Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 320

On January 10 2022 23:21 Liquid`Drone wrote: I mean it's a pretty comfortable life. I'd much rather work 30 hour weeks with reasonable money than 40+ hour weeks making 33%+ more, and I'd much rather have the drug addicts and lazy jerks get some money so they can scrape by than have them be reliant on crime to get by. Anyway I'm not really commenting on the state of europe or whatever (not like 'europe' is one big homogeneous region, the norwegian sovereign wealth fund is gonna do just fine unless the 'impending collapse' is totally global), just correcting a wrong statement. You could've just said 'almost none' instead of 'not a single one' in bold and it'd be all fine and dandy.

Just saw it from a tweet form an ok source and didn't fact check it, I don't think its relevant since its already the mainstream concept of both economies.

On January 11 2022 17:24 Loco wrote: Doesn't matter how much oil you have, it's about who are your friends and who are your enemies. Look at Venezuela.

of course because Venzuela's economic collapse has nothing to do with the socialist dictatorship you love, its because they aren't friends with the US.

On January 11 2022 21:24 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2022 19:22 Santafairy wrote:   On January 11 2022 09:15 Spitfiree wrote: I don't think people understand how the 'collecting taxpayer money' in Europe works. Literally, nobody will give you money for free if you're an immigrant that doesn't attempt to participate in society. so you think in germany, britain, france, sweden, if an immigrant or refugee can't find work they end up on the streets, or they get kicked right out, or...? is that what i said?

If that's what you said, I wouldn't have had to ask, would I have, you dense fucking clot

What you said has no meaning that's why I pushed you to confront what you're talking about

If by "attempt to participate in society" you mean "say you looked for a job" then yeah immigrants can do that, and also get welfare, which is money for free as if you don't work you can't pay taxes

On January 12 2022 08:27 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 11 2022 17:24 Loco wrote: Doesn't matter how much oil you have, it's about who are your friends and who are your enemies. Look at Venezuela. of course because Venzuela's economic collapse has nothing to do with the socialist dictatorship you love, its because they aren't friends with the US.

perhaps they could dumpster dive in the US? that's in line with socialist principles

"just saw it from a tweet and didn't fact check it"

Story of his life...

Don't we all love to put falsehoods in bold characters?

Immigrants in EU are forced to take language classes and actively seek a job in order to get any kind of welfare. And the welfare they get is nowhere near one giving them a comfortable life, they barely get by. It's not like they come and receive a flat with 5k euro a month and can do whatever the fuck they want.

I can guarantee you that in Germany for every immigrant there is at least 1 Penner. Penners is the german word for somebody that doesn't want to study nor do anything other than live off welfare. They always have a fucking dog cause they used to receive 200euro/month for dogs and the only reason they receive welfare is because they hit the lottery of being a german-born citizen.

They have around 2million asylum seekers as part of the population - that's 2.5% of the country. They'll be just fine

Sweden has a lot of immigrants but almost all of them are highly educated and well needed for the economy. Their biggest issue is with the Eritreans, Somalis, Iraqis and Afganis. I couldn't find how many they are exactly, but around 250k have made it there in the past 4 decades, which again is nothing.

Media in the EU is using immigrants to split the population. There is no real problem with immigrants. Doesn't mean many situations shouldn't have been handled better and politicians are starting to suck immigrant dick, which annoys people though. There is a middle ground, no need to be an extremist policy-wise

I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society

That being said the majority of European countries have 10% to 30% of their population being of immigrant background, but born as natives. Yet media has still done a good job to make people hate them, majority despise immigrants. The ironic part is that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are usually the ones that hate new immigrants the most.

Diem25 is probably the best hope for Euro's atm. It's not heading in a good direction; just like the rest of the world. You can expect those worker rights to be eroded over time if people keep talking about immigrants instead of trying to make Europe into some kind of democratic system.

As for the parasites, Germany was the designated parasite country for Europe after ww2, that was largely how post ww2 planning was set up, in "the Grand Area". Europe was allowed to exploit Africa; as the US needed a strong export market. It's comically hypocritical for these rich European nations to be calling anyone but themselves parasites; particularly when you take into account ecological damages they cause to the rest of the world.

Diems to the rescue

On January 12 2022 18:05 Loco wrote: "just saw it from a tweet and didn't fact check it" Story of his life... Don't we all love to put falsehoods in bold characters?

is it a falsehood though? can'nt find many top 100 marketcap sources, but heres a top 20 and it holds. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-lar...pean-companies-market-134238281.html, and even if there were a couple the point still remains.

Unlike when you said that Maduro wasn't a dictator and that he had a honest face and that México had the best president in the world, should we fact check these assertions?

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: Immigrants in EU are forced to take language classes and actively seek a job in order to get any kind of welfare. And the welfare they get is nowhere near one giving them a comfortable life, they barely get by. It's not like they come and receive a flat with 5k euro a month and can do whatever the fuck they want. I can guarantee you that in Germany for every immigrant there is at least 1 Penner. Penners is the german word for somebody that doesn't want to study nor do anything other than live off welfare. They always have a fucking dog cause they used to receive 200euro/month for dogs and the only reason they receive welfare is because they hit the lottery of being a german-born citizen. They have around 2million asylum seekers as part of the population - that's 2.5% of the country. They'll be just fine Sweden has a lot of immigrants but almost all of them are highly educated and well needed for the economy. Their biggest issue is with the Eritreans, Somalis, Iraqis and Afganis. I couldn't find how many they are exactly, but around 250k have made it there in the past 4 decades, which again is nothing. Media in the EU is using immigrants to split the population. There is no real problem with immigrants. Doesn't mean many situations shouldn't have been handled better and politicians are starting to suck immigrant dick, which annoys people though. There is a middle ground, no need to be an extremist policy-wise I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society That being said the majority of European countries have 10% to 30% of their population being of immigrant background, but born as natives. Yet media has still done a good job to make people hate them, majority despise immigrants. The ironic part is that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are usually the ones that hate new immigrants the most.

Agreed immigration is exploited by both sides, the paranoid right that fuels xenophobia and the left that refuses to acknowledge the challenges of assimilation etc.

Immigration clearly is something a developed country like the US needs and is +EV in theory at least. In practice though there are clearly long term -EV considerations.

To me the problem is that people vote based on identity politics lines way too often. I remember in high-school a Korean dude was running for mayor of my town and all the Korean moms helped campaign /voted for that guy. My town has alot of Indians so there are alot of Indian candidates for school board, chamber of commerce, etc.

If people are going to act like this its incredibly stupid for whites to not be fearful of immigration... and whether you like it or not thats how alot of people currently do behave... I don't think its "paranoid" at all.

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: Immigrants in EU are forced to take language classes and actively seek a job in order to get any kind of welfare. And the welfare they get is nowhere near one giving them a comfortable life, they barely get by. It's not like they come and receive a flat with 5k euro a month and can do whatever the fuck they want.

yeah it's not like they have the comfortable living Loco does doing nothing at google

poor souls have to sell drugs or sex just to make ends meet. let's save more of them.

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: I can guarantee you that in Germany for every immigrant there is at least 1 Penner. Penners is the german word for somebody that doesn't want to study nor do anything other than live off welfare. They always have a fucking dog cause they used to receive 200euro/month for dogs and the only reason they receive welfare is because they hit the lottery of being a german-born citizen.

and?

so it's racial justice to import more penner that are of a variety of skin colors?

or are you surprised that citizens can get welfare from their own countries

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: They have around 2million asylum seekers as part of the population - that's 2.5% of the country. They'll be just fine

that's a lot

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: Sweden has a lot of immigrants but almost all of them are highly educated and well needed for the economy. Their biggest issue is with the Eritreans, Somalis, Iraqis and Afganis. I couldn't find how many they are exactly, but around 250k have made it there in the past 4 decades, which again is nothing.

what are you trying to say? there are 250,000 eritreans, somalis, iraqis, and afghans in sweden? and that's not a lot? in a country of 10 million?
let me use Math to explain why you're an idiot
and it's weird you're volunteering to be an idiot like this by bringing up all these subjects to show what a radical centrist you are when all i asked was explain how, what did you say? trying to participate in society? counts for free money
if 2.5% of your population comes from 4 countries, and for a thought experiment let's say that 2.5% are the only immigrants
if you continued this beautiful trend of loving tolerance and invited the same amount of immigrants from 152 other countries (there are 200 some odd on the planet) your country would be half immigrants, i.e. half not your country
intredasting

you can actively look for jobs all you fucking want, if you never get one or if the jobs don't actually exist for you it's not adding up, your apologism here. 2.5% of population being asylum seekers from countries halfway around the world with no cultural, language, or racial points of commonality. not immigrants. JUST ASYLUM SEEKERS lol

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: Media in the EU is using immigrants to split the population. There is no real problem with immigrants. Doesn't mean many situations shouldn't have been handled better and politicians are starting to suck immigrant dick, which annoys people though. There is a middle ground, no need to be an extremist policy-wise

hi why don't you need to be an extremist if there's no problem with immigrants? why be this radical centrist of middle ground exactly

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society

dumb fucking ignorant racist

On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: That being said the majority of European countries have 10% to 30% of their population being of immigrant background, but born as natives. Yet media has still done a good job to make people hate them, majority despise immigrants. The ironic part is that 1st and 2nd generation immigrants are usually the ones that hate new immigrants the most.

yeah the media's problem is they are too racist and xenophobic against immigrants

On January 14 2022 15:56 Santafairy wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society dumb fucking ignorant racist

hilarious

I'm merely stating facts that are easily confirmable and reported by left-leaning media that is pro-immigrant like https://www.dw.com/en/european-toilets-a-mystery-to-many-refugees/a-19051198
I've also talked to people that worked with asylum seekers firsthand.

As usual, you're projecting your own insecurities onto others.

I'd be racist if I had your point of view which is ' fuck the immigrants'

You have the psychological state of a child, but we already knew that

On January 14 2022 15:22 hiems wrote: Immigration clearly is something a developed country like the US needs and is +EV in theory at least. In practice though there are clearly long term -EV considerations.

Always been funny to me of the anti-immigration policies in the US considering 99.9% of your population is immigrants. Your population density is also among the lowest in the world. I guess it somewhat makes sense culturally since the country was made by people that left everything behind while taking enormous risks to build it, so they made it hard for newcomers to 'join the party' unless they prove themselves

On January 13 2022 21:38 Baalim wrote: Agreed immigration is exploited by both sides, the paranoid right that fuels xenophobia and the left that refuses to acknowledge the challenges of assimilation etc.

Considering how split in opinions the world is I believe there is only one logical side to take if you have to choose.

On January 13 2022 21:28 Baalim wrote: [QUOTE]On January 12 2022 18:05 Loco wrote: "just saw it from a tweet and didn't fact check it" Story of his life... Don't we all love to put falsehoods in bold characters?

is it a falsehood though? can'nt find many top 100 marketcap sources, but heres a top 20 and it holds. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-lar...pean-companies-market-134238281.html, and even if there were a couple the point still remains./QUOTE]
Didn't know Accenture and SAP are European tbh, always assumed they are American. Accenture was the biggest tech company in the world until last year. By 'biggest' I mean the one with most employees and therefore working on a tremendous amount of projects

On January 15 2022 00:20 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2022 15:56 Santafairy wrote:   On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society dumb fucking ignorant racist hilarious I'm merely stating facts that are easily confirmable and reported by left-leaning media that is pro-immigrant like https://www.dw.com/en/european-toilets-a-mystery-to-many-refugees/a-19051198 I've also talked to people that worked with asylum seekers firsthand.

>there's literally no problem with immigrants
>over 1 in 50 people in your country don't know what a toilet is

get back to me when you decide what you believe

On January 15 2022 00:20 Spitfiree wrote: As usual, you're projecting your own insecurities onto others.

not in the evidence here

On January 15 2022 00:20 Spitfiree wrote: I'd be racist if I had your point of view which is ' fuck the immigrants'

OK my psychic university dropout friend

let's take english off the list of - what did you say again - 5 languages that you know?
actually i'll bet a c-note that in none of them is "immigrant" a race

On January 15 2022 00:20 Spitfiree wrote: You have the psychological state of a child, but we already knew that

are you saying i have the ability to perceive basic rhetorical concepts like irony whereas you're a doddering old retard? let's ignore entire interesting part of post except for 4 words and take the opportunity to respond with "no, you" like a mature Spitforfree

every country came from immigrants you fucking ignoramus

you think god planted white people seeds in europe and yellow people seeds in asia and black people seeds in africa and brown people seeds in the subcontinent and red people seeds in america and then watered them until the evil white people decided they wanted the whole forest?

You once again managed to drag me into an argument of extremes, while completely missing the point. I'm impressed. Also I have a Masters, a diploma I can use to wipe my ass with as I'll never use it in practice. Not that I care what you think, but at least to show you that you're clueless as people that think universities matter at this point.

On January 15 2022 11:20 Spitfiree wrote: You once again managed to drag me into an argument of extremes, while completely missing the point. I'm impressed. Also I have a Masters, a diploma I can use to wipe my ass with as I'll never use it in practice. Not that I care what you think, but at least to show you that you're clueless as people that think universities matter at this point.

yes? thank you for volunteering yourself as evidence that postgraduate university education means nothing for someone's actual intelligence?

oh i see
when i called you "psychic university drop out" you think there are real accredited psychic universities and i was accusing you of having paid tuition and dropped out of one, having never completed education past high school

and not that i was calling you an idiot for trying and failing to read my mind* because "fuck the immigrants" is something i've never said nor believe nor even a fitting caricature of what i believe

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what an embarrassingly simple thing for you to so horribly and publicly misunderstand

"I disagree with you, also can you explain X Y and Z because it seems wrong?"
"yOu'Re MiSsInG tHe PoInT"

the point: sign up now and you, too, can be a mere 0.1% of your own country within 400 years just like america. what's the big fuss.

On January 15 2022 00:20 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On January 14 2022 15:56 Santafairy wrote: [QUOTE]On January 12 2022 19:33 Spitfiree wrote: I agree that the 'cultural' difference with Eritreans, Somalis and Afghanis are way too huge for them to be assimilated in European society any time soon. There are people that literally have no idea what a toilet is, it will take at least a few generations for them to be adequate members of society dumb fucking ignorant racist

hilarious

I'm merely stating facts that are easily confirmable and reported by left-leaning media that is pro-immigrant like https://www.dw.com/en/european-toilets-a-mystery-to-many-refugees/a-19051198
I've also talked to people that worked with asylum seekers firsthand.

As usual, you're projecting your own insecurities onto others.

I'd be racist if I had your point of view which is ' fuck the immigrants'

You have the psychological state of a child, but we already knew that

On January 14 2022 15:22 hiems wrote: Immigration clearly is something a developed country like the US needs and is +EV in theory at least. In practice though there are clearly long term -EV considerations.

Always been funny to me of the anti-immigration policies in the US considering 99.9% of your population is immigrants. Your population density is also among the lowest in the world. I guess it somewhat makes sense culturally since the country was made by people that left everything behind while taking enormous risks to build it, so they made it hard for newcomers to 'join the party' unless they prove themselves

On January 13 2022 21:38 Baalim wrote: Agreed immigration is exploited by both sides, the paranoid right that fuels xenophobia and the left that refuses to acknowledge the challenges of assimilation etc.

Considering how split in opinions the world is I believe there is only one logical side to take if you have to choose.

On January 13 2022 21:28 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 12 2022 18:05 Loco wrote: "just saw it from a tweet and didn't fact check it" Story of his life... Don't we all love to put falsehoods in bold characters? is it a falsehood though? can'nt find many top 100 marketcap sources, but heres a top 20 and it holds. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/20-lar...pean-companies-market-134238281.html, and even if there were a couple the point still remains./QUOTE] Didn't know Accenture and SAP are European tbh, always assumed they are American. Accenture was the biggest tech company in the world until last year. By 'biggest' I mean the one with most employees and therefore working on a tremendous amount of projects

the thing that I dont understand about Baal is how he calmly continues talking rationally with spitfiree even going as far as to say he is "intelligent" at one point (at least thats from what I remember).

anyway regarding your points obv santafairy is correct.

also "immigrants" is a large basket and I think the whole point is that there are different classes of immigrant.

trump has spoke highly of immigrants from countries like South Korea, Taiwan, India? IDK what else. You can also make the case that immigrants from European countries like Romania are better suited than other countries of similar economic level.

And its not just about that immigrant staying away from crimes and contributing to society, doing well financially etc. There is a growing trend among Asian immigrants to vote democrat and ruin the country with communism like that dumb Parasite director. As an Asian myself its my obligation as a good citizen to be favor of restricting immgration from these countries if this trend persists. That's not what most people do though, most people are emotional and throw hissy-fits like Loco.

...the sad truth is that alot of immigrants from for example Africa will vote Democrat/communists EVEN IF they succeed economically in the United States.

The guy might be "controversial" but I generally like Jared Taylor from American Renaissance's takes on alot of immigration stuff. He makes things easy to understand and doesn't shy away from anything that other people won't talk about because they are afraid of getting cancelled or being labeled as alt-right. I'm not really going into alot of his views on who has the superior intellect between races...I don't 100% agree with some of the stuff he says but alot of his points on just immigration in general is spot on.

ex. Japan and Mexico regulate their immigration laws but no one says anything about it because they aren't white. alot of points he brings up like that are 100% spot on. white people have a right to defend their rights.

Succeeding financially is why you should vote left in general lmao

No opinion on that topic for the USA though cause you are given an illusion of voting power, while legal corruption aka lobbyism is there and both parties end up doing the same shit. I'm baffled that you guys haven't shot up the entire Washington DC regardless of their party affiliation

On January 15 2022 17:18 Spitfiree wrote: Succeeding financially is why you should vote left in general lmao No opinion on that topic for the USA though cause you are given an illusion of voting power, while legal corruption aka lobbyism is there and both parties end up doing the same shit. I'm baffled that you guys haven't shot up the entire Washington DC regardless of their party affiliation

ZoMG!! So profound LoBbYiSM iS TeH ReAL PoWeR!!! Regular votes don't matter!

....Wow spitfiree is soooo smart...

Like I said before I don't understand how Baal takes u seriously.

Why would u want immigrants from countries who hate white ppl...white privilege this that...white ppl are the boogeyman. Even their offspring that are born in the country and given every opportunity grow to hate whites...