Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 346

There's a few problems with the legal proceedings against Trump

1. Most people see the whole system as corrupt. Insider trading is basically legalized, an example being Nancy Pelosi's husband buying a bunch of Tesla calls right before Biden mandates federal vehicles to be all-electric. People believe everyone is profiting off the corruption so if only Trump goes down they see it as political targeting

2. Seems pretty obvious that if Trump was not running for President and just went off to Mar-A-Largo then most if not all of the trials would not be happening.

3. The whole country is going to shit at the moment. Crime is spiraling out of control, homelessness, illegal immigration, people can't afford groceries or gas, etc. Asking them to care less about that than say something like Trump making a hush money payment to a porn star many years ago is a big ask.

Trump will be fine. I'm sure it has got to be annoying to get bombarded from all sides but it will only fuel his campaign and quite frankly embolden his supporters. For some reason people think the economy was great under Trump. You are right that "Law and order" against crime and immigration is actually needed but on that claim that may or may not be just a perception too. That's what all this stuff is anyways perception. Joe Biden's connection to his son Hunter's nepo jobs in Ukraine and China I think there is definitely something there but really besides that it seems the right only has videos of Joe sniffing women's hair and other highly cringe scenarios. I think he assaulted that woman too but that's water on the bridge at this point. Joe's whole presidency has bit of a cringey air to it. Trump was fucking up on the job. I don't know what is worse cringe or fucking up. Fuck it. I'm almost already over it and we still have until November....

I am surprised no one is talking about Milei. I know it's Argentinian politics and who has time for that or people are quiet to see if he is fucking up or not.

Milei is not very smart, he’s gonna ruin Argentina

On December 29 2023 22:25 RiKD wrote: I am surprised no one is talking about Milei. I know it's Argentinian politics and who has time for that or people are quiet to see if he is fucking up or not.

He's an Anarcho-capitalist economics professor, so it should be very apparent what he's going to do. There's no need to see if he's going to fuck up or not, when people with the exact same ideas as his already fucked up around 140 countries with their structural adjustment programs. Do people think the 141'st person to try the exact same thing will succeed? Yes they do because most people have no clue what i'm even talking about, and have their minds made up for them by social media algorithms. He's going to do what most of the world went through in the 1980's, or the 1920's, or early 19th century India, or perhaps even 15th century Netherlands. Neoliberalism goes back a long ways.

I'm not necessarily against his idea of dropping the currency to increase exports though. When you look at countries like America, if it simply chose to devalue the dollar by 20%, it would bring back most of the production jobs and basically remove dependency on China for imports. If Trump was actually interested in a trade war with China when he was in power, and making America great again, he would have devalued the US dollar. No one says that though because American politics is pure mental retardation at this point. Same could be said about Biden or anyone else ofc.

One of the mindbogglingly stupid takes these days is that A.I. is gona take people's jobs while also simultaneously ignoring the fact that unemployment rates are basically controlled with a single lever that some central bankers hold.
There's no doubt that the people in charge before this guy were complete peices of shit, but putting a fanatical economist in power after a crisis is the oldest trick in the book. I believe its called the shock doctrine.

Also his decision not to join BRICS is not a good move imo. The third world, sorry, "developing nations", really should be working towards some sort of power block, to protect themselves from more powerful nations. BRICS never really accomplished a thing, but it could do more than nothing if these nations tried. And honestly, just kick Russia out of BRICS.

No way Russia is a key Ally to brics, if anything india should leave

Brics+>g7 brcs+=g7 san india or a small favourite for brcs+

I agree developing nation should join brics+ if they can

On December 29 2023 05:26 RiKD wrote: Trump will be fine. I'm sure it has got to be annoying to get bombarded from all sides but it will only fuel his campaign and quite frankly embolden his supporters. For some reason people think the economy was great under Trump. You are right that "Law and order" against crime and immigration is actually needed but on that claim that may or may not be just a perception too. That's what all this stuff is anyways perception. Joe Biden's connection to his son Hunter's nepo jobs in Ukraine and China I think there is definitely something there but really besides that it seems the right only has videos of Joe sniffing women's hair and other highly cringe scenarios. I think he assaulted that woman too but that's water on the bridge at this point. Joe's whole presidency has bit of a cringey air to it. Trump was fucking up on the job. I don't know what is worse cringe or fucking up. Fuck it. I'm almost already over it and we still have until November....

I think the proper response to someone accusing you of sniffing some women's hair is to say "at least i'm getting some".

On December 30 2023 11:48 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 29 2023 22:25 RiKD wrote: I am surprised no one is talking about Milei. I know it's Argentinian politics and who has time for that or people are quiet to see if he is fucking up or not. He's an Anarcho-capitalist economics professor, so it should be very apparent what he's going to do. There's no need to see if he's going to fuck up or not, when people with the exact same ideas as his already fucked up around 140 countries with their structural adjustment programs. Do people think the 141'st person to try the exact same thing will succeed? Yes they do because most people have no clue what i'm even talking about, and have their minds made up for them by social media algorithms. He's going to do what most of the world went through in the 1980's, or the 1920's, or early 19th century India, or perhaps even 15th century Netherlands. Neoliberalism goes back a long ways. I'm not necessarily against his idea of dropping the currency to increase exports though. When you look at countries like America, if it simply chose to devalue the dollar by 20%, it would bring back most of the production jobs and basically remove dependency on China for imports. If Trump was actually interested in a trade war with China when he was in power, and making America great again, he would have devalued the US dollar. No one says that though because American politics is pure mental retardation at this point. Same could be said about Biden or anyone else ofc. One of the mindbogglingly stupid takes these days is that A.I. is gona take people's jobs while also simultaneously ignoring the fact that unemployment rates are basically controlled with a single lever that some central bankers hold. There's no doubt that the people in charge before this guy were complete peices of shit, but putting a fanatical economist in power after a crisis is the oldest trick in the book. I believe its called the shock doctrine. Also his decision not to join BRICS is not a good move imo. The third world, sorry, "developing nations", really should be working towards some sort of power block, to protect themselves from more powerful nations. BRICS never really accomplished a thing, but it could do more than nothing if these nations tried. And honestly, just kick Russia out of BRICS.

Feels like some sort of conspiracy that all those Chicago School guys won all those Nobel Prizes.

On December 30 2023 13:14 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 29 2023 05:26 RiKD wrote: Trump will be fine. I'm sure it has got to be annoying to get bombarded from all sides but it will only fuel his campaign and quite frankly embolden his supporters. For some reason people think the economy was great under Trump. You are right that "Law and order" against crime and immigration is actually needed but on that claim that may or may not be just a perception too. That's what all this stuff is anyways perception. Joe Biden's connection to his son Hunter's nepo jobs in Ukraine and China I think there is definitely something there but really besides that it seems the right only has videos of Joe sniffing women's hair and other highly cringe scenarios. I think he assaulted that woman too but that's water on the bridge at this point. Joe's whole presidency has bit of a cringey air to it. Trump was fucking up on the job. I don't know what is worse cringe or fucking up. Fuck it. I'm almost already over it and we still have until November.... I think the proper response to someone accusing you of sniffing some women's hair is to say "at least i'm getting some".

hahahaha

On December 30 2023 19:39 RiKD wrote: Show nested quote + On December 30 2023 11:48 Stroggoz wrote:   On December 29 2023 22:25 RiKD wrote: I am surprised no one is talking about Milei. I know it's Argentinian politics and who has time for that or people are quiet to see if he is fucking up or not. He's an Anarcho-capitalist economics professor, so it should be very apparent what he's going to do. There's no need to see if he's going to fuck up or not, when people with the exact same ideas as his already fucked up around 140 countries with their structural adjustment programs. Do people think the 141'st person to try the exact same thing will succeed? Yes they do because most people have no clue what i'm even talking about, and have their minds made up for them by social media algorithms. He's going to do what most of the world went through in the 1980's, or the 1920's, or early 19th century India, or perhaps even 15th century Netherlands. Neoliberalism goes back a long ways. I'm not necessarily against his idea of dropping the currency to increase exports though. When you look at countries like America, if it simply chose to devalue the dollar by 20%, it would bring back most of the production jobs and basically remove dependency on China for imports. If Trump was actually interested in a trade war with China when he was in power, and making America great again, he would have devalued the US dollar. No one says that though because American politics is pure mental retardation at this point. Same could be said about Biden or anyone else ofc. One of the mindbogglingly stupid takes these days is that A.I. is gona take people's jobs while also simultaneously ignoring the fact that unemployment rates are basically controlled with a single lever that some central bankers hold. There's no doubt that the people in charge before this guy were complete peices of shit, but putting a fanatical economist in power after a crisis is the oldest trick in the book. I believe its called the shock doctrine. Also his decision not to join BRICS is not a good move imo. The third world, sorry, "developing nations", really should be working towards some sort of power block, to protect themselves from more powerful nations. BRICS never really accomplished a thing, but it could do more than nothing if these nations tried. And honestly, just kick Russia out of BRICS. Feels like some sort of conspiracy that all those Chicago School guys won all those Nobel Prizes.

It is. You can blame the Swedes for that one. The nobel prize in economics was specifically created in 1969 to reward economist bootlickers.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-economics-nobel-isnt-really-a-nobel/

Everything that's taught in econ101 has some sort of history behind it and when you look into it,
there's usually some sort of distortion behind it and its application, even if the theory makes sense in abstraction.

Like comparative advantage was essentially invented as an argument just as a ploy by Ricardo to increase his business profits.
Crowding out argument was a ploy by elitist economists to crush the labour movement in Italy and Britiain in the 1920's.
It's where a lot of the arguments for austerity originate from.
Most of the Keynesian stuff has gone through generations of being watered down.

You basically cannot get the nobel peace prize if you criticize the US military either, or at least if that's your main thing.

On December 30 2023 11:48 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On December 29 2023 22:25 RiKD wrote: I am surprised no one is talking about Milei. I know it's Argentinian politics and who has time for that or people are quiet to see if he is fucking up or not. He's an Anarcho-capitalist economics professor, so it should be very apparent what he's going to do. There's no need to see if he's going to fuck up or not, when people with the exact same ideas as his already fucked up around 140 countries with their structural adjustment programs. Do people think the 141'st person to try the exact same thing will succeed? Yes they do because most people have no clue what i'm even talking about, and have their minds made up for them by social media algorithms. He's going to do what most of the world went through in the 1980's, or the 1920's, or early 19th century India, or perhaps even 15th century Netherlands. Neoliberalism goes back a long ways. I'm not necessarily against his idea of dropping the currency to increase exports though. When you look at countries like America, if it simply chose to devalue the dollar by 20%, it would bring back most of the production jobs and basically remove dependency on China for imports. If Trump was actually interested in a trade war with China when he was in power, and making America great again, he would have devalued the US dollar. No one says that though because American politics is pure mental retardation at this point. Same could be said about Biden or anyone else ofc. One of the mindbogglingly stupid takes these days is that A.I. is gona take people's jobs while also simultaneously ignoring the fact that unemployment rates are basically controlled with a single lever that some central bankers hold. There's no doubt that the people in charge before this guy were complete peices of shit, but putting a fanatical economist in power after a crisis is the oldest trick in the book. I believe its called the shock doctrine. Also his decision not to join BRICS is not a good move imo. The third world, sorry, "developing nations", really should be working towards some sort of power block, to protect themselves from more powerful nations. BRICS never really accomplished a thing, but it could do more than nothing if these nations tried. And honestly, just kick Russia out of BRICS.

You have no clue what you are talking about, first of all libertarianism =/= neoliberalism at all also Argentina isnt a developing nation, it was among the top 3 richest in the late 19th and early 20th century, that crumbled after being infected with leftwing policies by Peron in the 50s and now its an hypregulated leftist nightmare full of unproductive parasites and it was on the brink of total collapse in the same fashion than Venezuela, just at a slower pace, in fact Argentina is to blame for all the leftist ideology that spread in latinamerica, and so far Milei is doing an amazing job, hopefully if things go well libertarianism can spread in the same way in the continent

I actually agreed with you that it was full of unproductive parasites. Neoliberalism is a watered down version of anarcho capitalism really. There's no debating that Neoliberal policies ravaged most of the world's economies in the 80s and 90s and caused argentina to collapse in 2001. Anarcho capitalism would destroy all of civilization because it doesn't deal with externalities.

The fact that neoliberalism has always failed isn't an argument for stronger version of it. You know Austrian economics is an anti reality discipline right. It's hard coded into their axioms.

I certainly think that the left is largely corrupt cunts when in power and the neoliberals are uncivilized savages who destroy whole economies just like in 2001. As if an anarcho capitalism would be any better?

Wasn't one of the biggest reasons for Argentina's struggles because the IMF gave a corrupt junta in power at the time boatloads of loans and most of the leaders just took that money and put it in off shore bank accounts?

I want to say in some way the CIA was linked as well but I don't remember. Obviously, the junta dissapearing people at will was not good either.

The IMF isn't as gangster as it used to be. It was originally designed to ensure global economic stability at the Bretton woods conference by providing short term loans to countries that desperately needed them.

In the 1970s It changed to become a sort of loan sharking institution of neoliberalism, and started attaching strings to their loans. Adopt these policies or we won't give anything. I dont really know argentina that well but yes, that story is true and its true for alot of countries. Leaders took out loans, got into debt and had to pay it off by adopting neoliberal policies. It's estimated that these structural adjustment programs and debt service cost the world about 400 billion a year.

Since the 2008 crisis, there's been a little bit of reflection in IMF papers about how disastrous their policies were. Remember that its an institution that hires experts to do technical analysis. And some of the people who work there think its a colonialist institution.

In any case. There's no way that a president who calls climate change a socialist lie is gona bring about economic prosperity. I hope I'm wrong.

On January 03 2024 14:23 RiKD wrote: Wasn't one of the biggest reasons for Argentina's struggles because the IMF gave a corrupt junta in power at the time boatloads of loans and most of the leaders just took that money and put it in off shore bank accounts? I want to say in some way the CIA was linked as well but I don't remember. Obviously, the junta dissapearing people at will was not good either.

Operation condor? Most of the power that America has exerted over the south in recent decades has been through economic bargaining power rather than these cia conspiracies imo.

"As far as I know, none but the votaries of monotheistic, that is to say, Jewish religions, look upon suicide as a crime. This is all the more striking, inasmuch as neither in the Old nor in the New Testament is there to be found any prohibition or positive disapproval of it; so that religious teachers are forced to base their condemnation of suicide on philosophical grounds of their own invention. These are so very bad that writers of this kind endeavor to make up for the weakness of their arguments by the strong terms in which they express their abhorrence of the practice; in other words, they declaim against it. They tell us that suicide is the greatest piece of cowardice; that only a madman could be guilty of it; and other insipidities of the same kind; or else they make the nonsensical remark that suicide is wrong; when it is quite obvious that there is nothing in the world to which every man has a more unassailable title than to his own life and person." - Arthur Schopenhauer

The idea of being a "libertarian" while being against the single most important liberty afforded to us by nature is ostensibly ridiculous. Perhaps the most religious feeling of all is the feeling that life is sacred. It's not something you can rationalize - there is literally no argument in its favor. But just like every religious kook out there, Milei is anti-abortion and anti-suicide, because he has a feeling that life is wonderful, and everyone deserves to be stuck in it. Only an insane tyrant would hold these absolutist positions, putting all else aside.

On January 03 2024 19:54 Stroggoz wrote: Show nested quote + On January 03 2024 14:23 RiKD wrote: Wasn't one of the biggest reasons for Argentina's struggles because the IMF gave a corrupt junta in power at the time boatloads of loans and most of the leaders just took that money and put it in off shore bank accounts? I want to say in some way the CIA was linked as well but I don't remember. Obviously, the junta dissapearing people at will was not good either. Operation condor? Most of the power that America has exerted over the south in recent decades has been through economic bargaining power rather than these cia conspiracies imo.

- The Argentine secret service SIDE (Secretaría de Inteligencia del Estado) also cooperated with the DINA in Pinochet's Chile and other South American intelligence agencies. Eight South American nations supported endeavours to eradicate left-leaning groups on the continent, known as Operation Condor, a United States-backed campaign of anti-democratic and political repression and state terror. It is estimated to have caused the deaths of more than 60,000 people. SIDE also trained—for example in the Honduran Lepaterique base—the Nicaraguan Contras who were fighting the Sandinista government there.

- The United States provided military assistance to the junta and, at the start of the Dirty War, Secretary of State Henry Kissinger gave them a "green light" to engage in political repression of real or perceived opponents.[24][25][26]

The U.S. Congress approved a request by the Ford Administration, to grant $50,000,000 in security assistance to the junta. In 1977 and 1978 the United States sold more than $120,000,000 in spare military parts to Argentina, and in 1977 the U.S. Department of Defense granted $700,000 to train 217 Argentine military officers.[27]

- The re-establishment of diplomatic ties allowed for CIA collaboration with the Argentine intelligence service in arming and training the Nicaraguan Contras against the Sandinista government. Argentina also provided security advisors, intelligence training and some material support to forces in Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras to suppress local rebel groups as part of a U.S.-sponsored program called Operation Charly.[30]

My memory was a book The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein but I apologize for just copy and pasting from Wikipedia.

I'm surprised Argentina has such short memories. At least Milei is not dissapearing people yet although I saw a message to the "shit libs," leftists, socialist, communists to get in line and he was carrying a bat.

I don't have a problem with abortion because of rape / incest or any reason really but let's not wait until 24 weeks. The fetus is developed enough to live outside of the womb at that point. It's not as bad as killing a toddler because they are annoying but it's pretty bad.

I agree suicide must be permitted.