Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 333

Loco something tells me ur gf dumped u lol

yeah organization is a big problem for those with ADHD. With the power of sticky notes and crack this problem can be overcome. Notice that none of the things i was objecting to appear as a "big problem", what i said earlier:

"There's no link between ADHD and any of the things you mention (self obsession, performance driven obsession, status anxiety, and lack of self reflection or interest in philosophy)."

I don't see impulsive behavior listed on those surveys? Driving habits are listed near the bottom? This survey isn't strengthening your argument?? It doesn't really make any sense to me that people with ADHD have more dysfunctional families than other people. It's a very common diagnosis and many do not really need support groups since it's usually not really that severe of a mental illness compared to most illnesses. Many people are able to get a diagnosis for having very mild cases of ADHD.

You can essentially self diagnose yourself for it taking one of those surveys. The psychologist's job consists of checking to see whether you are lying or not, they will make you take a similar survey and see how you answer to check if your bluffing.

^u forgot 2 mention driving while it is snowing lol.

U have 2 be retarded to think getting in an accident while driving in winter conditions means u have adhd.

But then again we are talking about loco who does not even have a car.

Stroggoz does not notice it is snowing either lol. Goes 2 show u that life experience > books.

"The hyperfocus part that might serve you very well when you are studying or playing poker is not serving you very well when you have intimate relationships with others and you can't bring yourself to be interested in what they have to say, since you are hyper-focused on your own thoughts and interests, and patience isn't exactly your top virtue. (I would say your elitist views and lack of patience when it comes to the philosophy you aren't familiar with is a fitting example). "

That's exactly what trained medical professionals tell me all the time. My lack of patience for pretentious Frankfurt schooled philosophers is a clear sign of ADHD. Does this also explain my lack of patience for JP?

"There's also often extreme sensitivity to criticism in those with ADHD which can make other people feel like they are walking on eggshells and constructive criticism not being heard/taken seriously."

I have to reiterate that this false and you've not provided any evidence for this ridiculous statement.

On July 21 2022 19:37 Stroggoz wrote That's exactly what trained medical professionals tell me all the time. My lack of patience for pretentious Frankfurt schooled philosophers is a clear sign of ADHD. Does this also explain my lack of patience for JP?

Trained in what? Most medical professionals are not trained in depth about ADHD. A general practitioner or the average psychiatrist will have a superficial understanding of it, what matters is that they know the drugs that are used for it and the possible interactions. That's what they went to school for. Guess what: they're also not trained in nutrition, or socio-economic issues, even though those things definitely affect your health.

It's not a clear sign of ADHD. Rather, the fact that you have ADHD is helpful to understand your rigidity and lack of patience with things that are out of your ordinary scope. Same thing with having a high score on the autism spectrum - but you have both. You can pigeonhole the "Frankfurt philosophes" and insult them to cast them out of your consciousness but you've done absolutely nothing to convince anyone that this writer has nothing of value to say and would be better left unread.

Someone like Peterson has clear megalomaniacal issues, and he speaks about things that he didn't study constantly for the purposes of becoming more well-known, talked about, and financially profit. He's very clearly addicted to Twitter, and we know what Twitter is about. Byung-Chul Han is exactly the opposite of that; he is dedicated to a life of the mind and staying out of the spotlight. There is nothing remotely similar between the two.

I have to reiterate that this false and you've not provided any evidence for this ridiculous statement.

https://www.additudemag.com/rejection-sensitive-dysphoria-and-adhd/

Feel free to Google RSD ADHD and look for more, this is just the first result.

I don't see impulsive behavior listed on those surveys?

Are you serious right now? It's an ADHD survey that asks partners of people with ADHD how they characterized their behavior. It's not supposed to be a medical description, and it's not supposed to list out the most obvious traits of ADHD, which are impulsivity and emotional dysregulation. These are behaviors or neurological traits, not adjectives to describe a person. Why state the obvious?

Driving habits are listed near the bottom? This survey isn't strengthening your argument??

Near the bottom of a list of issues is still an issue. Put the two "mild" and "big" problem categories and you have 60% who qualify the driving of their partners as being a problem. Is that not significant on its own? How high do you think it is for neurotypicals? I'd imagine 10%-15%. Would that be a big enough gap for you to admit there is a causal relationship between ADHD being overrepresented in driving accidents/incidents? Either way, here's a review of several studies that were done on the topic: https://duiform.weebly.com/uploads/1/...s_of_stimulant_medication_on_dri.pdf.

It concludes:

"In view of the possible pervasive adversities at all levels of driving performance (operational, tactical, and strategic) and the negative driving outcomes that have been demonstrated in adolescents and adults with ADHD, patients with the disorder may be at greater risk for negative driving
outcomes. Using three factors (errors, lapses, and violations), Reimer and colleagues ran regression analyses to explore the
impact of ADHD status, gender, and age on error, lapse, and violation report scores. The results of the analyses indicated
that ADHD status is positively and significantly related to error, lapse, and violation scores (Reimer et al., 2005)."

it's usually not really that severe of a mental illness compared to most illnesses. Many people are able to get a diagnosis for having very mild cases of ADHD.

ADHD is not a "mental illness", it's a neurological disorder that affects executive functioning permanently. Even if it's mild it can wreck havoc because it's even more likely to not be detected/addressed leading to a lifetime of difficulties. For example, you might have an addiction to video games because of the dopamine it gives your deficient brain, and struggle more to quit even when it's no longer really enjoyable. It's a lot easier to justify and persist in something like a gaming addiction than if you were shooting heroin, even if it can damage your life in similar ways.

You can essentially self diagnose yourself for it taking one of those surveys. The psychologist's job consists of checking to see whether you are lying or not, they will make you take a similar survey and see how you answer to check if your bluffing.

The psychologist's job is to help you, nothing else. Surveys can be helpful as a first step but they fail to describe the most important things: how the person really is in their regular life, and how they are perceived by the people around them. The best thing for any kind of diagnosis for personality disorders or neurological disorders is to have insight into a person's life through their partners, family, employers/coworkers, not self-reports. A lot of people go to psychologists and don't talk about their issues because they are unaware of them or don't want to be aware of them. It's more important for them to get validation from the therapist.

I hope you guys realize adhd or whatever isn't even a real thing and its just a bs "generalization" made up by the cult of psychology like I've been preaching for years but u refuse 2 listen.

I remember when I said working is the best thing you can do recovery wise for mental illness such a schizophrenia/bipolar. Loco basically told me to shut up because I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Yet here he goes after reading some subreddit.

On July 21 2022 03:39 Loco wrote: Also my brother is diagnosed with ADHD and this is a perfectly normal driving habit for him at 39 years old

lololol, that reminded me of a very gory scene (warning, very graphic)


https://youtu.be/ECDEt5oojBQ?t=77

On July 23 2022 04:58 CurbStomp2 wrote: I remember when I said working is the best thing you can do recovery wise for mental illness such a schizophrenia/bipolar. Loco basically told me to shut up because I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Yet here he goes after reading some subreddit.

That phrase is meaningless because it depends on the person's situation. Some people's mental health is worse while working because they hate their jobs, or they work too much, or both. Some of them have enough money to be comfortable for a while and don't need to stay at that job they hate, in which case they'd be better off leaving and finding some other work or retiring. Others are extremely poor/having no social interactions while having no job and they aren't studying, so their lives suck but in another way. If you're hearing voices and you're schizo and untreated and unemployed, I doubt the highest priority action for you is to get a job.

I said that I read several books on the topic (written by experts, duh) and I have close relationships with people affected with it, so yes, I can talk with some confidence about the topic. Yes, the subreddit was another way of seeing which issues come up the most and how people cope, and it's very informative. Real people post on reddit, believe it or not.

On July 23 2022 06:52 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On July 21 2022 03:39 Loco wrote: Also my brother is diagnosed with ADHD and this is a perfectly normal driving habit for him at 39 years old lololol, that reminded me of a very gory scene (warning, very graphic) https://youtu.be/ECDEt5oojBQ?t=77

I'd forgotten that scene. I thought you were going to give me some cat-crushing video (I can think of 3 or 4 of them) - thank god it was this one, which is very easy to watch in comparison.

On July 23 2022 07:30 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 23 2022 04:58 CurbStomp2 wrote: I remember when I said working is the best thing you can do recovery wise for mental illness such a schizophrenia/bipolar. Loco basically told me to shut up because I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist. Yet here he goes after reading some subreddit. That phrase is meaningless because it depends on the person's situation. Some people's mental health is worse while working because they hate their jobs, or they work too much, or both. Some of them have enough money to be comfortable for a while and don't need to stay at that job they hate, in which case they'd be better off leaving and finding some other work or retiring. Others are extremely poor/having no social interactions while having no job and they aren't studying, so their lives suck but in another way. If you're hearing voices and you're schizo and untreated and unemployed, I doubt the highest priority action for you is to get a job. I said that I read several books on the topic (written by experts, duh) and I have close relationships with people affected with it, so yes, I can talk with some confidence about the topic. Yes, the subreddit was another way of seeing which issues come up the most and how people cope, and it's very informative. Real people post on reddit, believe it or not.

LOCOLOGIIK

Guys remember Loco is an EXPERT. He has read books.

Experts are people who have extensive knowledge and experience in one particular field. I don't work in that field so by definition I can't be an expert. I am about as knowledgeable as you can get without being an expert, because all of my information is reliably found in their work and it matches with my personal experiences.

On July 23 2022 19:29 Loco wrote: Experts are people who have extensive knowledge and experience in one particular field. I don't work in that field so by definition I can't be an expert. I am about as knowledgeable as you can get without being an expert, because all of my information is reliably found in their work and it matches with my personal experiences.

Lol I feel like I'm talking 2 a brick wall.

Like I said all of psychology is a massive scam so by definition all of these so called experts ur reading r all charlatans lol...and u devote so much of ur life into this scam lmao...and ur not even the pyramid scheme scammer psychologist that makes money off it either ur just ...a random guy that is dumb as f lol

Loco I love u man <3 keep doing you

On July 16 2022 06:58 Baalim wrote: haha I was wondering where did you get those ridiculous numbers so I googled it: https://fortune.com/2021/10/26/bitcoin-electricity-consumption-carbon-footprin/

Just had chance to read your article. The study that they are criticizing estimates an average worldwide cost per kWh of 9.0 cents per transaction, which would be the equivalent of “power for the typical American home for six weeks”. (Direct quote from the article) .The economist then goes on to say the real figure is around 5 cents instead of 9, at most, due to a lot of mining being done in countries where it's cheaper. Let's say it's half, which would be 4.5 cents. That's an equivalent of 3 weeks instead of 6. The data that I gave you which I said was disturbing was in fact a lot more conservative: only 9 days. So unfortunately this article is making my argument a lot stronger. And of course, the fact that it's cheaper in those countries doesn't make it any less carbon-intensive. As a whole bitcoin uses more power than the whole of Sweden in a year.

The article ends with: "Bitcoin was trading between $11,000 to $35,000, yet miners were still avidly powering their racks of ASIC computers to win more coins. Mines would have been shutting down if they’d been faced with paying more in electricity to make their product than they could sell it for."

I'm not sure I buy this argument. I'd imagine most of the miners are not mining for immediate profits. They are mining because they are forward-looking, and believe Bitcoin will reach new heights. They bought the rigs, and are probably emotionally invested too. I remember my ex's father transformed his countryside home into a bitcoin mining farm and he told me he was knowingly mining at a loss.

Doko..

On July 24 2022 20:32 Loco wrote: Show nested quote + On July 16 2022 06:58 Baalim wrote: haha I was wondering where did you get those ridiculous numbers so I googled it: https://fortune.com/2021/10/26/bitcoin-electricity-consumption-carbon-footprin/ Just had chance to read your article. The study that they are criticizing estimates an average worldwide cost per kWh of 9.0 cents per transaction, which would be the equivalent of “power for the typical American home for six weeks”. (Direct quote from the article) .The economist then goes on to say the real figure is around 5 cents instead of 9, at most, due to a lot of mining being done in countries where it's cheaper. Let's say it's half, which would be 4.5 cents. That's an equivalent of 3 weeks instead of 6. The data that I gave you which I said was disturbing was in fact a lot more conservative: only 9 days. So unfortunately this article is making my argument a lot stronger. And of course, the fact that it's cheaper in those countries doesn't make it any less carbon-intensive. As a whole bitcoin uses more power than the whole of Sweden in a year. The article ends with: "Bitcoin was trading between $11,000 to $35,000, yet miners were still avidly powering their racks of ASIC computers to win more coins. Mines would have been shutting down if they’d been faced with paying more in electricity to make their product than they could sell it for." I'm not sure I buy this argument. I'd imagine most of the miners are not mining for immediate profits. They are mining because they are forward-looking, and believe Bitcoin will reach new heights. They bought the rigs, and are probably emotionally invested too. I remember my ex's father transformed his countryside home into a bitcoin mining farm and he told me he was knowingly mining at a loss.

It was your article not mine which is nonsensical since it implies mining at a huge loss which obv isn't true but you think it is.

Mining at a loss to accumulate BTC is stupid since you could simply directly buy BTC and get more that way, this arguments makes literally 0 sense, and apparently your ex-father in law was just as crazy as his daughter lol.

It couldn't be "my article" since I had never read it and the figures it talks about were not the same as mine.

I don't have a good explanation either as to why someone would mine at a loss, unless it relates to taxes. But the point that's relevant is that if you'd build a world economy around it, as libertarians made the case should happen, it'd be a lot worse than it currently is for the climate, even by the most conservative estimates.

On July 25 2022 23:16 Loco wrote: It couldn't be "my article" since I had never read it and the figures it talks about were not the same as mine. I don't have a good explanation either as to why someone would mine at a loss, unless it relates to taxes. But the point that's relevant is that if you'd build a world economy around it, as libertarians made the case should happen, it'd be a lot worse than it currently is for the climate, even by the most conservative estimates.

There isnt a good explanation because it doesnt happen, people don't burn money by mining bitcoin at a loss besides your ex father in law.

BTC energy use and adoption relation is not linear since its scalability its planned to be done in layer 2 which run on PoS and are thousands of times more energy efficient, just like Polygon, Arbitrum, Optimist or the other L2 Ethereum solutions that can run way more tx per second and more cheaply and use the main chain as a beacon for safety.

I'm absolutely ok with it requiring more energy if it means having all the benefits of having a decentralized currrency system, I'm not an anti-growth like you so I'm more concerned about creating more energy cleanly than to try to reduce mankinds consumption of energy.