Game of Thrones: Season 8 - Page 12

On May 11 2019 15:06 Daut wrote: Show nested quote + On May 10 2019 21:57 Baalim wrote:   On May 10 2019 13:01 Smuft wrote:   On May 10 2019 03:16 Baalim wrote: The starbucks cup will sit on the iron throne. Still better writing than Season 8. Agree with Daut, I think GoT was a 10/10 but the last 2 seasons being lilke a 5/10 make the whole series a 8/10... such a shame. i prefer to think of it as pre/post having GRRM framework for writing pre - GOT was an art form post - GOT became a TV show for entertainment/profit, the audio/visual is still art level but w/o GRRM framework for writing, the show itself is no longer an art form yep, thats what it is. I'm just puzzled of why the writing is so terrible, I think myself or any other fan with half a brain could write it better but perhaps I'm just suffering from dunning-kruger but the shot is so full of ex-machinas and other goofy shit that I dont see how. How can professional writers be this terrible? especially when GRRM set the foundations of how the story should be told breaking all the clichés, I'm honestly puzzled, is it that they have been writing in certain style for so long that they can't do anything else? I'd like to hear what people like Daut and Drone who are less reactionary think of why the writing is being done like this. I made a comparison to NBA coaching previously -- they do all the subtle things really well, then fuck up the super obvious things that anyone can realize don't make a ton of sense. I don't understand it, but they still do a pretty great job with dialogue, and most of the major plot points are still good (even in season 7, the things that happened were good, they just needed to unfold in a better way). It's probably a combination of a number of things -- rushing to finish in a smaller number of episodes than they should, writing how they think a show should be written instead of how GoT is told, emphasis on wrapping up character arcs that would end abruptly in reality (think of how Lupus/Tonks/etc died at the end of Harry Potter vs how Jorah+Lyanna Mormont died), falling in love with choreography that looks cool instead of being realistic (Lyanna Mormont killing the giant), etc. I still enjoy it (mostly because I'm adjusted to the new reality from season 7 and like this season better than the last one so far), but it's a been a gigantic dropoff ever since the opening scene of 7.1 (Arya obliterating House Fray, which was fucking awesome)

I dont watch the NBA and other mainstream sports where blunders appear to be common, I watch the UFC which is full of mistakes but I attritube them to the sport being full of meatheads and I watch Formula 1 where errors are quite rare, in fact they are a good example of how to run things super competently..

I just dont understand is it that writers in those spots are not that good and land those jobs because other reaons than competence?, or is it that HBO exects are also bad at creating quality content and meddle too much? a combination of these and other factors that create this shit?


I dont buy the "we are not perfect" excuse, Carlsen isn't perfect and makes "blunders" in games, but its rare and its one, he doesn't botch up a game and play it worse than an amateur player EVER, neither I would expect to see Jungleman calling off his stack with 72o in the WSOP FT... so Its not clear to me why massive and many blunders happen so often in other industries at the highest levels.

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Guess that qualifies as mad queen.

It was clear she was going to be the Mad Queen when Tyrion visited her in her room, and her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex. Her hair is never out of place, yet in that room scene, her hair instantly reminded me of the flashback clip they show of the Mad King.

that was the most stupid fight I have ever seen lol all the sudden having one hand is not big deal at all

I have a lot of issues with this episodes but some of the scenes were kind of cool. I don't even really feel like going into it but I wish this show had some better writers and they planned for it to go about another 2 seasons than this shit.

Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode.

This is true

haha, another sword thrust through thick plate+chain mail. Plate armor does nothing here!

Jaimie's character arc is kinda weird: 'i've never cared about the innocent', are the writers trolling us here? I guess you could just pass it off as him caring more about his sister than the innocent. i don't get why they would intentionally add this line in though

On previous episode: virgin shaming of briene, this just seemed like another example of GoT actually being a 21st century drama and not a medieval fantasy to me. It was seen as a good thing to be a virgin before marriage for a lady back then, so to me it doesn't make sense to feel shame over it. Although could be just to make fun of briene's apparent bad looks.

'John has the respect of the north'. Random northen soldier decides to try and kill him during battle-wtf!!. Again, fuedal heirachy not respected at all for some reason. 21st century westeros stuff

This episode reminded me of hiroshima bombing tbh. 'Japan ready to surrender once russia turns on them; lets bomb them anyway!'

On May 13 2019 05:33 Daut wrote: Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode.

I enjoyed it, a big improvement over the previous episodes.

The bad:
Jamie vs Euron was so fucking ridiculous... only Euron swims to the shore, not a single sailore more and exactly at the same time, and we got a cliché fight where one is fatally wounded and the other dies, (nothing wrong with him winning one handed, it wasn't established that Euron was a great fighter).

Dragonfire is very inconsistent, now it collapses towers instantly but Jon snow hid from it behind a small pile of bricks in the battle vs the undead.

Jon killing the rapist is so cliché, bad scene.

The meh

Clegane bowl was too predictable and cheesy, the only thing I liked was the good old oberyn eye poke

Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up

Ballistas were nerfed too.

Its quite obvious where they are gonig with Arya, I hope they didn't just telegraph the plot that hard.

The good:
This is the supposed true power of dragons, I mean a fucking meteor fell from the sky the day they were born, they are magical creatures nearly unkillable by mortals without magic, Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms with just 3 dragon riders before.

Daenerys descent into madness was predictable but done correctlly I felt through the entire episode like "ok... are you done now? no?,,, ok", people complaining that its out of character are morons, she has been talking about bringing fire and blood since Qart, she let his brother die gruesomly and didn't even flinch etc, she has always been on the crazy monarch side but she had advisors who tempered her impulses... those advisors are now dead or betrayed her, Missandei and Greyworm always wanted brutal revenge, they didn't care about any moral high ground.

Varys death, I would have liked it to be on-screen, but I was good, he was my favorite character just after Tywin.


the really good

The cinematography was perfect, beautiful directing

On May 13 2019 05:50 Stroggoz wrote: haha, another sword thrust through thick plate+chain mail. Plate armor does nothing here!

well at least they showed the hound swinging and hitting his brother's armor with no effect whatsoever, plus he is like the 2nd strongest man in westeros besides the mountain and if they are both moving foward etc... its semi-plausible

Mixed feelings about that episode.


the positive :

It was one hell of a action hollywood movie !
The pictures , the camera work , the sound , the atmosphere of total destruction 10/10


the bad

it felt very little game of thrones
there were only very few moments where i felt like watching GOT
In fact when you watched GOT Season 1-6 like 4-5 times you notice that many of the caracters in this Episode 5 act so completely out of line that it capped my emotional connection towards them.


tbh i dont even care for Episode 6 anymore.

On May 13 2019 04:47 PuertoRican wrote: It was clear she was going to be the Mad Queen when Tyrion visited her in her room, and her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex. Her hair is never out of place, yet in that room scene, her hair instantly reminded me of the flashback clip they show of the Mad King.

Yeah they shouldn't have done that... they made it 100% transparent that Daenerys was going to burn them all, for what purpose?

Just leave us with the doubt a little bit more and then burn them all, it would have been better.

rewatched it again and still feel like besides being incredible good in terms of camera work and atmosphere i still dont like the Episode .

Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.

She has killed Eurons Fleet
She has killed the Golden Company
Her army has sucessfully occupied Kings Landing.

complete victory

She stops and takes a deep breath and then after minutes of inner fighting she decides to kill all civilians and burn the whole city to ashes ?

I have no problem with her going into bloodrage mode and killing many civilians as collateral damage.
But i have a big problem with her going specifically after civilians just for the reason of murdering for fun/insanity

Dany has always been cruel and brutal to her enemys to a point where it was clear she is not an "only good" hero.
But she has always been very kind to the little men.

I agree it was very clear from many hints this Episode that she would burn everything to the ground but they have not conviced me that it was authentic character developement.

She had her Khabib 2.0 moment but didnt go after MC Gregors Training partners but started to beat up the innocent number girls instead ......

On May 13 2019 14:18 PplusAD wrote: rewatched it again and still feel like besides being incredible good in terms of camera work and atmosphere i still dont like the Episode . Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me. She has killed Eurons Fleet She has killed the Golden Company Her army has sucessfully occupied Kings Landing. complete victory She stops and takes a deep breath and then after minutes of inner fighting she decides to kill all civilians and burn the whole city to ashes ? I have no problem with her going into bloodrage mode and killing many civilians as collateral damage. But i have a big problem with her going specifically after civilians just for the reason of murdering for fun/insanity Dany has always been cruel and brutal to her enemys to a point where it was clear she is not an "only good" hero. But she has always been very kind to the little men. I agree it was very clear from many hints this Episode that she would burn everything to the ground but they have not conviced me that it was authentic character developement. She had her Khabib 2.0 moment but didnt go after MC Gregors Training partners but started to beat up the innocent number girls instead ......

Another really stupid episode.

- Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time
- Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time
Repeat x10

Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened !
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On May 13 2019 17:59 VanDerMeyde wrote: Another really stupid episode. - Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time - Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time Repeat x10 Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened ! ......

+ Euron comming out of nowhere for a 1v1 spotlight super villian fight that could come straight out of an action movie


+ Jamie got stabbed twice with a 20cm blade fully burried in his flesh one time to the side and one time in the back !
He was so dead and i really hoped they wont make that superhero healing within minutes shit on him
but 10 minutes later he is fine and can talk perfectly normal to Cersei.


+ hundreds of Dothraki back in the army
Now i see why they did send them in vs the NightKing.
Cause it didnt matter.... they would just reappear for no reason out of nowhere

+ Dany deciding to kill innocent civilians for fun instead of flying to the red keep and killing cersei

On May 13 2019 06:00 Baalim wrote: Show nested quote + On May 13 2019 05:33 Daut wrote: Not gonna overthink it, all I'll say is the camerawork was incredible, beautifully filmed episode. I enjoyed it, a big improvement over the previous episodes. The bad: Jamie vs Euron was so fucking ridiculous... only Euron swims to the shore, not a single sailore more and exactly at the same time, and we got a cliché fight where one is fatally wounded and the other dies, (nothing wrong with him winning one handed, it wasn't established that Euron was a great fighter). The meh Clegane bowl was too predictable and cheesy, the only thing I liked was the good old oberyn eye poke Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up Ballistas were nerfed too. Its quite obvious where they are gonig with Arya, I hope they didn't just telegraph the plot that hard. The good: This is the supposed true power of dragons, I mean a fucking meteor fell from the sky the day they were born, they are magical creatures nearly unkillable by mortals without magic, Aegon conquered the 7 kingdoms with just 3 dragon riders before. Daenerys descent into madness was predictable but done correctlly I felt through the entire episode like "ok... are you done now? no?,,, ok", people complaining that its out of character are morons, she has been talking about bringing fire and blood since Qart, she let his brother die gruesomly and didn't even flinch etc, she has always been on the crazy monarch side but she had advisors who tempered her impulses... those advisors are now dead or betrayed her, Missandei and Greyworm always wanted brutal revenge, they didn't care about any moral high ground. Varys death, I would have liked it to be on-screen, but I was good, he was my favorite character just after Tywin. the really good The cinematography was perfect, beautiful directing

You mean he is not supposed to be a great warrior on the series? ircc he is legit as fuck in the books, that fucking fight really pissed me off lol

This entire episode didn't feel like GoT to me .. really weird

lol the downfall of this show is epic, it will be in the books after a while in a lesson called HOW TO NOT DO IT

On May 08 2019 20:46 Spitfiree wrote: I don't know man I feel like Daenerys is just gonna burn everyone in her path until King's Landing is in ashes now. No other plausible reason to kill Missandei

Zzzz

On May 13 2019 04:47 PuertoRican wrote: her hair was all over the place like she just had rough sex

Thats cause Missandei was doing her hair...


This episode felt like a filler even though I was glad they decided to go with the "burn them all" option. The only way this could get better if Danaerys kills Jon in the last episode now and that's how the show ends, that would redeem the last few seasons for me. Anyway regarding the episode:

1. What the fuck was that fighting between Euron and Jaime ??? Completely useless and pointless and so out of plot
2. What the fuck was the entire purpose of Arya in this episode apart from the ending scene with the white horse??
3. What the fuck was the point of Cersei in this episode???
4. Did they really just film it in a way where Daenerys flies on a dragon between dozens of ballistas and demolishes everyone? Really? After her fucking dragon died like that previous episode? After she ran away, instead of burning Euron's entire fleet while fully controlled by rage? They didn't even try to put her in danger, so disappointing. I mean, thats how her dragon should've been the entire time, the other dragon dying was just fucking retarded. I'm guessing they kill a dragon off with the horn in the books, but since they got no equivalent in the series, they had to use something mega retarded.
5. What the fuck was Jaime doing? This was the most retarded Hollywood shit ever. Please D&D go suck yourselves off.

Cersei & Jamies death was unimaginative and and a bit cheesy I think they left a good oportunity to do something cool, but at least it wasn't more cliché or something I guess I'm just grateful when it isn't a massive fuck up

They can still go with the "MIA" plot since we didn't actually see them die...

On May 13 2019 17:59 VanDerMeyde wrote: Another really stupid episode. - Aria jumping out of dragonfire in the last 1/100 second just in time - Aria jumping away from a falling building in the last 1/100 second just in time Repeat x10 Oh I was so excited the 10th time that happened ! ......

Lmao spot on. That was actually so bad I started watching youtube on the other monitor while those scenes passed.

On May 13 2019 14:18 PplusAD wrote: Dany going complete apeshit on civilians just doesnt make much sense to me.

Really? This is the only thing that makes sense in the entire season.You must've missed a lot. Even before Episode 4 (death of Missandei) I was discussing with friends IRL that they are somewhat hinting at Daenerys going mad and burning everyone to the ground. Plus it would make a good plot for a lot of obvious reasons, and fantasy writers just love the cycle effects, plus the show writers are not very bright or imaginative, thus the cycle repeating plot would make perfect sense due to being fairly "unique" and "original" for the average viewer and non-fantasy-reader

She lost her only friend. The bond she had with Missandei goes beyond the bond with anyone else she ever had incl. Drogo and Jon.
She lost one of her dragons.
Nobody loves her (e.g. if Jon had fucked his aunt this wouldn't have happened)
A lot of people despise her
A lot of people just don't trust her
Plus all of the pain she s suffering.

She is not killing anyone for fun. She is killing them for revenge and making a statement that she will not be pushed around anymore by anyone as she is willing to go as far as burning down the biggest city on the continent to the ground with its citizens with it, cause they didn't obey her.

So if they won't respect her, they will at least shiver by the thought of her. Easy mental warfare won.