Politics thread (USA Elections 2016) - Page 74

Media is all over the place, at this point, I really doubt we will have the full picture given to us. I've first read that he left no note, then I read that he left a note but the police won't release it until they're done with the investigation. I first read that the guy has major gambling debt, then I've read the same things you reported + his house being estimated at 400k as property only.

This seems well planned for some sickening reason, he supposedly even filmed himself during the whole time + had live feed to cameras outside of his room to know if the police have found him yet, so he was bound to shoot until they found him, at which time he would kill himself, as he did. He went in with the intention of killing tons of people and ending his life at the end, at least it seems that way.

On October 04 2017 21:16 Spitfiree wrote: Media is all over the place, at this point, I really doubt we will have the full picture given to us. I've first read that he left no note, then I read that he left a note but the police won't release it until they're done with the investigation. I first read that the guy has major gambling debt, then I've read the same things you reported + his house being estimated at 400k as property only.

The crime scene photos have leaked:



The accusations of a "note" are based off this photo, which is pretty inconclusive imo.

The more I think about this, the more it makes no sense whatsoever.

First, there was a woman that told people "they were all going to die" about an hour before the shootings began. Now obviously this could be just something completely random, however, I've been to shitton of public events with 5k+ people on them, obviously not under the same conditions ( country music) and I've never experienced anything even slightly close to that. There're drunk people, there're drugged people. there re people that almost fuck each other or fight each other, but never have I seen an instance of someone blatantly hinting at something that the crowd will experience a bad time in any way possible.

Second, would a depression driven person take all of these measures to accomplish his plan? There are so many factors - transportation of weapons, hiding them from hotel staff, picking the right room, tearing off the window at 2 locations, setting up cameras undetected etc.

Third, would a psychopath do it the way he did it? Don't psychopaths need actual validation on sight, much like Breivik in Sweden? A psychopath also wouldn't kill himself, he would want to show everyone that he's better than everyone.

I don't think there is any case that is even slightly close to this one ever in history. This makes no sense on so many different levels. I'm really intrigued by the actual motives. It won't be a political statement nor statement of beliefs - that would automatically make him a psychopath and I simply don't think a psychopath would do things that way and even if he did, his suicide would make no sense ( what would make more sense is if cops shot him and covered it up as a suicide - which is absolutely fine by me )

Also could someone give me a single logical explanation of why would this be a false flag. I know that most likely none of you believe it. I simply can't understand the false flag believers either.

There is no motive to fake this, obviously it's in the government's interest if ISIS were behind this, also doing this to legislate guns is insane... people are mostly driven by self-interest, there isnt much money to be made from confiscating weapons, so only nutcases who thinks the state want to take their guns away to control them think this is a false falg, which is ridiculous


Its not depression but deep, deep resentment, its the same reason of school shootings, they are so angry for so long they become murderous, thats why those kids didnt target their bullies or the ones who hurt them, they go for the innocent, they want to inflict upon others the maximum ammount of pain to others

On October 04 2017 20:27 Liquid`Drone wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 11:30 Baalim wrote:   On October 03 2017 12:20 Liquid`Drone wrote: I generally agree that terrorism needs some type of political motivation. But I dunno if all islamic terrorism is that conscious about the whole 'create increased resentment to eventually spur civil war leading to muslims having to pick a side leading to them having to choose the muslim side leading to the establishment of kaliphate'. Like I get that IS leadership is there, but I think a lot of individual muslim terrorists in the west are just as motivated by plain old hatred. And as for this guy, we don't know what was his motivation or if there was motivation. Maybe he's some type of David Gale type of guy who had been diagnosed with alzheimer or a brain tumor and thought he was gonna kill a bunch of people to make a statement on american gun laws before committing the suicide he was going for. Targeting a country festival would make sense then as it hits the pro-gun base. not really saying that is likely or whatever, and it's a little besides the point. The problem is if you start saying that every time there's a white guy shooting up a theater or school or concert, he's just an insane rogue gone wild, but every time a muslim does the same thing he's ideologically or religiously motivated, it's somewhat demonizing of muslims in general. like it normalizes the behavior from the muslim, painting him as 'one of them', while the white guy is ostracized and not considered one of us. In that sense, I'm fine with considering this terrorism because otherwise you really skew the numbers, like almost every significant act of terrorism ends up being cased by muslims but the mass shootings where the culprit was 'just hateful and insane' don't count. If it was just a semantics thing, I wouldn't care, but this kind of stuff is politicized, and then it becomes a natural political battle ground. Mostly though I actually think we shouldn't politicize these events before we even know what's going on. Even though he seems not to have posted a manifesto or left notes or whatever, it might be the case that he had a motive that will be revealed in time. I agree that there is a bias and if its done by muslims it will be "another one" where it could be some deranged man who really wasnt all that political, however given the amount of terrorism done by muslims I think while its obviously biased its not a so unreasonable one, also its not like abortion clinic bombers get a pass, that is clearly religious motivated and terrorism. That being said I disagree that calling this terrorism is good, I think a disctintion between political and religious killing from just mass killing should be made, because the first ones are commited with an ideology behind that should be adressed and discussed, the other one is a different crime, an even worse one but with different talking points and if we dont differentitate the two, perhaps we take a small step forward in equality, but a big one backwards in actually solving these problems I'm totally on board with like Columbine massacre = not terrorism Dylann Roof charleston church shooting = terrorism. Then I think this event is too early to tell because we have no idea what his motivation was.

oh absolutely is too early, but in case he didnt have a political or religions goal, then this isnt terrorism and white privilege isnt the reason.

On October 04 2017 22:31 Spitfiree wrote: The more I think about this, the more it makes no sense whatsoever.

The press conference with the FBI/Sheriff made things even weirder.

The sheriff said outright that they had reason to believe the shooter expected to survive (e,g, he didn't go in with a plan of doing a suicide mission), and heavily implied he had accomplice(s) either in planning or carrying it out.

He also said the guy began "stockpiling" weapons starting last October, which may be a red herring but is also a bit interesting.

The FBI basically just "no comment'd" the entire thing.

I didn't see it backed up in an interview but people on Twitter seem adamant that the guy was recording himself doing the shooting too.

The fact we don't have a motive of any sort yet leads me to believe there is really only two possibilities:

1) It really was completely random.

2) There are other suspects out there and the FBI doesn't want to tip them off.

On October 04 2017 21:31 nolan wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 21:16 Spitfiree wrote: Media is all over the place, at this point, I really doubt we will have the full picture given to us. I've first read that he left no note, then I read that he left a note but the police won't release it until they're done with the investigation. I first read that the guy has major gambling debt, then I've read the same things you reported + his house being estimated at 400k as property only. The crime scene photos have leaked: The accusations of a "note" are based off this photo, which is pretty inconclusive imo.

rofl

I guess "reasonable doubt" is forgotten on liquidpoker

On October 05 2017 20:19 VanDerMeyde wrote: Show nested quote + On October 04 2017 21:31 nolan wrote:   On October 04 2017 21:16 Spitfiree wrote: Media is all over the place, at this point, I really doubt we will have the full picture given to us. I've first read that he left no note, then I read that he left a note but the police won't release it until they're done with the investigation. I first read that the guy has major gambling debt, then I've read the same things you reported + his house being estimated at 400k as property only. The crime scene photos have leaked: The accusations of a "note" are based off this photo, which is pretty inconclusive imo. rofl I guess "reasonable doubt" is forgotten on liquidpoker

what do you mean?

its rasonable that is or not a written note by the killer, there is no way for us to know, its also reasonable that there are more than 1 shooter and the FBI hasnt confirmed for for many potential reasons... or not.

I saw a very convincing video of muzzle coming from the 4th floor, however the building is L shaped so it could be a reflection and more importantly there are no broken windows and Vegas windows never open properly to avoid suicides

If the FBI are not commenting, then the highest probability would be that they are after someone. The money wire is probably a huge lead as well, however regarding the lengths this guy went, I doubt they will trace it to anything meaningful.

Makes no sense to not be a suicide mission though, he was shooting for 70 minutes as far as I understood, I'd understand shooting for 15 and running, but 70 and expecting to live would be just plain retarded.

I mean that picture doesnt prove anything at all

On October 05 2017 21:10 Spitfiree wrote: If the FBI are not commenting, then the highest probability would be that they are after someone. The money wire is probably a huge lead as well, however regarding the lengths this guy went, I doubt they will trace it to anything meaningful. Makes no sense to not be a suicide mission though, he was shooting for 70 minutes as far as I understood, I'd understand shooting for 15 and running, but 70 and expecting to live would be just plain retarded.

Yeah absolutely, also you don't go and kill 50+ people and go back to your normal day to day life and carry that shit on your shoulders for the rest of your life, the only reason they do it its because they are checking out

Katherine W. Schweit, a former senior F.B.I. official, co-wrote a lengthy 2013 F.B.I. study that looked at 160 mass shootings in the United States. The study did not specifically examine motivation, but Ms. Schweit said many of the underlying reasons for the shootings were apparent to investigators. “A jilted lover, race or religion, someone who was fired,” she said. “Other times the motive is more elusive. This isn’t the first guy who seemed to have found a target for his anger who we can’t understand where the anger came from. Anger manifests itself in a lot of different ways.” “I think everyone wants an answer because they are grasping to understand the senselessness of the shooting,” she said. “It reminds me exactly of the conversations we had after 9/11.”

What a dumb thing to say

9/11 was "justified" quite quickly, after all the fake evidence was planted efficiently and beforehand.

On October 05 2017 21:14 VanDerMeyde wrote: I mean that picture doesnt prove anything at all

thats true, just a speculation, for all we know its a list of room service orders he wanted.

to fuel a bit into the conspiracy because why the fuck not lol, a lone sheet of paper next to a suicide after what he did ts far more likely to be a suicide note than anything else

About the note

‘He had written the distance, the elevation he was on, the drop of what his bullet was gonna be for the crowd,’ Officer David Newton said

basically optimizing the amount of casualties

In other events, 350k went out in Barcelona protesting against the retarded referendum and the declaration of independence. That should be enough to shut down the whole charade

edit: my bad apparently they were over a million, considering Catalonia is like 6-7-8 milly overall...

On October 05 2017 01:06 Baalim wrote: There is no motive to fake this, obviously it's in the government's interest if ISIS were behind this, also doing this to legislate guns is insane... people are mostly driven by self-interest, there isnt much money to be made from confiscating weapons, so only nutcases who thinks the state want to take their guns away to control them think this is a false falg, which is ridiculous Its not depression but deep, deep resentment, its the same reason of school shootings, they are so angry for so long they become murderous, thats why those kids didnt target their bullies or the ones who hurt them, they go for the innocent, they want to inflict upon others the maximum ammount of pain to others

Yes there is, they are talking about metal detectors everywhere now.

The dismissal of motive is very rash to me fact remains that it was a country music festival and he knows everyone is a redneck attending. Or it's just a good ol fashioned false flag with some ritual murder that they like to do and make money off.

The thing with false flags is that they are exceptionally risky, thus would rarely be used. They won't just use it for something random and this event doesn't lead to anything other than a gun ban, except no one benefits from that. There s no political or economic gain out of that, at least not one that makes sense right now (unless you'd believe someone s aiming to create a "the handmaid's tale" type of society, which is ridiculous...).

9/11 allowed the US to take over Afghanistan and Iraq aka gaining shittons of oil and becoming the nr1 heroine producer in the world plus officially seizing control over that region.

Furthermore, if it was a false flag there would've been "motive" right away, something should be shoved down the throats of the masses, except in this case there is close to no information. The guy most likely went pure evil mode, that's all.

On October 08 2017 21:30 Spitfiree wrote: The thing with false flags is that they are exceptionally risky, thus would rarely be used. They won't just use it for something random and this event doesn't lead to anything other than a gun ban, except no one benefits from that. There s no political or economic gain out of that, at least not one that makes sense right now (unless you'd believe someone s aiming to create a "the handmaid's tale" type of society, which is ridiculous...). 9/11 allowed the US to take over Afghanistan and Iraq aka gaining shittons of oil and becoming the nr1 heroine producer in the world plus officially seizing control over that region. Furthermore, if it was a false flag there would've been "motive" right away, something should be shoved down the throats of the masses, except in this case there is close to no information. The guy most likely went pure evil mode, that's all.

Yea it could just be that he went busto and something clicked sure but if you look at this closer there are a lot of holes and weirdness. Maybe that happens because you are looking for something though. I don't think it's that risky the entire media is controlled these people are above the law in my opinion and are probably the law. Sociopaths love risk too for the high.

They are saying he made 5 million in 2015 from gambling. He is reported to play video poker wtf games are that good? Oh I don't know found this http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slates...ing_winnings_in_2015_report_says.html

However: Gamblers can report both winnings and losses to the IRS. It's not clear from NBC's report whether the $5 million figure is net or gross winnings. The number might simply tell us that Paddock churned through a lot of money while gambling. And while one could speculate that perhaps this year he had been unlucky and suffered a series of losses, it's been five days since the shooting and no evidence has emerged to suggest Paddock was actually in trouble financially. Nor, of course, is there an obvious causal relationship between having money problems and shooting into a crowd. We're not necessarily any closer to understanding why Paddock committed such an nightmarish act than we were on Sunday night

Good article
https://medium.com/@kurtnimmo/america...o-the-las-vegas-shooting-d0ca580a840c

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-41...mpaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook
is this a joke? :D

tldr:

NK hackers steal US-SK military plans, including a plan for the assassination of Fatman