On November 09 2016 22:05 LikeASet wrote:
I believe most people's reasons for voting either are probably shallow.
...The election results are making me feel warm inside because I live in California and I'm surrounded by retarded social justice warrior millennials, many of them coming from schools like Berkely, Davis, etc. ...
...Anyways I feel like Trump getting elected is a big FU to social justice warrior culture and an "everyone stop being such pussies" kind of statement...
Idk bud, you might be the shallow one based on this post.
Millennials complaining about other SJW millennials reminds me of how people used to bash "emo kids" back in the day. Great for you man, I hope you found the validation you needed. Meanwhile there are people legitimately concerned for the environment, national surveillance, the supreme court justice seats, and a billion other things. Just people being shallow, I guess.
(For what it's worth I voted for neither HRC or Trump)
I really hoped Trump wouldn't win, but he did and we must respect the office. The election results are a real lesson in empathy. The writing was on the wall during the primaries, Trump had a snowballing, diehard fanbase and the rational left believed people would actually care about stuff like blatant sexual harassment. Fact of the matter is people are willing to look past it when their jobs, livelihood, and identity are on the line.
How the left feels now is exactly how racist nutjobs felt when we elected Obama in 08 - talk about secession, emigration, murder, etc. None of that happened, instead they came out in droves on election day. In 4 years, the left can respond similarly.
I don't remember any riots or violence when Obama was elected. The amount of butthurt hysteria right now is not beyond compare. The media is mostly to blame of course.
Anyway, I'd be happier if Trump were different on certain things, and there is no perfect candidate for anyone, but I'm incredibly happy. As long as we do what the platform says in terms of the domestic agenda by shrinking government - education back to the states, school choice and vouchers, substitute energy independence for the EPA, cut taxes, I'm happy.
Foreign policy is far trickier and I hope Trump just listens to the Generals and follows a coherent strategy. You can't do worse than the Obama Administration, its not be possible.
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jeremy5408 United States. Nov 14 2016 21:15. Posts 122
On November 12 2016 09:27 Baalim wrote:
This video is PERFECT I agree with it 100% every single word:
I'd already posted it on this very page though . Another good one:
sam harris is so abnormally (not a bad thing) calm, collected and rational. i wish i had the control over my message/voice/tone (both online/live) when speaking to other people.
Yep, I thought it was just a front when I first came across him many years ago. I think I interpreted it as patronizing, especially when he clumsily tried to "awaken" the "atheist community" to secular spirituality. But honestly he's won me over with time; he's been tested many times and I think he's authentic. Dude has done a lot of work on himself and certainly has a talent when it comes to communication. He's also one of the few contemporary moralists who didn't hesitate to call himself an hypocrite because he wasn't a vegan and he's openly said he struggled with it but has made progress. It's hard to hate on a guy like that, though it amazes me --and saddens me-- how ill-informed he is on nutrition to have struggled for so long.
you don't find it a bit smug and self serving (and patronizing as you mentioned)? it's a bit ironic since he eludes to it, that the left cared so much more about being "right" and correct and laughing at others for their moronic beliefs. although i enjoy shows like this and john oliver, john stewart, and samantha bee, all the outrage is only shared by other liberals. sam harris just comes across so much more sincere and seems to actually engage in discourse where i feel the above media just starts and ends with a show making fun and silencing the other side.
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NMcNasty United States. Nov 14 2016 22:00. Posts 2039
Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.
I don't remember any riots or violence when Obama was elected.
As far as i remember there were protests when Obama was first elected as well, but I doubt any election will go without protests by some group right after. Too good of an opportunity to miss on publicity there and too many dumb people
The things I read on the web are ridiculous post USA elections, saw an article claiming Obama's thinking about martial law because of the riots post Trump election. And i bet there are people that even believe such things
On November 14 2016 21:00 NMcNasty wrote:
Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.
Well some were celebrating 911 in the Philippines -the day after mind you, in some muslim communities, there weren't thousands though, just probably groups of 10 between 20 but if you added it up, maybe hundreds. There was for a time, in the same said shitholes printed shirts with bin laden's face on it and were selling, kids jokingly chanting about it on the streets, that kind of ruthless shit. Majority of Filipinos were outraged of course, so media didn't cover it anymore for fear of "stereotyping" muslims lol, never mind that those idiots (again, not all of them, but no muslims called them out on it) were laughing at the worst terrorist act in the US. were thousands of innocent lives were killed. It's tough to call out the minority in your group when the moderate majority have zero balls or would rather forego the right thing to do, or maybe just care less
On November 14 2016 21:00 NMcNasty wrote:
Problem is, its almost impossible to seriously engage with people who think Mexico will pay for a wall, global warming is a hoax, Obama isn't American, thousands of Muslims were dancing in the streets after 9/11, etc.. Any kind of discussion of facts just gets met with "liberal media" and the conversation is over.
Half of the country doesn't think that, it sure is the stereotype and there are many of them and they all vote Republican every 4 years, but that is exactly what the left does, categorize them all has ignorant, hateful sexists and white supremacists, they are not, there are many millions of reasonable people who voted Trump who realize Mexico wont pay for a wall, Obama isnt from Kenya etc.
And of course thousands of Muslims in the middle east were dancing in the streets on 9/11 lol, what are you talking about?
The reason why Trump won, not that I like the idea of having him as president too, is this constant apologizing for EVERYTHING. Yeah the guy is an angry old white guy, but to dismiss everything he says as false when clearly a lot of what he says is fact but nobody can talk about it for fear of losing their jobs or being branded as racist shitheads is why people who agreed with him on SOME things used their anonymity via votes to relieve their frustration. Is it the right thing? Probably not, but since democracy should respect that mandate then I don't see why people are crying about.
He's called mexicans a lot of things and called Filipinos savages and a terrorist nation but I don't think Baal and I take offense lol, plainly because some of it, the most important parts is kinda true to some degree.
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v6Tpfm32kD United States. Nov 15 2016 15:31. Posts 7
his appointments to office so far have been dividing the country more
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 15 2016 18:49. Posts 2233
On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.
And of course, Trump's comment that thousands of muslims were dancing in the streets was referring to the streets of New Jersey.
you're like a Scientologist, disconnecting half of the electorate
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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NMcNasty United States. Nov 15 2016 20:58. Posts 2039
On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.
And of course, Trump's comment that thousands of muslims were dancing in the streets was referring to the streets of New Jersey.
you're like a Scientologist, disconnecting half of the electorate
Weird.
I'll just make one more comment about this issue since "they are racist" vs "its only half" isn't really discussion that's going anywhere. A big problem I have with the "the left caused this" is that there was a highly publicized Republican primary. There were no liberals there. Every one of the seventeen candidates railed against Obama, Islamic terror, and political correctness with as much fervor as they could muster. Trump was only around 3% in the polls at that time. He rose to prominence and was specifically chosen by the Republican base because of all his racist lies not in spite of. Its not that he "went where no else dared" because everyone was already there. Trump created a new "going there" by making shit up. Where were the moderates? Kasich and Rubio. Anti-establishment? Rand Paul. Non-politicians? Carson and Fiorina. There were plenty of options to choose from, none of them liberal, and it was the worst that ended up winning.
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Santafairy Korea (South). Nov 15 2016 21:38. Posts 2233
Republican primary voters do not choose the president and not realizing the problems on the left means you're never going to figure out why in this election, which was supposed to be proof that Republicans demographically could never win another election (because fuck whitey), they won at literally every level of government. If you have a political blob that polarizes every issue, calls the other side racist and directly insults the voters, nobody's going to warm up to voting for that. But keep up the "all his racist lies" track because I look forward to his second inauguration.
-Kasich is not a moderate.
-Carson and Fiorina are retarded. You don't want President Carson more than President Trump, what you actually want is President Democrat, and that's why people claim to want nice inoffensive schmucks like Romney or McCain to run, who they pretend to have disagreements with but no existential disrespect for (even though these people will never vote Republican in any universe), so they can get crushed under the steamroller of 16 years of vacuous Daily Show liberalism like a good sport.
-Trump is incidentally the most liberal thing to happen to the GOP in years if you take the blinders off.
It seems to be not very profitable in the long run to play those kind of hands. - Gus Hansen
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jeremy5408 United States. Nov 15 2016 23:00. Posts 122
On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.
And of course, Trump's comment that thousands of muslims were dancing in the streets was referring to the streets of New Jersey.
you're like a Scientologist, disconnecting half of the electorate
Weird.
I'll just make one more comment about this issue since "they are racist" vs "its only half" isn't really discussion that's going anywhere. A big problem I have with the "the left caused this" is that there was a highly publicized Republican primary. There were no liberals there. Every one of the seventeen candidates railed against Obama, Islamic terror, and political correctness with as much fervor as they could muster. Trump was only around 3% in the polls at that time. He rose to prominence and was specifically chosen by the Republican base because of all his racist lies not in spite of. Its not that he "went where no else dared" because everyone was already there. Trump created a new "going there" by making shit up. Where were the moderates? Kasich and Rubio. Anti-establishment? Rand Paul. Non-politicians? Carson and Fiorina. There were plenty of options to choose from, none of them liberal, and it was the worst that ended up winning.
I liked your points in this post. The purge and Lord of the Flies seem less like fiction.
unintendedly hillarious silver lining (?): at least we know the election isn't rigged + Show Spoiler +
which makes me think people in the future will be more inclined to vote. i think this changed something in voter participation for the next few years. millennials (myself included) are constantly berated for not voting, but we didn't grow up through a post cold war generation. we weren't there witnessing and experiencing on a daily basis the power of rations, military factories, vietnam draft, apollo missions affecting your every day lives. we lived in a very real time where government became increasingly polarized, gridlocked and ineffective. i think most of us share the sentiment of "if you're looking for the government to fix your problems, you're already fucked." we live in an era where private companies and private technologists are the ones creating Google, Facebook, SpaceX. Not the era where the government was doing the impossible by sending a man on the moon.
On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.
I am dumbfounded by this statement, I would expect it from some random guy, but this low level of critical thinking coming from a competent poker player from the community is surprising, I will sound extremely patronizing but I think you should take a step back and analyze this maybe you are just throwing the first thing that comes to mind and giving this emotional lines.
Obviously it is silly to think people who support Trump also support all his ideas, in the same way that if you support Hillary I dont think you are for bombing Libya, or Assad and the rebels while also supplying weapons and training para-military groups, I dont assume you support fracking or that you support lobbying from Wall Street or etc.
Thats the reason why I re-posted Locos video, because it is this kind of lazy thinking, caricaturing the opposing view into a bunch of racist, misogynist ignorant rednecks is the exact reason why Trump rose to power and why the right is as strong as ever and will continue to grow on the western civilization, refusing to understand this will only secure Trumps reelection.
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Stroggoz New Zealand. Nov 16 2016 06:10. Posts 5329
americans want change from the harsh neoliberal economic policies that have dominated America since the early 1970's-since nixon broke down the bretton woods system and the banking sector turned to finance and became the core of the economy. I think 'liberals', those who think that they themselves are on the left but have not talked about class politics, but only discussed identity politics or post materialist politics. That is, the politics of race, gay rights and gender equality are deserving a good bit of blame here for the results. The left has to work with trump voters, and to work with them in giving a critical analysis here. the academics and media have largely chosen not to do this and to serve power instead of people.
If you looking at polling, most americans support social democratic policies similar to the ones that Bernie Sanders had. Most americans are about as left-wing in economic policy as Eisenhower who fought a war on poverty (very left wing by todays standards), but they dont get the policies they want.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
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shootair United States. Nov 16 2016 21:26. Posts 430
On November 15 2016 07:41 NMcNasty wrote:
Wow, so portraying Trump supporters as actually believing what Trump has been saying is unfairly stereotyping them. Absolutely incredible.
I am dumbfounded by this statement, I would expect it from some random guy, but this low level of critical thinking coming from a competent poker player from the community is surprising, I will sound extremely patronizing but I think you should take a step back and analyze this maybe you are just throwing the first thing that comes to mind and giving this emotional lines.
Obviously it is silly to think people who support Trump also support all his ideas, in the same way that if you support Hillary I dont think you are for bombing Libya, or Assad and the rebels while also supplying weapons and training para-military groups, I dont assume you support fracking or that you support lobbying from Wall Street or etc.
Thats the reason why I re-posted Locos video, because it is this kind of lazy thinking, caricaturing the opposing view into a bunch of racist, misogynist ignorant rednecks is the exact reason why Trump rose to power and why the right is as strong as ever and will continue to grow on the western civilization, refusing to understand this will only secure Trumps reelection.
This mcnasty guy obv reads too much NY Times, washington post etc...He's forming his opinions based on the BS liberal media. He's opinions are just noise and are shared by a very small, yet very vocal, percentage of the population. No need to worry about such peasants as him
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