UFC 220: Miocic vs. Ngannou - Page 2

despite the loss, ngannou is a very scary sob

Easy to say that AFTER the fight, but i kinda expected this to happen.
Stipe has better cardio, better wrestling, better ground game. He's the much more well rounded athelete.

Ngannou mostly only has his insane power, but Stipe isn't known to be chinny or to get caught a lot.
So i kinda expected a scary Nganou round 1 followed by a "mark huntish" carnage for 5 rounds by Stipe.

That being said, Ngannou still has a lot of room for improvement and he's still young. He can be a champion one day maybe. He's an amazing athelete, he just needs to learn proper wrestling and ground game.

yeah. he ate all his words though. after all that talk he had nothing on stipe. NOTHING.

On January 21 2018 07:28 lucky331 wrote: yeah. he ate all his words though. after all that talk he had nothing on stipe. NOTHING.

That's true for the last 4 rounds. But first round was kinda competitive.I think some guys might have gone to sleep after those shots Miocic took. I personally saw some terror in Stipe's eyes after he tastes the dark fist. But once Ngannou gasses he was useless.

competitive? I dont know how Ngannou survived 1st round, Stipe landed pretty much every shot and put him down twice, Ngannou jsut has a really strong chin ... Stipe is so quick for a HW and the division is pretty much cleaned out now

yep. stipe owned ngannou.

On January 21 2018 05:16 Baalim wrote: i think those crucifix stoppages are bullshit, sure he cant defend himself cuz they are literally holding their arms but those baby punches aren't doing shit

I disagree, yeah they aren't fight ending punches like you say, but the main reason they aren't is because you aren't allowed to strike to the back of the head... I feel like the implied awfulness of being in that position should count for something.

On January 21 2018 10:23 Spitfiree wrote: competitive? I dont know how Ngannou survived 1st round, Stipe landed pretty much every shot and put him down twice, Ngannou jsut has a really strong chin ... Stipe is so quick for a HW and the division is pretty much cleaned out now

I might need to watch it again but its now how i remember first round.

SS are 16 to 15 in favor of Stipe, but i think Nganou landed some nice shots in that round.
But there is no discussion possible for the other 4 rounds, Nganou got dominated in those rounds.

Btw i'm not saying i don't give round 1 to Miocic. I do. I'm just saying i think it was a competitive round.

He landed a very big right hand right under Stipe's left eye and then he had one more really good shot, but the others were just w/e point takers, while Stipe was throwing pretty decent combos, dodging insane amount, managed to get out of any tight spot and put out a few bombs that would've probably KOd a good amount of other HWs , think the final stats for R1 was 20-17 SS in favor of Stipe. To be fair probably 90% of the damage on Stipe's face are from R1

If we compare the 1st to the other 4 then yeah, I agree that's the one round where there was competition from Ngannou, other rounds were just him surviving and hoping for a hail mary.

what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low.

On January 22 2018 07:40 lucky331 wrote: what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low.

he is drawing dead vs Cain bu the has out vs Werdum, but given how not even a K1 champ or a solid technical striker like Stipe can comfortably trade with him without takedown threats I think his path of training should be very clear, wrestling and more wrestling for the next few years

On January 22 2018 07:40 lucky331 wrote: what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low.

I don't think UFC will give him a top guy like this right away.

It makes no sense for Nganou to get a rematch with Stipe before he wins at least 2-3 more fights.
So imo, smart move for UFC is to first give him a reasonably big name, but which he should win easily.
I think if i was the UFC, i would make him face Travis Brown.

Or for the lulz, make him face Struve, since Struve beat Stipe

On January 23 2018 02:43 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 22 2018 07:40 lucky331 wrote: what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low. he is drawing dead vs Cain bu the has out vs Werdum, but given how not even a K1 champ or a solid technical striker like Stipe can comfortably trade with him without takedown threats I think his path of training should be very clear, wrestling and more wrestling for the next few years

What if Ngannou practiced takedowns exclusively? Imagine him having and maintaining top control. I can only imagine bad things for whoever falls under the wet blanket that is Ngannou.

On January 24 2018 19:22 cariadon wrote: Show nested quote + On January 23 2018 02:43 Baalim wrote:   On January 22 2018 07:40 lucky331 wrote: what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low. he is drawing dead vs Cain bu the has out vs Werdum, but given how not even a K1 champ or a solid technical striker like Stipe can comfortably trade with him without takedown threats I think his path of training should be very clear, wrestling and more wrestling for the next few years What if Ngannou practiced takedowns exclusively? Imagine him having and maintaining top control. I can only imagine bad things for whoever falls under the wet blanket that is Ngannou.

indeed someone his size should be more dangerous as a wrestler than a striker

2 years from now. AND THE NEW...

On January 25 2018 06:34 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On January 24 2018 19:22 cariadon wrote:   On January 23 2018 02:43 Baalim wrote:   On January 22 2018 07:40 lucky331 wrote: what's next for ngannou? werdum, cain? i think he'll lose to those two as well. his fight IQ is so so low. he is drawing dead vs Cain bu the has out vs Werdum, but given how not even a K1 champ or a solid technical striker like Stipe can comfortably trade with him without takedown threats I think his path of training should be very clear, wrestling and more wrestling for the next few years What if Ngannou practiced takedowns exclusively? Imagine him having and maintaining top control. I can only imagine bad things for whoever falls under the wet blanket that is Ngannou. indeed someone his size should be more dangerous as a wrestler than a striker

I actually disagree with you guys.

Ngannou's big strenght is his insane KO power and good striking. In that fight, the main thing that held him back was his cardio and his poor TD defense.
I don't think its realistic to expect Ngannou to be the next DC. He clearly isn't that good at wrestling. But simply reaching a level where people can't abuse him with TDs like Miocic did sounds realistic to me.

If Ngannou can improve his cardio and his TD defense i think hes a real threat to the HW division.

Also, i feel like people are being result oriented. Yes Stipe won. But if they fought this same fight 100 times, i doubt Stipe wins them all. If you look at round 1, Ngannou landed some really good shots that probably would have sent most people to sleep.
People are kinda under estimating Nganou now because of how hard he got owned round 2+. But nobody expected Ngannou to win this by decision. Its pretty obvious to me Nganou was either going to get an early KO or get grinded to a UD. The later happened since Miocic's chin held up.

His cardio problems are because of his size (also his KO power comes from it).

You cannot improve his cardio if he is that big, remember Ubereem 1 round cardio? now he has cardio but because he is half his former size.

When we say he should focus on wrestling we dont mean that he will turn into DC, he is 30+ he cant get at that level ever, but to get to a level where he can control other men and force the fight where he wants it, and also take people down for GnP with his massive hands and slowdown a fight if neccesary.