That said, if they put armor on a dragon I'll lose my fucking mind.
The armour isnt a spoiler its just a theory for Euron looking so surprised
And tbh that this even is an option says a lot about where the show went after season 6.
I really had to laugh about your comment with your season 6 example since it is so true.
Things have changed so much that nobody nowadays would even notice the giant not having a good weapon since so many other things are "wrong"
U see what i did there with A8 ? He 4 bets and there we go insta jam A8 : ---booooom -- . hahahaha ( Krantz)
On May 08 2019 20:46 Spitfiree wrote:
I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei
I see this scenario as possible:
Dany wins by actually not doing anything bad, however Cersei uses the barrels she has been loading around KL(u can spot them in the trailer images they are everywhere in the scene where Cersei observes ppl entering the yard) making it look like Dany did it(also matches what qybern said to bronn when ordering him to kill tyrion and jaime "she has other plans for the Targaryen girl"
If u remember Cersei was ready to do mass murder and then suicide as KL was attacked bu Stannis
On May 10 2019 09:10 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Euron's godmode every episode.. will it be explained in the books ?
Euron is a literally a "sea god" in the books but its much more detailed, he has a valyrian steel armor(the only one to exist) and a horn that controls dragons. He literally went to hell and back. It is described as a very powerful character.
The show representation is just a shallow picture of him.
On May 10 2019 03:16 Baalim wrote:
The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne.
Still better writing than Season 8.
Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame.
i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing
pre - GOT was an art form
post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form
On May 10 2019 09:10 VanDerMeyde wrote:
Euron's godmode every episode.. will it be explained in the books ?
Euron is a literally a "sea god" in the books but its much more detailed, he has a valyrian steel armor(the only one to exist) and a horn that controls dragons. He literally went to hell and back. It is described as a very powerful character.
The show representation is just a shallow picture of him.
Euron is so OP I was actually not sure how they would develop another character to face him in the books. He just came outta nowhere and is so powerful that I kinda got annoyed of GRRM
On May 10 2019 03:16 Baalim wrote:
The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne.
Still better writing than Season 8.
Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame.
i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing
pre - GOT was an art form
post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form
yep, thats what it is.
I'm just puzzled of why the writing is so terrible, I think myself or any other fan with half a brain could write it better but perhaps I'm just suffering from dunning-kruger but the shot is so full of ex-machinas and other goofy shit that I dont see how.
How can professional writers be this terrible? especially when GRRM set the foundations of how the story should be told breaking all the clichés, I'm honestly puzzled, is it that they have been writing in certain style for so long that they can't do anything else? I'd like to hear what people like Daut and Drone who are less reactionary think of why the writing is being done like this.
On May 10 2019 03:16 Baalim wrote:
The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne.
Still better writing than Season 8.
Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame.
i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing
pre - GOT was an art form
post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form
yep, thats what it is.
I'm just puzzled of why the writing is so terrible, I think myself or any other fan with half a brain could write it better but perhaps I'm just suffering from dunning-kruger but the shot is so full of ex-machinas and other goofy shit that I dont see how.
How can professional writers be this terrible? especially when GRRM set the foundations of how the story should be told breaking all the clichés, I'm honestly puzzled, is it that they have been writing in certain style for so long that they can't do anything else? I'd like to hear what people like Daut and Drone who are less reactionary think of why the writing is being done like this.
I made a comparison to NBA coaching previously -- they do all the subtle things really well, then fuck up the super obvious things that anyone can realize don't make a ton of sense. I don't understand it, but they still do a pretty great job with dialogue, and most of the major plot points are still good (even in season 7, the things that happened were good, they just needed to unfold in a better way).
It's probably a combination of a number of things -- rushing to finish in a smaller number of episodes than they should, writing how they think a show should be written instead of how GoT is told, emphasis on wrapping up character arcs that would end abruptly in reality (think of how Lupus/Tonks/etc died at the end of Harry Potter vs how Jorah+Lyanna Mormont died), falling in love with choreography that looks cool instead of being realistic (Lyanna Mormont killing the giant), etc.
I still enjoy it (mostly because I'm adjusted to the new reality from season 7 and like this season better than the last one so far), but it's a been a gigantic dropoff ever since the opening scene of 7.1 (Arya obliterating House Fray, which was fucking awesome)
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Stroggoz New Zealand. May 11 2019 21:28. Posts 5330
meh, i thought season 5+6+7+8 were all pretty bad writing wise~. Yes it's a combination of lots of things that have made it bad. It's not as simple as something like not killing off main charachters. I dislike how they made a lot of the charachters meet up; i'd prefer jorah to be somewhere by himself and sam to still be at the citadil for example. I hated the cersei plot in season 6. no witty or intelligent tyrion lines anymore, just bad enuch jokes. I also think too many characters were killed off since season 5. Why kill off interesting charachters if it doesn't serve a purpose of story telling. The pacing just feels really fast, and the show has declined since season 4 ending as there isn't really much interesting left to say-it's just more of the same in many cases. The entire dorne plot, it had nothing interesting to say at all in the end so it could have been cut entirely.
One of 3 non decent human beings on a site of 5 people with between 2-3 decent human beings
Originally I found Season 5+++ to be terrible as well, however thats cause I had read the books, so I decided i was biased and a tv show has to make sacrifices, so I tried to get along with it and make compromises e.g. Jaime in Dorne and them cutting off completely the Dorne real plot and cutting off other alive Targeryans(the books one is much much better). However, since Season 7 they've completely focused on Hollywood bullshit and abandoned character development/experience, except Daenerys and Sansa and I feel like they only focus on those two for political reasons which makes it even worse. And even if they had a "bad season" as in the NBA, they had the chance to come back strong for Season 8.
Budget excuses are quite pitiful as well. I could probably write a few hundred rows long list of things that were wrong in this season alone, this is just inexcusably bad at this point.
The 70-year-old revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone that the final series had been 'not completely faithful', adding that he was 'a little sad' that there weren't a few more seasons.
He said: "Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. [...] It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing - that leads to a lot of conflict."
He continued: "You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with the story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'. The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."
The author went on to explain that he was not angered by how the final series has been made, rather, he wished the show could continue for a few seasons more.
He said: "You know, it's complex. I'm a little sad, actually. I wish we had a few more seasons. But I understand. Dave and Dan are gonna go on to do other things, and I'm sure some of the actors were signed up for like seven or eight years, and they would like to go on and take other roles. All of that is fair. I'm not angry or anything like that, but there's a little wistfulness in me."
So basically he says everything is rushed. I think a better solution would be to say goodbye to Dave and Dan - instead bring in some other guys to finish the show properly.
The 70-year-old revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone that the final series had been 'not completely faithful', adding that he was 'a little sad' that there weren't a few more seasons.
He said: "Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. [...] It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing - that leads to a lot of conflict."
He continued: "You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with the story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'. The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."
Well Bronn is a character that has a Q rating high enough to keep him busy 8 seasons... i hate the meaningless scenes with him.
But how can the series run for another 5 seasons(actually he first said he thought they will go for aboubt 13-14 seasons total so this should be accurate) - he has not finished the books and we all see what happens when u dont have the source so u can at least not do such an epic fail of a episode as s08e04.
I heard HBO wanted to give them $ and everything they need to run it to at least 10 seasons. The problem mostly was GRRMs slow writing and the DnD level of retardation in adapting the story. Also i dont see how actors dont want to play in it anymore(this was also stated as a reason) - this is what they will be remembered for, this will be their legacy, i heard Jaime's actor got 1m$ per episode last season i can imagine this is how much other main characters also earn. I mean yeah some actors will have a good future - i really like Emilia Clarke for example, Nikolaj and Lena, Peter might be cool if they let him but in reality it will be like the Friends actors - they will be remembered for that.
So the only legit reason to me is the inability of DnD to construct a reasonable screenwriting without the underlying book. Its a shame really.
What can save this show now is to have 2 of the best episodes in the history of all seasons. Im talking Battle of the Bastards/Hardhome/The Wall battles level combined with drama such the Tyrion trial sequence of episodes.
Unfortunately leaks suggest we are here for an ending that will make casuals and hard core fans regret ever investing their time in this. I am mostly prepared for the worst.
The 70-year-old revealed in an interview with Rolling Stone that the final series had been 'not completely faithful', adding that he was 'a little sad' that there weren't a few more seasons.
He said: "Of course you have an emotional reaction. I mean, would I prefer they do it exactly the way I did it? Sure. [...] It can also be traumatic. Because sometimes their creative vision and your creative vision don't match, and you get the famous creative differences thing - that leads to a lot of conflict."
He continued: "You get totally extraneous things like the studio or the network weighing in, and they have some particular thing that has nothing to do with the story, but relates to 'Well this character has a very high Q Rating so let's give him a lot more stuff to do'. The series has been... not completely faithful. Otherwise, it would have to run another five seasons."
What can save this show now is to have 2 of the best episodes in the history of all seasons. Im talking Battle of the Bastards.....
I still think about myself critiquing Battle of the Bastards for not giving the giant a tree almost daily and wonder how the show has gotten to where it is now.
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On May 12 2019 10:59 Zografa wrote:
This tweet does a good hypothesis on what is going on:
This is insightful -- explains why Book 4 went so off the rails compared to the first 3. Still think it's insane that the showrunners decided to wrap up the final two seasons in 13 episodes when they were given carte blanche by HBO.
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