Game of Thrones: Season 8 - Page 3

That would be really cool and creative though.
I am fine with that.

But if i learned one thing from Season 6 and Season 7
There wil not be any creative moments in GOT anymore

Watching this episode felt like forever... Also lol at the non-binary knight.

rewatched it for a second time now.

It had some good moments and overall it was a enjoyable experience.
I still dont get Brans words.

I mean yeha its obvious he is something special to the Night King and i even think it would be cool when they are the same.
Its obvious through the last seasons that they have a very strong connection.

I still dont understand how that memory part makes any sense ?
I also dont see how suddenly the Night King decides to erase the world ?

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Some research done ->

It seems i had the wrong perception of what bran was.
I thought he was a human and choosen tool that got some super powers to help mankind fullfill a prophecy

But for this Episode to make sense bran cant be even 1% human anymore
he has become somethig completely differnt


he now is basically a giant supercomputer and everything that happens is stored on his HDD.
Him being the computer he can browse this data , load it and manipulate it to some part
He can also enter other creatures since they are basically stored on his HDD aswell.
He could change everything but will not since its not the purpouse of his existance to change stuff
his purpouse is simply to store stuff.

So everything that has happend and is happening is stored in bran.

So seems he is now some kind of "knowledge god" and indeed has access to everything that has happend in this world.


Still it doesnt make sense for the Night King to suddenly declare war on all living after thousands of years of peace ?

In the books, Brann has the ability to see in the past through the Weirdwood trees and also has prophecy dreams. He is also said to be able to skinchange - meaning he should be able to control animals e.g. he controlled Ghost on a few occasions, but didn't know I'm pretty sure. By the time the series is developed, neither of those are even mentioned I think, so the big reveal will most likely be Brann controlling the undead dragon and having a mental battle with the Night King for it.

Now there is also the fact that the "White Walkers" were going after Brann in the books, so that they could actually use him to cross the Wall with his army(thats how white walkers went into the cave of the three-eyed crow, it was magic-protected but Brann got marked), I wouldn't be surprised if he gets caught in the books and gets used, rather than having a fucking dragon randomly die and burn the wall. Brann also is shown how the original undead dude was created, might be hidden info on how to kill them. There is also the paradox theory which is - Bran is actually Bran The Builder, thus if the walkers kill him, there would be no wall, but at this point in the series its kinda irrelevant.

Honestly, with how shallow the show has become I don't have a relevant theory of what's going on. I just know it's going to be utterly disappointing, just can't wait for it to be over, so GRRM can finish his books.

The NK doesn't exist in the books, there s not a single leader. It's a bunch of them... so w/e

The only thing that I think matches is the prophecy of the prince who was promised, which is either Jon Snow or Daenerys, unless a 3rd Targeryan shows up or there is some random plot twist.

I'm guessing then its Jon Snow, he ends up defeating all of the WW and he also slaughters all Starks as well including burning Winterfell down and then dying himself and we have teh show ending with everything in ruin with Cersei still being Cersei and Daenerys showing real signs of madness -> End Credits bye,bye

so Tyrion is not a Targeryan after all?

eh, hoping the night king makes the long night that lasts forever. he's the only one without bad scriptwriters.

On April 22 2019 22:42 Spitfiree wrote: Honestly, with how shallow the show has become I don't have a relevant theory of what's going on. I just know it's going to be utterly disappointing, just can't wait for it to be over, so GRRM can finish his books.

couldnt agree more.
This whole show has become so straightforward and shallow.

During Season 6 , 7 and 8 in many scenes and possible scenarios i have asked myself plenty of times:

" Is there more to it ? This all cant be that simple and straightforward "
And every fucking time it was that simple and straightforward....


Night King and his goals perfecly fits into that sadness


The White Walkers and the Humans have lived in "peace" for thousands of years with Craster sacrificing male babys to the NIght King


Suddenly for no apparent reason the Night King gathers an army and starts marching south.


There are plenty of theorys on youtube what he could possibly want and why he started marching.
Some of the well thought and creative.

But the simple truth ?

---He wants to destroy all living ----

badabum tssss

On April 23 2019 08:47 PplusAD wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2019 22:42 Spitfiree wrote: Honestly, with how shallow the show has become I don't have a relevant theory of what's going on. I just know it's going to be utterly disappointing, just can't wait for it to be over, so GRRM can finish his books. The White Walkers and the Humans have lived in "peace" for thousands of years with Craster sacrificing male babys to the NIght King

That's the thing. In the books the "Night's King" is the ruler of the castle on the Wall where Bran came back from and he was supposedly married to a white walker (could actually have been married to a white walker so do a peace agreement, since if the WW are Starks, thats how they do peace agreements)... anyway he was giving away babies to the white walkers as well until Brandon the Builder slaughtered everyone there. The show also ignores the fact that white walkers can speak and have a language which the humans don't understand.... they are not zombies..

It's also quite important that Craster was giving male babys in particular, as it adds to the "prince that was promised" narrative. Could be also the reason why they march south.

The "they want everyone dead and a long night" sounds reasonable as dumb as it sounds, since they are a hive mind basically. Thats how hive minds operate, they assimilate everything into their environment and make it their own

being so critical on the show feels weird to me - its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...

its obv that they cannot make it as good as seasons 1-6(i think season 6 is where content from Martin finished and they had to invent the story to the end) but its still good, also the second episode is MUCH better than than first one but they could be one single 80 minutes episode and that would have been best

so much happened in ep.2...
the most epic part to me was how Brienne was knighted by Jamie - this scene was so deep when you start with their relations evolution to this moment and finish with a detail that Brienne and Jamie actually hold 2 parts of the same sword - Neds Stark sword - Ice that is home again and will defend Winterfell

the song at the end is also a huge spoiler if you check the background story

Spitfire im rereading your post and it seems u didnt watch the show at all - Bran had all those skills in the TV show as well - he controlled Ghost and Summer, as well as Hodor he also had a prophecy dream

also please stop comparing a tv show to the books about deepness and shallowness, the only fair comparison is the seasons where they had support from Martin's manuscripts(probably until 6th season with some plot holes here and there in 4-6 seasons) vs the seasons they dont 7+8 - quality is suffering but its still good. And yes its a lot harder to finish someones else story especially if you are not into writing that deep Martin is writing...

P.s also having a shoot out from S.K. himself means something in my book:
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https://i.imgur.com/umeoq8w.png

On April 23 2019 18:55 Zografa wrote: Spitfire im rereading your post and it seems u didnt watch the show at all - Bran had all those skills in the TV show as well - he controlled Ghost and Summer, as well as Hodor he also had a prophecy dream also please stop comparing a tv show to the books about deepness and shallowness, the only fair comparison is the seasons where they had support from Martin's manuscripts(probably until 6th season with some plot holes here and there in 4-6 seasons) vs the seasons they dont 7+8 - quality is suffering but its still good. And yes its a lot harder to finish someones else story especially if you are not into writing that deep Martin is writing... P.s also having a shoot out from S.K. himself means something in my book: + Show Spoiler + https://i.imgur.com/umeoq8w.png

Agreed.

On April 23 2019 18:38 Zografa wrote: being so critical on the show feels weird to me - its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...

No doubt about that

On April 23 2019 18:38 Zografa wrote: its still the best fantasy on tv by a large margin even in its weakest moments...

Indeed, except I'd rather keep my standards high rather than decrease them cause they didn't do their work properly. All of this could've been resolved if GRRM was pushed to finish his books.

At the moment, the characters are losing their personalities (at least a lot of them). Brienne's scene was indeed the only one that had depth

Arya's sex scene was just another Hollywood stupidass bullshit. She was afraid of dying, thus wanted to try everything out ... is that it? They used the biggest cliche argument to force a completely unnecessary scene for the moment on one of the most badass characters in the series.

Tyrion has been starting to lose his grip ever since the book plot ran out as well. He used to be one of the most diverse, complex characters... if not the most complex one.

Could honestly go for ages.

Even without GRRM, they could've just taken a pause to write a proper script, just like Jonathan Nolan took a good long break with his wife to write the 2nd season of Westworld and most likely gonna do the same thing for the 3rd one, just like they take ages inbetween Mr. Robot seasons to write proper scripts. GoT has shitton of characters so they probably needed much more than what they took as a break

Westworld 2nd season went full retard - Nolan needed to take 5-6 years maybe...

As i said its one thing to create your own story, the way you want from scratch and its another, much harder, to finish someone else story, where u already have so much going on.

GoT is the show of the 2010's and i think it will go down as one of the greatest tv shows we ever saw in the HBO era, to me it goes right at the top with the likes of Sopranos and The Wire.

Martin himself said in a very recent interview that when they were discussing the potential show in 2009 he was sure to finish the books by the time the show catches up. I feel he got little bit confused on 2 parts:
- show runners cut down the number of characters greatly and thinned the story plots - if they were to build and expand all of his characters in the books it would probably require double or triple the number of episodes(not that i mind it). Just see how they completely isolated Dorn and the 3rd Targaryen story lines, there is also much of secondary characters that are very interesting in the books but a complete no show on TV
- he overestimated his own capabilities - the world he created is insanely big and complex, the story lines are very difficult to resolve in just 2 normal books, he even mentioned that books might go to few thousands of pages each

So far the only show i have ever seen that got better and better and then ended with a big fucking bang right when it was at its peak was Breaking Bad.
I still love it for being absolutely insane and on point with ending it at the perfect moment

GOT simply got waaaay too big with time and they could not handle the complexity anymore.

There are so many Sidestorys that simply will not be finished since there is no time for it. (Only 4 Episodes left)
You can clearly see this with Varys and Tyrion

Both characters have turned from important masterminds who achieve complicated plot twists to unimportant side figures who are basically there for the sole purpouse of being there.,..
Little Fingers death also fits into that scheme.
All the real masterminds who made complicated stuff work got dumbed down by a large margin.

When you run out of time you play human emotions and action scenes instead of complicated and intelligent ideas with complex plots.

On April 24 2019 15:03 PplusAD wrote: So far the only show i have ever seen that got better and better and then ended with a big fucking bang right when it was at its peak was Breaking Bad. I still love it for being absolutely insane and on point with ending it at the perfect moment GOT simply got waaaay too big with time and they could not handle the complexity anymore. There are so many Sidestorys that simply will not be finished since there is no time for it. (Only 4 Episodes left) You can clearly see this with Varys and Tyrion Both characters have turned from important masterminds who achieve complicated plot twists to unimportant side figures who are basically there for the sole purpouse of being there.,.. Little Fingers death also fits into that scheme. All the real masterminds who made complicated stuff work got dumbed down by a large margin. When you run out of time you play human emotions and action scenes instead of complicated and intelligent ideas with complex plots.

True - the spider probably had an interesting backstory and motivations... maybe we will see some of this but it will be just small chunks of the whole thing.
Tyrion on the other hand... there are 2 scenes already that are kind of tricky to me and both went "no show" by the HBO - his talks with Cersei(the ending) and the whole Bran talk in ep.2(also we saw Bran staring at him in ep.1). I feel we will see this whole plot unfolding in the next episodes... i think he will surprise us in a negative way but its just my 2 cents of speculation.

Breaking Bad is an amazing show indeed, definitely one of the top of all time for me, however its again unfair comparison.

I myself took the position to just watch and enjoy the GoT final episodes with as much pleasure as possible, ofc i notice the problems every hard core fan notices, but if you always focus on this what is the point of even watching? Wasting like 10h per season just to say its crap(when you already know it will fail at the points u expect it to fail).

In fact i was one of the biggest haters of the show when it first started and now i organize watch parties at home lol...

GRRM is split between so many projects I'm starting to doubt he finishes the story in his lifetime ( I really don't see how its even possible to do it in 2000 pages ). Not even gonna buy "Blood and Fire" before he finishes the story ... just cba starting another fantasy story that hasn't been finished yet, already have enough of that plus Tool's album so that's plenty.

Anyway back to GoT - so Jaime should probably die in the battle and Arya probably gonna use his face to kill Cersei later on, which would fulfill the prophecies for both of them

Also there is probably some "masterplan" in place by Bran for the battle, which we're not aware of the kind of like the one in the battle of Blackwater with Tyrion (except in that one there were plenty of actions that hinted at it), thats the only thing I could find plausible to make up for the "hurr durr im the world's memory" bullshit.

Also I think they are overplaying the battle by shittons. Best case scenario - the dead are around 100-120k, while Daenerys's army is around 220-250k ALONE, excluding the North and everyone else, making the total around 350 to 400k vs 120k dead. I get that most of the dead soldiers become a part of the army of the dead, but even if they get to burn like 30% of their own bodies and with the 4 to 1 advantage, they should be pretty fine. Question is, is the Iron Fleet travelling to fuck em up after that already? Cersei was not shown once in the previous episode, that's not something uncommon for GoT, but it does raise some questions since there are 4 episodes left and every time a main character was not in the episode, that episode was a bigass battle or some major event, which in this case it wasn't

P.S. How was WW S2 shit.. everything was pretty well thought out of

lol what do you mean they are overplaying the battle? it has been an 8 season long build up for the battle

On April 24 2019 08:10 Zografa wrote: Westworld 2nd season went full retard - Nolan needed to take 5-6 years maybe...

Episode 1 of Season 2 ruined the show for me. I didn't finish Episode 1, and I stopped watching the show after that.

Considering how popular Season 1 was, I barely saw any HBO promotion for Season 2 after the first episode.

On April 24 2019 23:06 Baalim wrote: lol what do you mean they are overplaying the battle? it has been an 8 season long build up for the battle

I mean that the dead are not that big of a threat because their numbers are super low. Obviously shittons of people will die since.. its still gonna be sketchy but Westeros isn't under a real threat by them, there should be no way they win unless Westorosi go full retard. Still gonna be epic though