I just joined a gym now what? - Page 17

I still don't feel like I am desperate enough.

Penn of Penn and Teller ate unseasoned potatoes for like a month or more. That sounds terrible to me.

On November 30 2021 20:32 RiKD wrote: After being sick for more than a week I barely at any bad food. That's a lie but I don't crave fast food like I used to. I went on the Pho diet. I am trying to give an earnest attempt at losing weight. It doesn't feel like I am desperate enough to go full fasting but how would I go about fasting / intermittent fasting? I am also willing to go plant based but probably not all the way. I realize this puts me in a position where I am at risk of re-clicking in the pleasure trap so writing this out I think I need to just go plant based. That's seems very radical to me at this point but if I want to start getting my health back it needs to be done. Occasionally, some chicken or turkey or shrimp or else it might be too tough for me. No idea of a plan to get back into some sort of gym and training at this point.

stop this crap of plant based, jesus, more likely you will do harm to yourself depriving yourself from micronutrients and other necessary stuff for your brain and body to work efficiently

if you want to be healthy all you gotta do is to educate yourself, do a lot of bloodwork to access what is going on with your body and adjust your diet

even the guys on this thread talking about heavy mentals in fish are not even aware that you can do a simple bloodwork to check if you have an issue, and if you have excessive heavy metals you can do certain things to reverse and clear you to be as new again before you get fucked, but NO LET'S STOP ENJOYING SUSHI AND NICE FOODS, LET'S BE MISERABLE AND EAT GRASS FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES SO WE CAN HAVE A LONGER MISERABLE LIFE

main issue is that people don't know how to eat and don't do blood work and then when they have a problem they blame on food groups

I actually got blood work done for the first time in my life basically a month or so ago(never did the whole "yearly check-up with physician thing" )

I realized I don't know how to eat plant based and I have had more blood work done this year than any year in my life.

I'm 6'2'' 255 lbs. It's time I do something about that. Problem is I'm not in a state where I am willing to fast or eat unseasoned potatoes for a month. I was willing to be cold but then I got hypothermia which was kind of scary so I don't want to be cold.

The biggest problem is the sodas and fried food. I dwindle at the edge of the pleasure trap even if I just eat fried chicken and sweet tea once a week. The chances are it won't be once a week and at some point I will be back to an attitude that it doesn't matter. The other issue is as a broke person food has very little hedonic adaptation so I can get a cheap meal for $7 at Taco Bell and enter a state of bliss and then I can get that same cheap meal for dinner and enter a similar state of bliss. Eating fast food solves my life for like 20 min. It is a drug. Now, I went pho life and 0 fast food for 9 days and fast food is gross. That still doesn't mean that eating soup or beans and rice for 5 days straight is not also somewhat gross.

I don't know that much about intermittent fasting. I just wouldn't eat. I was on that crazy keto plan. I was putting butter in my coffee and not eating. I was going for long fasted hikes. I was doing 16 hours no eating and 8 hour eating window. It worked but I don't know what worked.

The point is my life is quite a bit worse at 255 lbs. than it was at potentially my fighting weight at 170 lbs. I'm only 37. My 40s and beyond could be quite a lot worse if I don't figure this thing out and there are chances of even worse outcomes. I am not about survival life over the good life but I already need a cpap as well as copious amounts of drugs.

It's funny last time seeing my gastroenterologist I was fully ready to play the I don't care card and they were able to talk me down from the bridge. Even though I haven't trained once since that appointment and ate Taco Bell yesterday.

It's a mindfuck too since I've gained 50 lbs. since taking seroquel + vraylar. How am I supposed to lose weight on these drugs?

If you are going to eat fast food, maybe just portion control the fast food to whatever a healthy caloric deficit is. There is a difference between eating 4000cal of Mcdonalds and 2500cal or whatever you should be eating. I've succumbed to a cheat meal at Mcdonalds but when I do I try not to stray that far away from my macros.

Also...y ru fat and dumb?

Hard to get less than 1000 cal per meal at McDonald's. Hard not to fire on a Cheesburger Bundle if I am particularly stressed. The more I go to these places the more I am trapped.

I am human, all too human, after all.

Yea that's for sure. Its definitely hard to only get so many calories at McDonalds but you have to find the willpower to do it. My cheat meal ended up being just like 1 Big Mac and 4 piece nuggets. It sucks balls but again, you have to do it...and its better to at least be able to eat that 1 big mac + nuggets than not have a cheat meal at all.

The one thing I'd say is that it is retarded to waste your cheat meal calories on a soda. If its a cheat meal and not a regular thing, I'd rather just get aspartame or whatever BS and go with the diet coke or zero calorie coke or whatever...or better yet a water or coffee...

My other tip for you would probably be to stop being dumb.

Funny thing is you are going to do the opposite of what I tell you so you will get even more fat LOL

Gotta get back to the gym Rik...Weightlifting,Walking,Jiu-Jitso,Crossfit,Muay Thai, Something... Your diet will get better as you'll want to eat cleaner before workouts.

On November 30 2021 21:24 drone666 wrote: Show nested quote + On November 30 2021 20:32 RiKD wrote: After being sick for more than a week I barely at any bad food. That's a lie but I don't crave fast food like I used to. I went on the Pho diet. I am trying to give an earnest attempt at losing weight. It doesn't feel like I am desperate enough to go full fasting but how would I go about fasting / intermittent fasting? I am also willing to go plant based but probably not all the way. I realize this puts me in a position where I am at risk of re-clicking in the pleasure trap so writing this out I think I need to just go plant based. That's seems very radical to me at this point but if I want to start getting my health back it needs to be done. Occasionally, some chicken or turkey or shrimp or else it might be too tough for me. No idea of a plan to get back into some sort of gym and training at this point. stop this crap of plant based, jesus, more likely you will do harm to yourself depriving yourself from micronutrients and other necessary stuff for your brain and body to work efficiently if you want to be healthy all you gotta do is to educate yourself, do a lot of bloodwork to access what is going on with your body and adjust your diet even the guys on this thread talking about heavy mentals in fish are not even aware that you can do a simple bloodwork to check if you have an issue, and if you have excessive heavy metals you can do certain things to reverse and clear you to be as new again before you get fucked, but NO LET'S STOP ENJOYING SUSHI AND NICE FOODS, LET'S BE MISERABLE AND EAT GRASS FOR THE REST OF OUR LIVES SO WE CAN HAVE A LONGER MISERABLE LIFE main issue is that people don't know how to eat and don't do blood work and then when they have a problem they blame on food groups

You realize that plant-based everything exists right? Plant-based "fish", "beef", "chicken"', eggs, etc. This isn't the 60s, that old "vegans eat grass" stereotype is only believed by absolute retarded meatheads. Even Arnold advises people to eat plant-based.

Why are you telling people to educate themselves when you haven't educated yourself in the first place? Every single major health organization has the position that a balanced plant-based diet is extremely healthy. It's alternative health gurus (quacks) and uneducated people with their anecdotes who'll tell you that "you're definitely going to miss out on key nutrients".

I haven't stopped eating sushi in the last 6 years I've been vegan. Do you even know what sushi is? Google it. It is a dish made of sushi rice in a roll, with seafood OR vegetable garnish. Tofu or yam sushi is just as traditional as eating toxic fish is. It's just better for you.

I eat literally everything you eat, with the same pleasure as you, I'm just healthier for it. Maybe you're generally ignorant of these things in Brazil because you don't have a lot of alternatives over there - if so, that's unfortunate.

if you want to be healthy all you gotta do is to educate yourself, do a lot of bloodwork to access what is going on with your body and adjust your diet

This is backwards. You don't wait to develop problems if you want to be healthy. We are living in the information age, we don't need to turn ourselves into guinea pigs. Science has already solved nutrition, we know from a ton of data what is healthier for humans to eat. There is very little individual variability. Doing a ton of ongoing tests means you have problems. If you are eating a clean diet in the first place you will never need to do that, except to satisfy your curiosity.

you are completely wrong and spilling nonsense here loco, I might waste my precious time to answer properly sometime soon, you should stay being arrogant in philosophy, politics or whatever you really understand

the funny thing is that you are the one here that probably read a few books from some scammers and you are the one being ignorant

LOL @ "even Arnold said" hahah

wait for me

The dumb loco strikes again lol

On December 01 2021 04:49 drone666 wrote: you are completely wrong and spilling nonsense here loco, I might waste my precious time to answer properly sometime soon, you should stay being arrogant in philosophy, politics or whatever you really understand the funny thing is that you are the one here that probably read a few books from some scammers and you are the one being ignorant LOL @ "even Arnold said" hahah wait for me

All this non-sense when a quick googling can tell you that Arnold is vegan

And it's true, there is no reason for us to eat meat anymore.

I don't know what the numbers say about milk products but from my experience, some plant-based 'cheeses' are quite nice but far from being able to replace the real thing. Also wish I actually enjoyed tofu, but that shit tastes so bad. The meat in NA is of such poor quality too, it's worse than in my country... and I've almost stopped eating meat cause the meat here is terrible.

I understand why people in West Europe wouldn't give it up though as they have high standards for meat in the markets and their salmon didn't grow up in a swamp.

On December 01 2021 08:41 Spitfiree wrote: Show nested quote + On December 01 2021 04:49 drone666 wrote: you are completely wrong and spilling nonsense here loco, I might waste my precious time to answer properly sometime soon, you should stay being arrogant in philosophy, politics or whatever you really understand the funny thing is that you are the one here that probably read a few books from some scammers and you are the one being ignorant LOL @ "even Arnold said" hahah wait for me All this non-sense when a quick googling can tell you that Arnold is vegan And it's true, there is no reason for us to eat meat anymore. I don't know what the numbers say about milk products but from my experience, some plant-based 'cheeses' are quite nice but far from being able to replace the real thing. Also wish I actually enjoyed tofu, but that shit tastes so bad. The meat in NA is of such poor quality too, it's worse than in my country... and I've almost stopped eating meat cause the meat here is terrible. I understand why people in West Europe wouldn't give it up though as they have high standards for meat in the markets and their salmon didn't grow up in a swamp.

"gosh a simple google search will you show u arnold is vegan!!"

lol... u r seriously very dumb.

On November 30 2021 23:18 hiems wrote: Yea that's for sure. Its definitely hard to only get so many calories at McDonalds but you have to find the willpower to do it. My cheat meal ended up being just like 1 Big Mac and 4 piece nuggets. It sucks balls but again, you have to do it...and its better to at least be able to eat that 1 big mac + nuggets than not have a cheat meal at all. The one thing I'd say is that it is retarded to waste your cheat meal calories on a soda. If its a cheat meal and not a regular thing, I'd rather just get aspartame or whatever BS and go with the diet coke or zero calorie coke or whatever...or better yet a water or coffee... My other tip for you would probably be to stop being dumb.

There should be no cheat meals for me. I should keep clean food at the house to eat or prepare. I suppose in a pinch it is better to pick up a small rather than a supersized. McDonald's is trash but I hold a nostalgia for it.

Sardegnian soup > beans and rice > avocado toast > pb & j > croque monsieur > small fast food > supersized fast food

Seems simple enough for lunch. Fast food should be cut completely.

What I am going to miss though is tonight's spontaneous dinner. I am surprised that we are going to a French restaurant. I can't help myself. I am not going to eat like 2 salads. No, I am going in on the escargoe, the fucking Parisian style gnocchi, and the fucking out of this world creme brule. The high is different to even a croque monsieur at lunch although in the big picture the high is not that much more substantial then eating the 5th bowl of Sardegnian soup? I would be lying to myself if I believed that. A 5 course meal at a great French restaurant is so much better (how much better exactly?) than the 10th bowl of Sardegnian soup in 5 days. Not only do I need to cut out fast food I probably need to cut out great French restaurants. If I don't cut out a lot I will just revert back to getting fatter which is just not wise in any way at this point.

I would eat as many 5- course French meals as I could. Plus your body needs "Bulk" to build muscle upon.

On December 01 2021 04:49 drone666 wrote: you are completely wrong and spilling nonsense here loco, I might waste my precious time to answer properly sometime soon, you should stay being arrogant in philosophy, politics or whatever you really understand the funny thing is that you are the one here that probably read a few books from some scammers and you are the one being ignorant LOL @ "even Arnold said" hahah wait for me

My knowledge of philosophy and politics is seriously mediocre compared to my knowledge of nutrition, which I have studied personally as a passion and formally through university. You spill such ridiculous clichés that the chances that you know more about nutrition than me are basically 0.

I say "even Arnold" because he was the poster boy for meatheads for a really long time. He was famous for his movie line, "you hit like a vegetarian". But even he, since he isn't complete retard, couldn't deny the science that supports plant-based eating, and he maintains a really good physique into old age, unlike a lot of the past meatheads who didn't transfer to a plant-based diet. Since he is in a position of authority, he can't afford the irresponsibility of being wrong about this kind of thing. You can, since you are a nobody, and you're only hurting yourself, which is totally fine. Don't waste your time embarrassing yourself with more clichés and cherry-picked studies.

Also, obligatory Clarence video repost (just one of the many vegans who is stronger and healthier than you buddy):

saying "even Arnold said" is equivalent to say "even Doyle Brunson said" saying something about Linus or other top poker player nowadays, you can't tricky me pretending that you know what you are talking about on this subject lol, you already showed how ignorant you are and there's no turning back, if nutrition is what you understand the most, then I suggest everyone on this site to ignore whatever you have to say about anything, you are a farce

and Arnold was a bodybuilder, not even a reference in nutrition

posting a person who is stronger than me and is vegan is completely stupid, I don't even think I need to explain this to the dumbest I know, same as the Arnold thing, so seems like you are not even aware of the most obvious flaws in what you are trying to rationalize, I imagine the same logic would apply to your study researching skills so it wouldn't be me who would be cherry picking studies

when I have time I will quote and explain every nonsense you posted in the last posts

I have seen 2 gastroenterologists that suggested plant based diets. Unlike general practitioners who generally don't have a clue and are wishy washy on what to do besides "stop drinking soda" the specialists were very firm and exact in what to do.

On December 02 2021 03:18 Loco wrote: My knowledge of philosophy and politics is seriously mediocre