitfiree wrote: @Baal you saw videos of people cheering in the streets because all the normal people started running for their lives or went into the deepest hole they could find until they could get more information. Doubt the majority is Pro-Taliban. Women definitely aren't and I'm guessing neither are a large portion of men

Well of course not everyone, but many do, and of the group that do not support them not many are willing to fight them as we saw.

Hasan just bought a $3 million house. I think I remember one of the leaders (?) of Black Lives Matter buying a string of real estate when they were all pumped up. What do we make of all of this?

On August 22 2021 00:29 RiKD wrote: Hasan just bought a $3 million house. I think I remember one of the leaders (?) of Black Lives Matter buying a string of real estate when they were all pumped up. What do we make of all of this?

And also the owner of Current Affairs a socialist magazine just fired all his staff that tried to make a union and control the magazine lol.

What do we make of this? They are the embodiment of the reason why the system they preach cannot work, the human nature these clowns think is just learned behaviour actually isn't.