Game of Thrones: Season 8 - Page 10

On May 07 2019 16:23 Zografa wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote: Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here. Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return? Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol.

There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it.

But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out.

I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this.

i absolutely diagree that its out of Cersei's character to try to kill them there, just simply killing the dragon would have a huge impact on her winning odds and even if she decides not to... why on earth would you give her the opportunity to do it?

I know these are just details, if they standed further back she couldn't have seen or heard Missandei so the scene loses impact, but instead of trying to come up with a coherent way to do it they just choose cool scenes over anything else, they are willing to change Cerseis character (deciding not killing them) just for the sake a stupid scene instead of going through the trouble of actually using their brains.

On May 07 2019 17:34 Spitfiree wrote: It made no sense, they should've just slaughtered all of them. OR Missandei should've been released Releasing Missandei would've been the most +EV move for Cersei, cause she could spread the news and show the people she's not the bad guy and paint Daenerys in a even worse manner. They didn't accomplish anything by killing Missandei other than taking away the hottest chick in the series

it would be dumb to either release or execute Missandei. They are a hostage, and are of some value. Also she is a very intelligent person and could be useful to cersei. Remember how dumb it was when joffrey executed ned? He almost lost the war doing that. Missendei isn't as valuableas ned, but it's the same principle.

I also don't really understand why cersei didn't just kill them all right there and win the war, usually these meetings u have both sides vulnerable so it doesn't happen. cersei has archers and a giant wall to hide behind.

anyone notice the starbucks cup in last episode?

Minor Spoiler for next episode
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On May 08 2019 07:21 Spitfiree wrote: Minor Spoiler for next episode + Show Spoiler + Apparently Gendry will prepare a valerian steel armour for the last dragon.... considering Valerian Steel comes from dragon scale they are literally saying the dragon's skin is thick enough to stop the fucking ballista... but apparently now that Gendry does it it is stronger????? What a bunch of bullshit

nowhere in the show is that mentioned, even so though if you make a metallic alloy, it's supposed to be stronger than the sum of it's parts. and putting armor on a dragon is a very good strategy. If nothing else it is at least as good as having 2 layers of skin.

Here are spoilers for the last 2 episodes:
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Well allthough that spoiler guys claim to have nailed it every episode in fact they were wrong in some points in many of the previous episodes.

Its more like a good guess based on some insider information than a real spoiler.

Many of the things spoilerd in the freefolk spoilers did come true
some did not.

For example longer ago it was spoilerd

"Missandei gets her head cut off execution style and Gold Company takes out on of Dany's Dragons"

turns out like i said before
"Its more like a good guess based on some insider information than a real spoiler."


I would find a dragon armour ridiculous for 2 reasons.

1.) Dragons allready natural have incredible thick and good armour.
It just feels wrong to put armour on a beast that has the strongest natural armour anyways.
Feels like putting leather armour on a stonegolem

2.) To get the amount of valyrian steel and the timeframe to forge such a gigantic armour for a dragon that does not hinder his movement nor flying ability too much would take years ?
There is only very few valyrian steel in the GoT world (basically only swords and daggers of the High Lords + some valyrian armour in a rarity that probably is like 3-4 in the whole world)
So dont tell me they just magically get like 1000 Kilo of valyrian steel and Gendry does a 24h crunch smithing to get a dragon armour ready ?


Concerning the possible Jamie capturing

I wasnt aware they see him as a traitor ?
I mean he did ride away from Winterfell but how do the troops of Cersei know what he plans ?
Even we dont know what his goals are.
Maybe he comes to help them ?

On May 08 2019 01:09 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 07 2019 16:23 Zografa wrote:   On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote: Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here. Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return? Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol. There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it. But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out. I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this.

Oh, wow i considered your first post a joke

Well i just think the way they showed those scenes makes no sense at all, at least to me - screenwriting is very bad.

Firstly lets see who Cersei really is? She is a Lannister. The Lannister family that plotted to murder Robbert Barateon(wine) and Ned Stark(LF and golden cloaks) AND the same family that stabbed the last Targaryen king in the back while being sworn to protect him(hi Jaime but more importantly hi Tywin who already had his master plan working before even Jaime got involved). They organized the Red Wedding. A very similar meeting just one season ago Tyrion said that Danny needs to bring her whole army so Cersei dosnt do anything stupid.

And now Danny goes with a single dragon and few hundreds(we actually saw just 100) of unsullied and u are telling me that she gives a fuck about "parley" that is an execution scene? I dont see any risk i see just gains in this - the war is unavoidable, the people already hate Cersei. Why not try to slaughter at least the living force that Danny had with her even if they cant kill the dragon? I mean i keep on searching for logic in those scenes that make absolutely no fucking sense.

About Danny going "mad" - she is not mad as in Mad King... she is losing everything and everyone its more like a desperation but not madness. I dont know why people still call that "MAD". Also how come she is a brutal tyrant, wtf? Why dont u use the same wording for Cersei, lol? Just do a quick review of what is done by whom and tell me who is mad and brutal tyrant :D They build Danny's character 8 seasons just to get butchered in 90 minutes of totally retarded plot writing. Same as the NK - a character and a story you build for 70 hours of tv show to get 15 minutes of slow motion walking to a lame death scene.

It is just pity that this show had everything, i mean even the actors are doing great job right now(it was not the case when the show started). The costumes, the visuals, the CGI, the audio, acting, etc... everything is good, great or above average BUT the writing... and it happens that this is the most important shit in the show. I mean im not watching GoT because of CGI... if i want to see CGI ill go see Avengers or some shit.

I love the show, i love the whole GOT/ASOIF universe. I even try to watch the episodes and enjoy them as much as i can(doing Tony Robbins shit while watching lol focus on the positive stuff...:D)). I am invested in this story and i want to get satisfying ending in terms of quality. And so far we got 4 out of 6 episodes where the best one is actually episode 2. I think those are the 4 worst episodes in a row in terms of average quality the show ever had.

About the Gendry makes valyrian steel armor plot:

i think its possible - they are at Dragonstone - you have plenty of dragonglass there, you have a dragon that breaths fire and steel is not considered a problem at all. So you have Gendry - experienced blacksmith that got trained by one of the few older blacksmiths who actually worked on valyrian steel and all the ingredients(well almost all - the one part that is missing is the magic - it is known that there is magic involved and also maybe blood magic). Euron doing that crazy face in the trailer also can be a hint for this.

P.s Fun fact - Euron Greyjoy is the only person known in the books to own a valyrian steel armor

You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel !
You only need magic for creating it

On May 08 2019 09:31 PplusAD wrote: You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel ! You only need magic for creating it

I agree, where do u get that amount of valyrian steel to reforge it to a dragon armor?

No armor. Gendry will equip sidewinder missles on Drogon's wings with the help of Ser Davos.

On May 08 2019 09:32 Zografa wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2019 09:31 PplusAD wrote: You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel ! You only need magic for creating it I agree, where do u get that amount of valyrian steel to reforge it to a dragon armor?

See my post #187



Its not possible unless you have many years of time.,...
they would basically need every weapon and armour of every noble house
and even then its probbaly hardly enough for a whole dragon armour

On May 08 2019 12:56 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2019 09:32 Zografa wrote:   On May 08 2019 09:31 PplusAD wrote: You dont need magic for reforging valyrian steel ! You only need magic for creating it I agree, where do u get that amount of valyrian steel to reforge it to a dragon armor? See my post #187 Its not possible unless you have many years of time.,... they would basically need every weapon and armour of every noble house and even then its probbaly hardly enough for a whole dragon armour

This is why i think if true this will be more like Gendry creating it with what they have, not reforging old stuff. However if true it will be ultra rushed and not explained at all... it will be like:
Danny:
-Oh come Gendry, lord of the Stormlands(how convenient i just made you) i need you to do this for me(like he did that Arya spear) - this is valyrian steel armor - here is dragon glass, here is steel and here are the keys to my dragon, now go fucking do it so i can prepare myself for full berserk mode on those civilians in KL, so my incest-lover could kill me and GoT fans think its justified.

On May 08 2019 09:02 Zografa wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2019 01:09 Daut wrote:   On May 07 2019 16:23 Zografa wrote:   On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote: Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here. Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return? Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol. There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it. But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out. I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this. Oh, wow i considered your first post a joke Well i just think the way they showed those scenes makes no sense at all, at least to me - screenwriting is very bad. Firstly lets see who Cersei really is? She is a Lannister. The Lannister family that plotted to murder Robbert Barateon(wine) and Ned Stark(LF and golden cloaks) AND the same family that stabbed the last Targaryen king in the back while being sworn to protect him(hi Jaime but more importantly hi Tywin who already had his master plan working before even Jaime got involved). They organized the Red Wedding. A very similar meeting just one season ago Tyrion said that Danny needs to bring her whole army so Cersei dosnt do anything stupid. And now Danny goes with a single dragon and few hundreds(we actually saw just 100) of unsullied and u are telling me that she gives a fuck about "parley" that is an execution scene? I dont see any risk i see just gains in this - the war is unavoidable, the people already hate Cersei. Why not try to slaughter at least the living force that Danny had with her even if they cant kill the dragon? I mean i keep on searching for logic in those scenes that make absolutely no fucking sense. About Danny going "mad" - she is not mad as in Mad King... she is losing everything and everyone its more like a desperation but not madness. I dont know why people still call that "MAD". Also how come she is a brutal tyrant, wtf? Why dont u use the same wording for Cersei, lol? Just do a quick review of what is done by whom and tell me who is mad and brutal tyrant :D They build Danny's character 8 seasons just to get butchered in 90 minutes of totally retarded plot writing. Same as the NK - a character and a story you build for 70 hours of tv show to get 15 minutes of slow motion walking to a lame death scene. It is just pity that this show had everything, i mean even the actors are doing great job right now(it was not the case when the show started). The costumes, the visuals, the CGI, the audio, acting, etc... everything is good, great or above average BUT the writing... and it happens that this is the most important shit in the show. I mean im not watching GoT because of CGI... if i want to see CGI ill go see Avengers or some shit. I love the show, i love the whole GOT/ASOIF universe. I even try to watch the episodes and enjoy them as much as i can(doing Tony Robbins shit while watching lol focus on the positive stuff...:D)). I am invested in this story and i want to get satisfying ending in terms of quality. And so far we got 4 out of 6 episodes where the best one is actually episode 2. I think those are the 4 worst episodes in a row in terms of average quality the show ever had.

Cersei is obviously a tyrant and a psychopath, but I don't think she's "mad". Most of her tyrant actions were done calmly/logically. She knowingly ripped up Ned's letter from Robert because she was in control of the forces, she methodically planned the blowing up of the sept for a while to reclaim power over Tommen so they could rule together, etc. The one time she was driven mad was when Joffrey died and she bribed everyone possible to lie on the stand against Tyrion. Yes it would have been completely in character for Cersei to fire on them at the parley and would have increased her odds of winning the war with Dany/North overall, but I think it's not a slam dunk decision given the reasons I stated previously, and think her choice to not fire but to goad Dany into turning the people against her is fine. It's just not a major issue to me compared to half the shit that happened in season 7 and the Long Night episode. What I'm mostly arguing is that I could see her doing either thing (and I even grant that it's more likely she would fire), but most people are saying they see no reason at all to not just fire on them, which I think is wrong.

Dany on the other hand has rashly made decisions that went directly against her advisors (hanging the freed Meereen slave, burning the Tarlys, nailing the masters from the far east to signs, etc) She's always had a bit of a crazy streak but Tyrion, Jorah, etc have been able to coax her into a more logical action a bunch of times. She's unhinged now though and beyond the voice of reason from Tyrion/Varys. It seems like a pretty reasonable arc to me. I just view Cersei as a logical psychopath, and Dany as an impulsive stubborn brat who sees red and sometimes acts on it and is sometimes talked down from it but right now is beyond logic. Dany has also been a conqueror her entire adult life and trying to make everyone bend to her will for 5 seasons. They're both tyrants, but one is an intelligent psychopath and the other is impulsive and has anger management issues.

I definitely think the last episode was extremely rushed, and they needed a number of improbable things to happen because of it -- it probably should have been spaced out over 3 episodes, but I thought they did a good job for stuffing all of it into one episode. Still, I don't know why 2 seasons ahead of time they decided there would be 13 episodes and then to have extremely weird pacing -- an entire episode of talking and slow buildup, followed by a battle that shouldn't have immediately killed the existential threat, followed by an episode that probably had half a season's worth of stuff happen in 80 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking with the last 2 seasons overall, it's a huge dropoff, they even took an extra 9 months for this season as it didn't air last year so obviously they were consulting with GRRM. Why couldn't they lengthen it to 2 more episodes and do everything properly? It's sad, I still enjoy the show, but it's gone from a 10/10 to an 8/10.

I maintain the stance (most of us here probably do too, but I think it's popular to think there was a huge dropoff after season 4) that season 6 was fantastic as GRRM had The Winds of Winter mostly written and at least fully planned out, and it's hilarious that in hindsight my biggest gripes about the season were Jon rushing into battle and getting saved by Littlefinger and the giant not being given a tree to swing against Ramsey's forces. I've had issues with basically every episode since 7.1 and don't think any of them are as good as the ones before that.

On May 08 2019 14:13 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 08 2019 09:02 Zografa wrote:   On May 08 2019 01:09 Daut wrote:   On May 07 2019 16:23 Zografa wrote:   On May 07 2019 00:08 Daut wrote: Nobody here griped about it, others did elsewhere, but I thought Cersei not killing Tyrion and/or attacking Dany+Drogon while at the parley made perfect sense. Being the family who sanctioned the Red Wedding is one thing, but attacking your enemy at a peaceful meeting is another entirely, huge nono in their culture. Sure it's not out of character for her given what she did to the sept of baelor, but she has no real alliances within the seven kingdoms, doesn't want to risk her human shields turning against or her leaving, doesnt want to get stabbed in the back the moment this war is over, and the bulk of Dany's army isnt even here. Cersei executed Danny's "most trusted adviser" in that peaceful meeting :D Also fwiw where did Qybern go in the scene? He put out a Houdini i guess? At least they could have killed Cersei's most trusted avdisor in return? Not going to mention 20+ ballistas in range to kill the dragon who was in range and stood still. I mean there was probably a ballista for every unsullied out there lol. There's a large difference between killing an enemy prisoner captured during battle and killing your enemies at a parley. But in terms of blasphemy to their culture, I can't quite reconcile Cersei blowing up the Sept and not attacking Dany/Drogon/Tyrion at the parley. What she did with the wildfire in season 6 was much much worse than what she decided not to do last episode, and there's no way to argue out of it. But, I still think she decided the risk was not worth the gain -- no assurance of killing them if they started firing, risk turning her human shields away or against her, the bulk of Dany's forces are still at large, the majority (at least area wise) of the realm supports her usurper, and even if Dany died, there is another potential usurper right behind her in Jon. Further, the best way to win the people to her side is to goad Dany into doing something stupid via killing Missandei, sort of similar to Ramsey shooting a certain Stark child that didn't know how to run in zig zags before the Battle of the Bastards. I'm still mostly ok with the way the end of the episode played out. I agree with spitfire that Dany turning into the Mad Queen was the obvious character arc, but I don't think it's a bad way to go given that she's basically always been a brutal tyrant, she's just been a little more measured before this. Oh, wow i considered your first post a joke Well i just think the way they showed those scenes makes no sense at all, at least to me - screenwriting is very bad. Firstly lets see who Cersei really is? She is a Lannister. The Lannister family that plotted to murder Robbert Barateon(wine) and Ned Stark(LF and golden cloaks) AND the same family that stabbed the last Targaryen king in the back while being sworn to protect him(hi Jaime but more importantly hi Tywin who already had his master plan working before even Jaime got involved). They organized the Red Wedding. A very similar meeting just one season ago Tyrion said that Danny needs to bring her whole army so Cersei dosnt do anything stupid. And now Danny goes with a single dragon and few hundreds(we actually saw just 100) of unsullied and u are telling me that she gives a fuck about "parley" that is an execution scene? I dont see any risk i see just gains in this - the war is unavoidable, the people already hate Cersei. Why not try to slaughter at least the living force that Danny had with her even if they cant kill the dragon? I mean i keep on searching for logic in those scenes that make absolutely no fucking sense. About Danny going "mad" - she is not mad as in Mad King... she is losing everything and everyone its more like a desperation but not madness. I dont know why people still call that "MAD". Also how come she is a brutal tyrant, wtf? Why dont u use the same wording for Cersei, lol? Just do a quick review of what is done by whom and tell me who is mad and brutal tyrant :D They build Danny's character 8 seasons just to get butchered in 90 minutes of totally retarded plot writing. Same as the NK - a character and a story you build for 70 hours of tv show to get 15 minutes of slow motion walking to a lame death scene. It is just pity that this show had everything, i mean even the actors are doing great job right now(it was not the case when the show started). The costumes, the visuals, the CGI, the audio, acting, etc... everything is good, great or above average BUT the writing... and it happens that this is the most important shit in the show. I mean im not watching GoT because of CGI... if i want to see CGI ill go see Avengers or some shit. I love the show, i love the whole GOT/ASOIF universe. I even try to watch the episodes and enjoy them as much as i can(doing Tony Robbins shit while watching lol focus on the positive stuff...:D)). I am invested in this story and i want to get satisfying ending in terms of quality. And so far we got 4 out of 6 episodes where the best one is actually episode 2. I think those are the 4 worst episodes in a row in terms of average quality the show ever had. Cersei is obviously a tyrant and a psychopath, but I don't think she's "mad". Most of her tyrant actions were done calmly/logically. She knowingly ripped up Ned's letter from Robert because she was in control of the forces, she methodically planned the blowing up of the sept for a while to reclaim power over Tommen so they could rule together, etc. The one time she was driven mad was when Joffrey died and she bribed everyone possible to lie on the stand against Tyrion. Yes it would have been completely in character for Cersei to fire on them at the parley and would have increased her odds of winning the war with Dany/North overall, but I think it's not a slam dunk decision given the reasons I stated previously, and think her choice to not fire but to goad Dany into turning the people against her is fine. It's just not a major issue to me compared to half the shit that happened in season 7 and the Long Night episode. What I'm mostly arguing is that I could see her doing either thing (and I even grant that it's more likely she would fire), but most people are saying they see no reason at all to not just fire on them, which I think is wrong. Dany on the other hand has rashly made decisions that went directly against her advisors (hanging the freed Meereen slave, burning the Tarlys, nailing the masters from the far east to signs, etc) She's always had a bit of a crazy streak but Tyrion, Jorah, etc have been able to coax her into a more logical action a bunch of times. She's unhinged now though and beyond the voice of reason from Tyrion/Varys. It seems like a pretty reasonable arc to me. I just view Cersei as a logical psychopath, and Dany as an impulsive stubborn brat who sees red and sometimes acts on it and is sometimes talked down from it but right now is beyond logic. Dany has also been a conqueror her entire adult life and trying to make everyone bend to her will for 5 seasons. They're both tyrants, but one is an intelligent psychopath and the other is impulsive and has anger management issues. I definitely think the last episode was extremely rushed, and they needed a number of improbable things to happen because of it -- it probably should have been spaced out over 3 episodes, but I thought they did a good job for stuffing all of it into one episode. Still, I don't know why 2 seasons ahead of time they decided there would be 13 episodes and then to have extremely weird pacing -- an entire episode of talking and slow buildup, followed by a battle that shouldn't have immediately killed the existential threat, followed by an episode that probably had half a season's worth of stuff happen in 80 minutes. I don't know what they were thinking with the last 2 seasons overall, it's a huge dropoff, they even took an extra 9 months for this season as it didn't air last year so obviously they were consulting with GRRM. Why couldn't they lengthen it to 2 more episodes and do everything properly? It's sad, I still enjoy the show, but it's gone from a 10/10 to an 8/10. I maintain the stance (most of us here probably do too, but I think it's popular to think there was a huge dropoff after season 4) that season 6 was fantastic as GRRM had The Winds of Winter mostly written and at least fully planned out, and it's hilarious that in hindsight my biggest gripes about the season were Jon rushing into battle and getting saved by Littlefinger and the giant not being given a tree to swing against Ramsey's forces. I've had issues with basically every episode since 7.1 and don't think any of them are as good as the ones before that.

Well i think we kind of have different visions on Dany - i think more of her like a person who is aware of some of her daemons and is wanting to do stuff to avoid embracing them. I mean she listens to her advisers almost always to a some degree. The Tarly thing is being brought up so much, but let me tell you my vision of it - the old Tarly was a traitor, who broke an oath, went full hypocrite and his reasoning was complete bullshit. His son... was just proud and stupid - it was very well pointed out so by the Bronn/Jaime conversations with him.

Missandei ... wtf was that "dracarys"(and with an echo lol)... the girl that was born on an island where violence was basically absent among her people and they were passive even when others enslaved them. I bet DnD were told Missandei is very likable by the normies, so why not make her death something special - make her the catalyst of the "mad queen" lol... just like they did with Lyana Mormont - they admitted she was a one scene character but because of fan fiction they gave her heroic status.

^ she was asking her queen to burn them all I guess

Guys please don't post about spoilers on future episodes that haven't aired without tags.

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That said, if they put armor on a dragon I'll lose my fucking mind.

But whenever Aerys gave a man to the flames, Queen Rhaella would have a visitor in the night. The day he burned his mace-and-dagger Hand, Jaime and Jon Darry had stood guard outside her bedchamber whilst the king took his pleasure. "You're hurting me," they had heard Rhaella cry through the oaken door. "You're HURTING me." In some queer way, that had been worse than Lord Chelsted's screaming. "We are sworn to protect her as well," Jaime had finally been driven to say. "We are," Darry allowed, "but not from him." [...] He heard the maids whispering after. They said the queen looked as if some beast had savaged her, clawing at her thighs and chewing on her breasts. A crowned beast, Jaime knew.

This is a description of the Mad King from the books. I dont see anything even remotely related to what Dany is. You may call her ruthless and impulsive but mad like her father is a far reach. In fact this madness is very close to what Cersei is, just without some of the "external" symptoms.

I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei